Worth reporting this 'driver'?

[Jasey_]

VeeFource said:

Jasey_ said:

If you're doing 60 you aren't obeying the 2 second rule from that still.

I suspect if you were to submit your footage there's a fair chance you would be be as likely to be charged as white van knobber.

Forget it and get on with your life

The van originally in front with the high vis had braked just before the in the white van tried to cut in which made things even worse.

I agree I should just move on given the even more insane things that go on out there. It just really winds me up the way some people think they can bully their way past everyone else because they think they are more important. It would be more forgivable if they were just plain thick (seems likely based on a couple of comments on here).

One guy further up said he thought I was jealous he got in front of me. I can assure him it was either that or he would have driven into me, or I'd have gone up the back of the high vis van. There's no way you can stand your ground with idiots like that without becoming an idiot yourself.

That steering wheel attendant will come unstuck one day..

Karma will visit white van cock soon enough.

There really is no point getting involved with s like that.

When I was younger I used to do all sort to tail gaters - now I just let them past and let them become someone else's problem

[meatballs]

Takes about 5 mins to report it on the website, probably nothing will come of it, but you might feel better and can move on with your life.

You never know the van driver may have a history of this behaviour.

https://www.nextbase.com/en-gb/national-dash-cam-s...

[lyonspride]

Someone tried this stunt on me once, what they failed to realise is that tall does not equal invulnerable. RIP lamppost.

Edited by lyonspride on Friday 19th July 21:49

[Red Devil]

VeeFource said:

Is it worth reporting this sort of thing and submitting the footage, i.e. when someone has deliberately driven dangerously, or would the police not find this worthy of attention?

Entirely up to you whether to do so.
The link has already been posted above.
The location is in the West Midlands Police area.

One thing to consider. You state you were doing 60mph.
If it was the case in that frame there is no way you're 2 seconds back from the Motorway Maintenance van.

Flumpo said:

Can you not post the video?

If the OP is going to take this further, no. See the FAQ link above.
It would be advisable to delete the pic from here as well.

Trevor555 said:

I think some people have been harsh on the OP.

If that van driver did that to an unmarked Police car what do you all think would happen?

^^This^^

[Drive Blind]

part and parcel of modern driving IMO

if there is an empty lane to your left, if you don't want to use it somebody else will.

[VeeFource]

Red Devil said:

VeeFource said:

Is it worth reporting this sort of thing and submitting the footage, i.e. when someone has deliberately driven dangerously, or would the police not find this worthy of attention?

Entirely up to you whether to do so.
The link has already been posted above.
The location is in the West Midlands Police area.

One thing to consider. You state you were doing 60mph.
If it was the case in that frame there is no way you're 2 seconds back from the Motorway Maintenance van.

Flumpo said:

Can you not post the video?

If the OP is going to take this further, no. See the FAQ link above.
It would be advisable to delete the pic from here as well.

Trevor555 said:

I think some people have been harsh on the OP.

If that van driver did that to an unmarked Police car what do you all think would happen?

^^This^^

As mentioned earlier, the high vis van braked just before the idiot decided to pull in anyway which made his manoeuvre even more ludicrous. So the gap had reduced from 2 seconds but then that's why you're supposed to leave that gap.

I think maybe the idiot had decided I was hogging the lane because I'd maintained a 2-3 second gap previously but then that was important given he was so close to the back of me. Either that or he's just a total imbecile.

I think I'll just leave it now. He'll get his comeuppance one day and my misses is getting fed up of me being hung up on it.

[Caterhamfan]

VeeFource said:

I wanted to overtake, but there are no more lanes to the right. Are you saying the solution to me wanting to go faster is to move to the left?

In my experience - yes, very much so. I usually find that sticking to the lefthand/nearside lane(s) gets me along the road more quickly than the people queuing up in the outside lanes or constantly switching lanes when traffic is heavy

[Lindun]

Lindun said:

VeeFource said:

Just thought I'd get a quick flavour of whether people thought it was a drop in the ocean or whether it's worth taking things further. Also very annoyingly my camera changed files halfway through his manouver so I'd have to splice the files together somehow and then work out how to upload it (never done that before) which is a potentially futile effort if this is deemed a non-event.

That’s OK, show us the 2 minutes before his manoeuvre

Just asking again.

[Pica-Pica]

Non-issue. Move on.

[FurtiveFreddy]

FFS.

That is all.

[anonymous-user]

Assuming this was a 70mph limit and the middle lane was clearer than the outside lane, I can see why you were undertaken if you were only doing 60mph.

Pulling in front of you seems a little unnecessary just to gain a car length though.

[ghost83]

Middle lane was clear you were hogging the outside lane which is an offence!

This sort of thing does my bonce in! Was on the A1 the other day on my way from Peterborough to West Yorkshire and the line of cars in lane 2 and lane 1 was clear for about 18 cars! I just stuck to the speed limit in lane 1 then you have numpties nearly causing accidents as they’re terrified you will get in front of them whereas if they moved into lane 1 as they should there wouldn’t be a problem!


Post the vid op but atm I think you’re both as bad as each other

[anonymous-user]

Trevor555 said:

I think some people have been harsh on the OP.

If that van driver did that to an unmarked Police car what do you all think would happen?

Surely a unmarked police car would have kept left unless overtaking which the OP did not.

[itcaptainslow]

Jasey_ said:

VeeFource said:

Jasey_ said:

If you're doing 60 you aren't obeying the 2 second rule from that still.

I suspect if you were to submit your footage there's a fair chance you would be be as likely to be charged as white van knobber.

Forget it and get on with your life

The van originally in front with the high vis had braked just before the in the white van tried to cut in which made things even worse.

I agree I should just move on given the even more insane things that go on out there. It just really winds me up the way some people think they can bully their way past everyone else because they think they are more important. It would be more forgivable if they were just plain thick (seems likely based on a couple of comments on here).

One guy further up said he thought I was jealous he got in front of me. I can assure him it was either that or he would have driven into me, or I'd have gone up the back of the high vis van. There's no way you can stand your ground with idiots like that without becoming an idiot yourself.

That steering wheel attendant will come unstuck one day..

Karma will visit white van cock soon enough.

There really is no point getting involved with s like that.

When I was younger I used to do all sort to tail gaters - now I just let them past and let them become someone else's problem

^^^This. I remember reading a quote on here that went something like "Road rage is when two dheads meet" which kind of stuck with me. I used to get really pissy when driving as a result of all sorts of behaviour, now I just cannot be bothered. It'll never end well, you'll never change someone's behaviour, so what's the point in becoming involved with them? Just let them bugger off and be a knob somewhere else. It's the easiest way to a less stressful, more enjoyable, potentially much less expensive journey, which quite frankly, is the main thing I'm after.

I've also found I'm much less likely to become involved in getting uptight with someone if I've left ten minutes earlier, so I'm not time pressured.

So in response to the OP, no, I wouldn't report it. Just get on with your day, karma will catch up with him eventually.

A dash cam's only use should be as a "black box" in the event of a collision/incident, not to routinely download and post footage on the internet or grass people up IMO.

[VeeFource]

ghost83 said:

Middle lane was clear you were hogging the outside lane which is an offence!

What on earth are you on about? If the middle lane is clear AND the outside lane was also clear in front of me, only then would I be hogging. I was travelling at the same speed as the vehicle in front of me with the intention of wanting to travel slightly faster. It's called being in a queue and by the sounds of it, you're as bad as the van driver if that's your logic of how roads work.

Moving into the left lane is not going to get me going faster is it, unless you're advocating doing it to undertake people which is an offence.

[anonymous-user]

FurtiveFreddy said:

FFS.

That is all.

Sums it up nicely for me.

[Some Gump]

VeeFource said:

Don't really see why he should be let past? I'm wanting to travel faster just as he and everyone else is in that queue, but God knows why he thinks he has more of a right to do so than the vehicles queuing in front of him.

Ahh, the cause of a lot of pain for a certain subset of cyclists, and more recently dashcammers.

Sometimes, you have to make decisions on the road. Sometimes, you have to decide on whether being "right" or being safe takes priority. Happens every journey at roundabouts - people pulling out ahead of you. Do you slow down, or crash? This is easy to choose. What about when you have right of way but matey boy in the white Q7 decides to barrel on regardless? Pick confrontation or let some tit with a lease "win"

Imo this is exactly your scenario. Bellend behind being a bellend. You can choose to either avoid the aggro, pull in and get.on with your journey with less stress, (but that lets him "win" because he's bullied you out of the queue), or you can keep to principle of being right, and he stays behind you.
Now, you've had double aggro because not only did he stress you out in the first place, but he also won with the undertake. Now you want to tell the referee because you didn't want to lose. Also he's an ahole.

What you need to do is remember that the game has no prize. That victory or defeat is worth literally zero. When you get aggressive bellends like this just let them through, let them get on with it and pile their misery somewhere else. It makes no measurable difference to your day.

What led me to this zen like view? I got fat a few years ago and started road cycling. Every other ride i have the choice of being in the right but bleeding, having a massive argument about it, or just rolling my eyes and enjoying my day. I tried the 2nd option once, but the bloke was a fking idiot so it was a waste of time. I'm yet to try the first option but i'm never that fond of bleeding so will probably avoid it.

Tl;dr? Bellends will always be bellends. Just let them get on with it.

[meatballs]

ghost83 said:

Middle lane was clear you were hogging the outside lane which is an offence!

This sort of thing does my bonce in! Was on the A1 the other day on my way from Peterborough to West Yorkshire and the line of cars in lane 2 and lane 1 was clear for about 18 cars! I just stuck to the speed limit in lane 1 then you have numpties nearly causing accidents as they’re terrified you will get in front of them whereas if they moved into lane 1 as they should there wouldn’t be a problem!


Post the vid op but atm I think you’re both as bad as each other

You move left and stick to the speed limit until you get to the cause of the queue then your magical abilities allow you to do what? Force into the queue to get past it? Some may consider that undertaking. Wait for the queue to go past then move over? Sit behind the obstruction until the end of time?

[VeeFource]

Some Gump said:

Ahh, the cause of a lot of pain for a certain subset of cyclists, and more recently dashcammers.

Sometimes, you have to make decisions on the road. Sometimes, you have to decide on whether being "right" or being safe takes priority. Happens every journey at roundabouts - people pulling out ahead of you. Do you slow down, or crash? This is easy to choose. What about when you have right of way but matey boy in the white Q7 decides to barrel on regardless? Pick confrontation or let some tit with a lease "win"

Imo this is exactly your scenario. Bellend behind being a bellend. You can choose to either avoid the aggro, pull in and get.on with your journey with less stress, (but that lets him "win" because he's bullied you out of the queue), or you can keep to principle of being right, and he stays behind you.
Now, you've had double aggro because not only did he stress you out in the first place, but he also won with the undertake. Now you want to tell the referee because you didn't want to lose. Also he's an ahole.

What you need to do is remember that the game has no prize. That victory or defeat is worth literally zero. When you get aggressive bellends like this just let them through, let them get on with it and pile their misery somewhere else. It makes no measurable difference to your day.

What led me to this zen like view? I got fat a few years ago and started road cycling. Every other ride i have the choice of being in the right but bleeding, having a massive argument about it, or just rolling my eyes and enjoying my day. I tried the 2nd option once, but the bloke was a fking idiot so it was a waste of time. I'm yet to try the first option but i'm never that fond of bleeding so will probably avoid it.

Tl;dr? Bellends will always be bellends. Just let them get on with it.

As a cyclist and motorcyclist I have absolutely no issues with letting them past if I'm in a car, which after all is taking up the entire lane so I can enjoy the comfort of heating and air con etc. So I will always move over to let them past.

What I do have an issue with however, is people (in a lane filling vehicle) thinking they have more of a right to be in front of others whom were there before they were, even though those people are also in the same position of wanting to travel faster.

I understand your point of better to be safe than right which is the only reason my car is still in one piece. But surely if everyone makes life easy for these morons then they'll be more inclined to do it and more will join them in thinking they can freely take advantage of everyone else trying to get somewhere.

The reason I created this post was I was unsure where to draw the line on whether to do something about it. If he had an NIP land in his pigeon hole at work then he might think twice about doing something like that again. But as ever there are bigger fish for the police to fry and hopefully karma will get him one day.

Edited by VeeFource on Saturday 20th July 08:15

[Pica-Pica]

VeeFource said:

The reason I created this post was I was unsure where to draw the line on whether to do something about it. If he had an NIP land in his pigeon hole at work then he might think twice about doing something like that again. But as ever there are bigger fish for the police to fry and hopefully karma will get him one day.

..but you are getting dragged into an ever escalating situation. You want to punish him, to police him, and you want to report him. Then you will want to follow up and see what happened to him. If that succeeds, you will want to again, you may even move closer to provoking others so you can ‘dash cam’ them. Then everyone becomes an aggressive driver, and you become even more a ‘victim’ and wanting to settle scores. There are no winners in that race. How will it end? You get stressed, he may get more aggressive, you up the stakes. There is only one answer ‘Kenneth Noye’. You don’t have to feel ‘weak and submissive’ if you pull back - if you think like that you will either be weak, or aggressive. You could instead just relax, and let him go. He may have just made a mistake and realise it, he may be an aggressive type, you will not change that by escalating.
I have been there too. I have had altercations, I have had “getting out of the car and squaring up’ situations. I have even ripped someone’s keys from their ignition, as they wound down the window in their ‘innocence’. That was several years ago, and it ruins your day completely and absolutely.
Breathe in, breath out...let it go.