85 in a 70 mobile van - Rant and Questions
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Years ago when I was young and dumb I got done for 98 on the A1 in Yorkshire. It was a fair cop who told my, "keep it below 80 son and we'll leave you alone" I've took that advice and its worked up until now.
I was traveling past York last weekend on the section of the A1. It was still the 2 lane part with the odd junction and some dizzy woman with no sense of speed pulled out causing me to brake hard and bail into lane 1 to avoid hitting her side on. Now down to about 30mph on a NSL I booted it to get back up to speed. Clear road ahead now obviously. Comes round a slight bend to be met with two cars up ahead doing 50 ish, one up the others chuff not happy about being slowed down. Then I saw the mobile camera van. CCRRRRAAAAAAPPP! Seems I hit 85 on the way back up, fair dos I should have been watching the speedo and not using a large range of swear words at dizzy woman driver. Really hoping I get offered a SAC as I'd like to keep my clean license.
Anyway before I get a cool stary bra, to the point...
WTF camera vans on motorways! Come on thats not playing fair. Was a sunny clear day and light traffic too.
Q1: How do you lot avoid this? By the time you see them they've got you. I'd be happy to stick to 70 but no other drivers do. I tired on the 100 mile trip back home and it was comical getting irate OAPs in Micras and Aygo's up my rear end and anything German going past me like I wasn't moving.
Q2: Do I have to tell ins co about a SAC and if I do will they screw me over. I've googled it and its conflicting advice. Its not a conviction so some sources say no, other's say if you don't ins co can void your policy. As I recall I only was asked about convictions.
Q3: Apparently google maps now warns drivers of mobile units (thanks google) but can you have that working all the time or only when your using it as a sat nav?
I was traveling past York last weekend on the section of the A1. It was still the 2 lane part with the odd junction and some dizzy woman with no sense of speed pulled out causing me to brake hard and bail into lane 1 to avoid hitting her side on. Now down to about 30mph on a NSL I booted it to get back up to speed. Clear road ahead now obviously. Comes round a slight bend to be met with two cars up ahead doing 50 ish, one up the others chuff not happy about being slowed down. Then I saw the mobile camera van. CCRRRRAAAAAAPPP! Seems I hit 85 on the way back up, fair dos I should have been watching the speedo and not using a large range of swear words at dizzy woman driver. Really hoping I get offered a SAC as I'd like to keep my clean license.
Anyway before I get a cool stary bra, to the point...
WTF camera vans on motorways! Come on thats not playing fair. Was a sunny clear day and light traffic too.
Q1: How do you lot avoid this? By the time you see them they've got you. I'd be happy to stick to 70 but no other drivers do. I tired on the 100 mile trip back home and it was comical getting irate OAPs in Micras and Aygo's up my rear end and anything German going past me like I wasn't moving.
Q2: Do I have to tell ins co about a SAC and if I do will they screw me over. I've googled it and its conflicting advice. Its not a conviction so some sources say no, other's say if you don't ins co can void your policy. As I recall I only was asked about convictions.
Q3: Apparently google maps now warns drivers of mobile units (thanks google) but can you have that working all the time or only when your using it as a sat nav?
I got nabbed in similar circumstances on an A/M road. Guy pulled in front of me as I was about to pass him in lane 2, he'd come from lane 1. Too much traffic to brake hard safely so as there was room I pulled into lane 3 and accelerated past until clear then moved over to lane 1.
Camera van up ahead got me at 85 in lane 1 as I was slowing. OK I didn't think it all through, I'm not perfect, I just wanted to safely get past the badly driven SUV.
3pts 100 pounds.
If it's been a while since your last offence so hopefully you'll get a SAC and avoid points. Unfortunately some insurance companies ask if you have been on a SAC and you are supposed to be honest. I know Admiral do, as getting caught a few years ago actually saved me money as I had been with the Admiral for ages.
Come renewal and with them bumping up my premium thanks to the SAC, I looked around and got a good policy at a far cheaper premium, which has stayed low to this very day.
Camera van up ahead got me at 85 in lane 1 as I was slowing. OK I didn't think it all through, I'm not perfect, I just wanted to safely get past the badly driven SUV.
3pts 100 pounds.
If it's been a while since your last offence so hopefully you'll get a SAC and avoid points. Unfortunately some insurance companies ask if you have been on a SAC and you are supposed to be honest. I know Admiral do, as getting caught a few years ago actually saved me money as I had been with the Admiral for ages.
Come renewal and with them bumping up my premium thanks to the SAC, I looked around and got a good policy at a far cheaper premium, which has stayed low to this very day.
stargazer30 said:
WTF camera vans on motorways!
I think you'll find that the A1 around York is a dual-carriageway, not a motorway. There's about half-a-dozen places between Thirsk - York where they regularly sit, some in lay-bys others on bridges, usually just after a corner so they cannot be seen until the last moment.
You only need to disclose an SAC if the insurer specifically asks for it - some do, most don't.
croyde said:
Normally it seems that traveling at up to 78mph in a 70 is ok.
The powers that be take into account car speedo inaccuracy and maybe that at motorway speeds one shouldn't be watching your speedo all the time. So there is a bit of leeway.
I was on cruise control doing a indicated 80/ sat nav 75 on the M5 a couple weeks ago in my works van. Think I caught the attentions of a battenburged X5 who came charging up behind me in lane 3.(no blues) Thought he might have been on a shout so I pulled over to lane 2 once i'd completed my move and flicked the cruise down to 75 expecting him to go on past but he came over behind me. I was coming off at the next junction about 1.5 miles away . He pulled over to Lane 1 and I pulled over to lane 1 a few cars in front of him. He came off at the junction behind me and I was expecting to get lit up, but he went all the way around and back onto the motorway. Think he deployed some scare tactics on me The powers that be take into account car speedo inaccuracy and maybe that at motorway speeds one shouldn't be watching your speedo all the time. So there is a bit of leeway.
unless he was in a hurry to get somewhere and it was called off. stargazer30 said:
Years ago when I was young and dumb I got done for 98 on the A1 in Yorkshire. It was a fair cop who told my, "keep it below 80 son and we'll leave you alone" I've took that advice and its worked up until now.
I was traveling past York last weekend on the section of the A1. It was still the 2 lane part with the odd junction and some dizzy woman with no sense of speed pulled out causing me to brake hard and bail into lane 1 to avoid hitting her side on. Now down to about 30mph on a NSL I booted it to get back up to speed. Clear road ahead now obviously. Comes round a slight bend to be met with two cars up ahead doing 50 ish, one up the others chuff not happy about being slowed down. Then I saw the mobile camera van. CCRRRRAAAAAAPPP! Seems I hit 85 on the way back up, fair dos I should have been watching the speedo and not using a large range of swear words at dizzy woman driver. Really hoping I get offered a SAC as I'd like to keep my clean license.
Anyway before I get a cool stary bra, to the point...
WTF camera vans on motorways! Come on thats not playing fair. Was a sunny clear day and light traffic too.
Q1: How do you lot avoid this? By the time you see them they've got you. I'd be happy to stick to 70 but no other drivers do. I tired on the 100 mile trip back home and it was comical getting irate OAPs in Micras and Aygo's up my rear end and anything German going past me like I wasn't moving.
I don't worry about what speed others do, I drive with my own interests in mind.I was traveling past York last weekend on the section of the A1. It was still the 2 lane part with the odd junction and some dizzy woman with no sense of speed pulled out causing me to brake hard and bail into lane 1 to avoid hitting her side on. Now down to about 30mph on a NSL I booted it to get back up to speed. Clear road ahead now obviously. Comes round a slight bend to be met with two cars up ahead doing 50 ish, one up the others chuff not happy about being slowed down. Then I saw the mobile camera van. CCRRRRAAAAAAPPP! Seems I hit 85 on the way back up, fair dos I should have been watching the speedo and not using a large range of swear words at dizzy woman driver. Really hoping I get offered a SAC as I'd like to keep my clean license.
Anyway before I get a cool stary bra, to the point...
WTF camera vans on motorways! Come on thats not playing fair. Was a sunny clear day and light traffic too.
Q1: How do you lot avoid this? By the time you see them they've got you. I'd be happy to stick to 70 but no other drivers do. I tired on the 100 mile trip back home and it was comical getting irate OAPs in Micras and Aygo's up my rear end and anything German going past me like I wasn't moving.
satrgazer30 said:
Q2: Do I have to tell ins co about a SAC and if I do will they screw me over. I've googled it and its conflicting advice. Its not a conviction so some sources say no, other's say if you don't ins co can void your policy. As I recall I only was asked about convictions.
If they ask about SACs I would tell them, if they don't ask about SAC's I wouldn't tell them.stargazer30 said:
Q3: Apparently google maps now warns drivers of mobile units (thanks google) but can you have that working all the time or only when your using it as a sat nav?
Can't help, don't use it.stargazer30 said:
Years ago when I was young and dumb I got done for 98 on the A1 in Yorkshire. It was a fair cop who told my, "keep it below 80 son and we'll leave you alone" I've took that advice and its worked up until now.
You didn't take that advice in this instance though?I'd bet if you were doing 80 indicated you probably wouldn't have got nabbed.
At the risk of stating the obvious, perhaps you need to actually follow the advice you were given?
Waze and Garmin alerts switched on EVERY journey.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. And it IS a game, a game of "how much money can we (the grey suits in charge) fleece people for."
The Police on here know it too, it just breaks their hearts to admit it because it undermines the way
they feel about their jobs. They have an understandable emotional investment that they are doing the right thing, despite the fact the serious lawbreakers in society are winning most of the time.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. And it IS a game, a game of "how much money can we (the grey suits in charge) fleece people for."
The Police on here know it too, it just breaks their hearts to admit it because it undermines the way
they feel about their jobs. They have an understandable emotional investment that they are doing the right thing, despite the fact the serious lawbreakers in society are winning most of the time.
Staying at 80 was probably good advice when policing was done by humans. Now with camera technology it’s 78 to be safe.
You really only have yourself to blame when you drive at 85, no one is forcing you. If you’ve got a car up your backside and you can’t move over at that moment, make them wait and pull over when you can.
As someone said above, there is just no point going fast these days as you’ll always come up against traffic at some point. I typically set the cruise at 76 and it seems to leave me in space most of the time and more relaxed.
You really only have yourself to blame when you drive at 85, no one is forcing you. If you’ve got a car up your backside and you can’t move over at that moment, make them wait and pull over when you can.
As someone said above, there is just no point going fast these days as you’ll always come up against traffic at some point. I typically set the cruise at 76 and it seems to leave me in space most of the time and more relaxed.
I think 85MPH is one of the silly speeds to cruise at.
Do 78MPH and you’ll get away with it. If you want to go faster, go to an indicated 95MPH. Still be 3 points but at least your getting more for your three points....
(The above is said tongue in cheek but does have elements of truth to it).
Do 78MPH and you’ll get away with it. If you want to go faster, go to an indicated 95MPH. Still be 3 points but at least your getting more for your three points....
(The above is said tongue in cheek but does have elements of truth to it).
Right brodit kit ordered for the motor and I'll check out Waze.
To clarify I don't cruise at 85. I keep it inside 70 to 80 bananas an hour as a rule, I just screwed up in this instance as I let all 212 ponies in my mountuned fiesta ST loose for a few seconds. (I am actually suprised it hit 85 in such a short sprint, even the missus thought we were going slower).
IIRC the ST has a speed warning chime setting too, might see if I can set that for 78 or the like.
To clarify I don't cruise at 85. I keep it inside 70 to 80 bananas an hour as a rule, I just screwed up in this instance as I let all 212 ponies in my mountuned fiesta ST loose for a few seconds. (I am actually suprised it hit 85 in such a short sprint, even the missus thought we were going slower).
IIRC the ST has a speed warning chime setting too, might see if I can set that for 78 or the like.
croyde said:
Normally it seems that traveling at up to 78mph in a 70 is ok.
The powers that be take into account car speedo inaccuracy and maybe that at motorway speeds one shouldn't be watching your speedo all the time. So there is a bit of leeway.
Speedo can NEVER under-read (unless you have modded something, big time), but can over-read by plus 10% plus 4kph (2.5mph). (UNECE regulation 39).The powers that be take into account car speedo inaccuracy and maybe that at motorway speeds one shouldn't be watching your speedo all the time. So there is a bit of leeway.
Having said that, modern speedometers over-read by only a few mph.
Edited by Pica-Pica on Saturday 18th May 15:23
Personally, on busy roads, I tend to keep within 10%+-2, and also use Waze and hope someone has reported said speed camera vans on the app (I've never seen one that hasn't been reported), which you also shows you your true speed via GPS.
A clear sunny day is the most likely time the SCV's will be out because they like clear days for their cameras. Personally I find it pointless speeding on the motorway anymore, too much risk with all the cameras about, much less risk of being caught on a nice back road.
Find it odd that you say you were advised to keep it to below 80 and have followed that advice yet got clocked at 85, so clearly not following that advice.
A clear sunny day is the most likely time the SCV's will be out because they like clear days for their cameras. Personally I find it pointless speeding on the motorway anymore, too much risk with all the cameras about, much less risk of being caught on a nice back road.
Find it odd that you say you were advised to keep it to below 80 and have followed that advice yet got clocked at 85, so clearly not following that advice.
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