B road hooning, technically illegal?
Discussion
HedgeyGedgey said:
My dads just been done for such thing. Came out of a junction, national speed limit. Floored it to get up to speed of the approaching cars, 1st, 2nd and none in 3rd. Didnt break speed limit just maybe 3secs of a burst, looked behind to see blue lights. 1 ticket for driving without reasonable consideration for others for you sir
Was that due to revving on 1st/2nd gear or because he pulled out to soon then had to floor it ?It all varies doesn't it? Down here in Somerset you can have a blast on B roads, but only so much, as you'll meet oncoming traffic at some point, or a horse, or walkers. In my teens and 20's you never met anything and could drive like Colin Mcrae. Not so now.
Is it illegal? well I'd hope not. I thrash my TVR, but if I'm within the limits and it's safe, why should I not be able to accellerate as hard as I can? Over the limit then it's a different ball game legally, and of course, I never ever drive faster than the limit :-)
Spank your GTi round the country lanes and lose it on a corner and either there is nothing there, and you need your car recovered, and the Police are none the wiser, not interested, and fairly powerless, or, you hit someone/something and then you are in legal s
t for careless/wreckless driving.
You'd think there was some kind of "overtaking speed" law, as once in a while, when I overtake in my TVR, I get flashed at by the car I overtook. Angry flashes. On straight, open, safe locations. Still baffles me.
Is it illegal? well I'd hope not. I thrash my TVR, but if I'm within the limits and it's safe, why should I not be able to accellerate as hard as I can? Over the limit then it's a different ball game legally, and of course, I never ever drive faster than the limit :-)
Spank your GTi round the country lanes and lose it on a corner and either there is nothing there, and you need your car recovered, and the Police are none the wiser, not interested, and fairly powerless, or, you hit someone/something and then you are in legal s
t for careless/wreckless driving.You'd think there was some kind of "overtaking speed" law, as once in a while, when I overtake in my TVR, I get flashed at by the car I overtook. Angry flashes. On straight, open, safe locations. Still baffles me.
RogerDodger said:
You'd think there was some kind of "overtaking speed" law, as once in a while, when I overtake in my TVR, I get flashed at by the car I overtook. Angry flashes. On straight, open, safe locations. Still baffles me.
I think a lot of drivers think being overtaken is “dangerous” and unless it’s a tractor, no one should overtake. That’s the impression I get anyway. I’ve been in cars where they’ve overtaken on similar roads you’ve mentioned, cars doing around 40 and they’ve gone past at 60 and got similar reactions. That’s single carriageway A roads just to clarify. I suppose as well there’s a varied amount of types of B roads in the country, so perhaps the types of roads I could be thinking of are completely different to someone else. There’s extremely few B roads I know of near me that an overtake is anything other than dumb. In my opinion anyway.
Not all B-roads are alike. I live near a B-road which, in the space of 2-3 miles, has
- a residential road with a 30mph speed limit, cars parked either side, a primary school and a small hospital.
- two farms with HGVs coming-and-going, often pulling out in front of cars and expecting them to brake.
- a nice long straight with no obstructions either side for about a mile where most of the overtaking area is chevroned out
- 90 degree turns with opposite camber (see the odd car that hasn't made it!)
- narrow twisty bits with constant elevation changes.
So... some parts are ripe for a safe and legal hoon, other parts are ripe for getting up speed that would have BRAKE placing a fatwah on your head, and other parts are unsafe even at 30mph in good conditions - hoon on those and you're asking for trouble.
The old chestnut of "drive to the road and the conditions" is, as always, a safe bet.
- a residential road with a 30mph speed limit, cars parked either side, a primary school and a small hospital.
- two farms with HGVs coming-and-going, often pulling out in front of cars and expecting them to brake.
- a nice long straight with no obstructions either side for about a mile where most of the overtaking area is chevroned out
- 90 degree turns with opposite camber (see the odd car that hasn't made it!)
- narrow twisty bits with constant elevation changes.
So... some parts are ripe for a safe and legal hoon, other parts are ripe for getting up speed that would have BRAKE placing a fatwah on your head, and other parts are unsafe even at 30mph in good conditions - hoon on those and you're asking for trouble.
The old chestnut of "drive to the road and the conditions" is, as always, a safe bet.
HedgeyGedgey said:
Its 500bhp and 4inch off the turbo no silencers or boxes, so I presume it was the noise
Noise makes you ripe for a section 59. A friend got one because a traffic officer dealing with another car heard him booting it up a 50 road a few streets away and pulled him over when he drove past them. Dr Jekyll said:
Why can't you enjoy the countryside while keeping up with the traffic?
Because I always watch the traffic in front of me, including the car in front of the car in front. You never know when someone is going to do something unexpected so I maintain full concentration.It's difficult to do this and take in the countryside.
If I have a large space in front of me I have ample time to glance at the road ahead and react if necessary, whilst still looking to the left and right at the scenery.
ValleyRed said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Why can't you enjoy the countryside while keeping up with the traffic?
Because I always watch the traffic in front of me, including the car in front of the car in front. You never know when someone is going to do something unexpected so I maintain full concentration.It's difficult to do this and take in the countryside.
If I have a large space in front of me I have ample time to glance at the road ahead and react if necessary, whilst still looking to the left and right at the scenery.
Dr Jekyll said:
ValleyRed said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Why can't you enjoy the countryside while keeping up with the traffic?
Because I always watch the traffic in front of me, including the car in front of the car in front. You never know when someone is going to do something unexpected so I maintain full concentration.It's difficult to do this and take in the countryside.
If I have a large space in front of me I have ample time to glance at the road ahead and react if necessary, whilst still looking to the left and right at the scenery.
ValleyRed said:
You make it up as you go along, don't you. I said "If I have a large space in front of me I have ample time to glance at the road ahead and react if necessary". How do you read that as not concentrating?
Because you aren't looking at the road. You wouldn't do that at the legal limit so why do it while 'dawdling'?Dr Jekyll said:
Ron99 said:
Sometimes I'm dawdling and enjoying the countryside
This is the kind of driving I have a problem with.
Hard luck then because like today from 7am to mid-day I drove many many miles at a modest pace in a lovely V8 convertible enjoying the fresh air sunshine & scenery. Yes I admit it there were a couple of times when I gave it a thrashing when the road was nice & clear.This is the kind of driving I have a problem with.
Whilst I did not intentionally hold up others there was no way the pimply oik in a beaten up old Corsa, the flash 'arry in a Porsche or the van with carpets full of kids & bad tempered parents rushing last minute to the seaside, all momentarily sniffing my exhaust pipe were going to make me drive differently. This was all after about11am because it seems most people are too darned lazy to get up, which of course is wonderful leaving the roads to be enjoyed for the early-birds.
JonDerz said:
Dr Jekyll said:
He lost control going into a B road bend too fast after an overtake, ended up blocking the road and a motorcyclist coming the other way was seriously injured. 10ps was charged with dangerous driving with the prosecution presenting not just the loss of control as evidence but also the testimony of the driver overtaken 'driving like a lunatic engine screaming etc etc' and some social media posts 10ps had made previously that could be interpreted as declaring an intention to drive recklessly. 10ps pleaded guilty and got prison time. He put his account of events on here, it's well worth reading and he did want other people to learn from it, though he did end up getting a bit sanctimonious and seems to have disappeared from PH.
Thanks for sharing, I will see if I can dig anything up from a search.EDIT: I found his prison diary thread but his post has been deleted, I’m guessing that’s the thread you’re referring to?
Edited by JonDerz on Sunday 21st April 14:36
JonDerz said:
GetCarter said:
O/P... I got rid of my old 420 bhp s3 because I felt it was too fast to enjoy on the road and boring to be honest (not exactly renowned for their chassis experience).
I traded my last ZZR1400 hyperbike for a much slower Z1000 (naked) for the same reason. 125bhp on a bike is ample for me now. 200bhp+ in super slick fairing meant prison or hole in the ground. Both to be avoided at all costs methinks! Riley Blue said:
No, it's your turn. 
Lol well I think it’s important to point out we’re talking about roads with a vast amount of familiarity. As unfamiliar roads are a different matter and I would completely agree with your point, although I wouldn’t want to hoon on an unfamiliar road in the day personally. I also make the assumption you believe hooning in the day is more appropriate rather than the belief than any form of spirited driving at all.So based on those assumptions, I disagree
. I’ve spent the majority of the last 12 years driving B roads and country roads (ex lived out in the sticks) so my opinion is based upon that experience and the opinions of people I know that live in the rural locations I drive.Spirited driving in the day presents a whole host of hazards. Vast amount more cars, walkers, cyclists, horses, tractors etc. At night, those potentials are drastically reduced. A lot less traffic, I haven’t ever come across a tractor at night or horse riders. I can count the number of people walking at night on one hand. All have been in 30 or 40 limited residential areas going to/from the pub. I have never come across a cyclist on these roads at night. I have come across numerous unlit cyclists on the road on urban roads. You could argue animals but the only ones I’ve came across that would cause an issue is baby deer running across the road and that was once so very unlikely. At night you can see headlights lighting up the road etc before you enter the corners. Of all the petrolheads I know (and the rural ones), all go for spirited drives at night, not in the day.
Perhaps it’s different where you are I’m not sure
.Thesprucegoose said:
the sun brings the dheads out.
Up until that, it’s been a well mannered and constructive thread. Personally, I would consider the person booting it around with not a care in the world a dheads out.head. The answer to my original question was answered in the 1st reply. Everything else is merely constructive debate. If you have anything constructive to add then by all means, do so. If not, maybe find another thread to make such remarks. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff