85 in a 70 mobile van - Rant and Questions

85 in a 70 mobile van - Rant and Questions

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anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Durzel said:
At the point you've seen them, registered it in your mind, applied the brakes or eased off, they've almost certainly seen and pinged you. They have the advantage of being prepared.
I have always thought that. But I've had two instances where I might have possibly very maybe but likely not going slightly above 70MPH when I had spotted a van in the distance and chucked the anchors on.

Both times I was convinced I was going to get a ticket if they had clocked me at the same moment I saw them. But both times nothing.

I'm far more sensible now... I use Waze...

thecremeegg

1,952 posts

202 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Waze ftw! Saved me many a point on my weekly trip into London on the A3!

Kewy

1,462 posts

93 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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So said:
Funky Squirrel said:
Waze is great although you still need to be careful on less traveled roads as it it peer updated
Having used Waze in Italy last year I do wonder whether some people report cameras where there are none, to slow people down through their villages.
Literally got back from a Euro road trip yesterday, with a lot of miles done in Italy and this is 100% the case.

However, I never speed through towns/villages regardless of what country I'm in so I don't really have a problem with it. Kind of a win win feature from that point of view!

QuattroDave

1,461 posts

127 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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littleredrooster said:
stargazer30 said:
WTF camera vans on motorways!
I think you'll find that the A1 around York is a dual-carriageway, not a motorway.

There's about half-a-dozen places between Thirsk - York where they regularly sit, some in lay-bys others on bridges, usually just after a corner so they cannot be seen until the last moment.

You only need to disclose an SAC if the insurer specifically asks for it - some do, most don't.
They now use camera vans sat on bridges over the M27. So far only seen them on two different bridges but they do use them on the motorway, someone in my team will attest to that!

A few days after they extended the 50mph zone on the M27 a camera van positioned itself a few hundred metres after the road returned to 70mph. After a few miles at 50mph I'd have imagined they'd caught a fair few people ramping up to 80mph+

I really can't be bothered with it all anymore, just not worth the hassle and stress so I barely even reach 70 these days on that motorway, they can't do you if you're not speeding! I tend to save my speed for my racing sim or track days, which somewhat wastes the car I've got but hey ho.

Kewy

1,462 posts

93 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Does anyone know if Waze still reports 'hazards' if you don't set a route? Just have the map open?

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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thecremeegg said:
Waze ftw! Saved me many a point on my weekly trip into London on the A3!
Excuse my ignorance but how does Waze help with mobile cameras; if it just notifies you of all locations where a camera might be used isn't there the potential for lots of false alarms (because usually a camera van won't actually be there?).

Conversely, if it's trying to tell you where cameras actually are at a given point in time does that mean it relies on other users notifying the presence of a device? If so that seems a bit hit and miss as you could be the first Waze user to go past a camera van after it's arrived and set-up and hence you get pinged if you're speeding.

I can see the advantages with permanent cameras - and/or average speed cameras in things like roadworks - but I'm not so sure how Waze can be effective against mobile cameras?

GreatGranny

9,097 posts

225 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Yes maybe the first person who passes may get caught but hopefully he's not speeding but will notify of the camera so subsequent users are aware.

Use it on most journeys.

Very accurate for things like cars on hard shoulders even potholes.

Also live updates so will calculate new route to avoid heavy traffic.

Saved me on a few occasions on my commute home taking me off the A1 when there's been an accident or break down blocking a lane.

Heaveho

5,279 posts

173 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Andy20vt said:
Sounds like (from the way you describe your driving) you would perhaps benefit more from improving your observation and planning ahead skills whilst driving, and also perhaps look at any possible anger management issues you have before worrying about speed camera locations.
It's exciting, life on the edge material like this that keeps PH special for me. You utterly dull specimen.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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SAS Tom said:
Doing 70 on the motorway isn’t hard..
Nor is doing 100. Or 130.

Not sure that’s the point you were trying to make though...

Kewy

1,462 posts

93 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Heaveho said:
Andy20vt said:
Sounds like (from the way you describe your driving) you would perhaps benefit more from improving your observation and planning ahead skills whilst driving, and also perhaps look at any possible anger management issues you have before worrying about speed camera locations.
It's exciting, life on the edge material like this that keeps PH special for me. You utterly dull specimen.
hehe

jmsgld

1,010 posts

175 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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The last 2 times I have seen a mobile camera van I have stomped on the brakes. Both times a nervous 2 weeks, but nothing materialised. I saw them both at the first possible opportunity, which perhaps improved my chances. Good observation is a must when speeding, even if there weren't any vans.

I now use Waze and have had a few false alarms but no false negatives...

ging84

8,832 posts

145 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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I've spotted plenty of mobile speed cameras where i've been a touch above 80 in a 70 and 45 in a 40, none of them have ticketed me so far.
I think it a combination of a reasonably generous margin, they not being likely to clock you before you've seen them if you're spotting them quickly enough, and them not staying in once place particularly long and often being in the process of setting up or shutting down when you see them.

Heaveho

5,279 posts

173 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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ging84 said:
I've spotted plenty of mobile speed cameras where i've been a touch above 80 in a 70 and 45 in a 40, none of them have ticketed me so far.
I think it a combination of a reasonably generous margin, they not being likely to clock you before you've seen them if you're spotting them quickly enough, and them not staying in once place particularly long and often being in the process of setting up or shutting down when you see them.
Other half got done in January for 80 in a 70 ( North Yorks, natch ). Mobile at Knaresborough above the A1. Crime of the fking century. She's on the run now obviously, way too serious to contemplate owning up to! They offered her a speed awareness course, which surprised her, she had always assumed the S stood for sanctimony. They got a pass on that, she took the hit. No criticisms from me, I'd do the same on a clean license.

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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GreatGranny said:
Yes maybe the first person who passes may get caught but hopefully he's not speeding but will notify of the camera so subsequent users are aware.
So once someone has notified other users of the presence of a camera van how does it get deleted again (to avoid false alarms) when the van moves on; does it rely on a subsequent user passing the location and, seeing no van, notifying accordingly?

Julian Thompson

2,490 posts

237 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Heaveho said:
ging84 said:
I've spotted plenty of mobile speed cameras where i've been a touch above 80 in a 70 and 45 in a 40, none of them have ticketed me so far.
I think it a combination of a reasonably generous margin, they not being likely to clock you before you've seen them if you're spotting them quickly enough, and them not staying in once place particularly long and often being in the process of setting up or shutting down when you see them.
Other half got done in January for 80 in a 70 ( North Yorks, natch ). Mobile at Knaresborough above the A1. Crime of the fking century. She's on the run now obviously, way too serious to contemplate owning up to! They offered her a speed awareness course, which surprised her, she had always assumed the S stood for sanctimony. They got a pass on that, she took the hit. No criticisms from me, I'd do the same on a clean license.
The old man did the same. 27 in a 20 or something along those lines. The insurance broker lad tried to explain that doing the course was best for the premium. Dad paused and lowered his glasses - “Young man, I appreciate you trying to help us keep the costs down. Thank you. But I’ve got to tell you that I’ve been driving safely for over fifty years and I’m very much aware of my speed, already. I’m seventy five now, and according to the bible I should have been dead for several years already. I don’t, therefore, have time to be patronised and would prefer to accept my punishment as is as quickly as possible.”

Got to love the old boys!

Heaveho

5,279 posts

173 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Julian Thompson said:
The old man did the same. 27 in a 20 or something along those lines. The insurance broker lad tried to explain that doing the course was best for the premium. Dad paused and lowered his glasses - “Young man, I appreciate you trying to help us keep the costs down. Thank you. But I’ve got to tell you that I’ve been driving safely for over fifty years and I’m very much aware of my speed, already. I’m seventy five now, and according to the bible I should have been dead for several years already. I don’t, therefore, have time to be patronised and would prefer to accept my punishment as is as quickly as possible.”

Got to love the old boys!
Yep, I'd call that declining with dignity, and applaud him for it.

Pit Pony

8,268 posts

120 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Heaveho said:
Other half got done in January for 80 in a 70 ( North Yorks, natch ). Mobile at Knaresborough above the A1. Crime of the fking century. She's on the run now obviously, way too serious to contemplate owning up to! They offered her a speed awareness course, which surprised her, she had always assumed the S stood for sanctimony. They got a pass on that, she took the hit. No criticisms from me, I'd do the same on a clean license.
Yeah. I was given 3 points. About 6 weeks after going on.the course

All gone now
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anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 21st May 2019
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Heaveho said:
Andy20vt said:
Sounds like (from the way you describe your driving) you would perhaps benefit more from improving your observation and planning ahead skills whilst driving, and also perhaps look at any possible anger management issues you have before worrying about speed camera locations.
It's exciting, life on the edge material like this that keeps PH special for me. You utterly dull specimen.
Life on the edge - what's your idea of that mate? Watching paint dry? I'm sorry but the OP sounds like he has some serious issues with his driving that could do with some extra training. That way it won't be a surprise when someone pulls out in front of him and he won't feel the need to mouth of at a stranger to make up for his lack of observation and forward planning. Aside from the road rage issues, if he is going to go around speeding then he may as well do it with the skills and observation to back this up rather than erratic speed being some sort of release of his anger and frustration.

Heaveho

5,279 posts

173 months

Tuesday 21st May 2019
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Andy20vt said:
Life on the edge - what's your idea of that mate? Watching paint dry? I'm sorry but the OP sounds like he has some serious issues with his driving that could do with some extra training. That way it won't be a surprise when someone pulls out in front of him and he won't feel the need to mouth of at a stranger to make up for his lack of observation and forward planning. Aside from the road rage issues, if he is going to go around speeding then he may as well do it with the skills and observation to back this up rather than erratic speed being some sort of release of his anger and frustration.
Sadly, I have to watch paint dry. I'm a decorator, so it comes with the territory. My previous post still stands, all you're now doing is reinforcing the contents of it.

If you never do anything wrong, criticise the op all you like. But let's face it, you, like all of us, do things that are wrong. So don't be a hypocrite. It just makes you an easy and deserving target for people like me.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 21st May 2019
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I'll just leave this here. From 1 March this year.


Andy20vt said:
So I have received a NIP from a police camera van for doing 41 in a 30 limit.

The problem is that I think the camera could well be wrong as I looked at the speedometer immediately after spotting the camera van and remember doing mid 30's. 41mph seems excessive and is the difference between receiving points and being offered a speed awareness course.

There was also another vehicle not too far ahead of me between my vehicle and the camera van at the time, possibly obscuring park of my vehicle from the camera van. Could this have impacted on an accurate speed reading at all? Should I be concerned about this?

Obviously if the camera is accurate and the measurement has been taken correctly then it's a fair cop and I will obviously pay up, but how for my own peace of mind should I go about checking/challenging this and raising these concerns with the police?