1500W E-Bike. You’re nicked.

[Pizzaeatingking]

speedking31 said:

The bike in the photo has pedals

But it's 5x more powerful than the law allows.



I've always fancied a Uni Moke, bit pricey but they look so cool! In reality I wanna use my bike to get fit but I can see the attraction of an electric bike for commuting etc.

https://urbandrivestyle.com/

[Tiggsy]

It's a joke this EBike stuff. Want an Ebike? buy a regular bike.

While you're at it - want a car...get a horse. Want a house....live under a bridge. Want the internet...pop down the library.

Bloody cheats.

[Retroman]

I wonder if this guy, has been caught yet and used his FMOTL defence

https://youtu.be/HIhfwjWuj-I?t=663

[Buster73]

Red 4 said:

Oh God, here we go.

Er, let me think ...The penguins and the polar bears are being robbed of their natural habitat.

Ebikes need to be recharged and use the planet's valuable natural resources.

Want a bike ? Get pedalling.

Where I live is at the bottom of a steep incline regardless of which way I turn I have to pedal uphill.

I’ve got a dodgy hip , and right knee that when pedalling from cold can give me enough pain that sometimes I have to return home sharpish.

I bought an Orbea gain earlier in the summer , a little bit of assistance uphill has made a world of difference to me.

I’m going out more , doing many more miles but without any pain so far.

Get pedalling? , I am and doing more than before .

Alternatively I do a lot less or worse pack it in for good.

Don’t knock electric bikes without thinking of the real benefit to users.

[Castrol for a knave]

Retroman said:

I wonder if this guy, has been caught yet and used his FMOTL defence

https://youtu.be/HIhfwjWuj-I?t=663

That thing is lethal - knobbly tyres, bars too narrow so the front is unweighted and that head angle must make it twitch like a Scouser on rent day.

[V1nce Fox]

Retroman said:

I wonder if this guy, has been caught yet and used his FMOTL defence

https://youtu.be/HIhfwjWuj-I?t=663

[shovelheadrob]

Buster73 said:

Where I live is at the bottom of a steep incline regardless of which way I turn I have to pedal uphill.

I’ve got a dodgy hip , and right knee that when pedalling from cold can give me enough pain that sometimes I have to return home sharpish.

I bought an Orbea gain earlier in the summer , a little bit of assistance uphill has made a world of difference to me.

I’m going out more , doing many more miles but without any pain so far.

Get pedalling? , I am and doing more than before .

Alternatively I do a lot less or worse pack it in for good.

Don’t knock electric bikes without thinking of the real benefit to users.

/\ /\ this is much the same reason I'm considering getting an e-bike conversion for our bikes, we're finding it harder to ride under certain circumstances due to age & general wear & tear on our bodies. The kit for our bikes is 1000w & will do 42mph if set up that way, I'm sure that as long as you don't ride like a dick it won't be a problem.

[the tribester]

Castrol for a knave said:

Retroman said:

I wonder if this guy, has been caught yet and used his FMOTL defence

https://youtu.be/HIhfwjWuj-I?t=663

That thing is lethal - knobbly tyres, bars too narrow so the front is unweighted and that head angle must make it twitch like a Scouser on rent day.

and the standard cable operated disc brake. What could go wrong?

The Police appear to be handing out fines and seizing e-scooters in London recently, I wonder when this chap will eventually get stopped?

[NGee]

Buster73 said:

Red 4 said:

Oh God, here we go.

Er, let me think ...The penguins and the polar bears are being robbed of their natural habitat.

Ebikes need to be recharged and use the planet's valuable natural resources.

Want a bike ? Get pedalling.

Where I live is at the bottom of a steep incline regardless of which way I turn I have to pedal uphill.

I’ve got a dodgy hip , and right knee that when pedalling from cold can give me enough pain that sometimes I have to return home sharpish.

I bought an Orbea gain earlier in the summer , a little bit of assistance uphill has made a world of difference to me.

I’m going out more , doing many more miles but without any pain so far.

Get pedalling? , I am and doing more than before .

Alternatively I do a lot less or worse pack it in for good.

Don’t knock electric bikes without thinking of the real benefit to users.

This is so true.

I had a bike but it hardly ever got used as I was always afraid of not being able to get home again.
Now I have a (legal) electric bike I can go much further than I would ever have risked before, and if my body is having a bad day I can use a bit more electric to get home. If I get to a hill I couldn't manage before, then again just a bit more electric to get to the top. By using about 20% electric I still have to use energy to pedal and get a lot more exercise than I did before, and always know I have some in reserve if required.

I get far more exercise withe the e-bike than I ever did with my normal bike.
Anyone who knocks e-bikes is either the next Tour De France winner or just doesn't understand how they work.
One of the best exercise machines on the market. Especially as you get older!

[poo at Paul's]

Retroman said:

I wonder if this guy, has been caught yet and used his FMOTL defence

https://youtu.be/HIhfwjWuj-I?t=663

Adenoidal prick nob jockey, riding like that.

[Red Devil]

Retroman said:

I wonder if this guy, has been caught yet and used his FMOTL defence

https://youtu.be/HIhfwjWuj-I?t=6

Most dangerous and unsafe bike ever? No way. See below.

citizensm1th said:

try keeping up with this homemade rocket

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3w6gKPFLk&t=...

Homemade rocket, you say... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKHz7wOjb9w

Red 4 said:

The e-bike even had a basket on the front !

Basket on the front. Yep. See above.

[okenemem]

ridiculous

[Tiggsy]

poo at Paul's said:

Retroman said:

I wonder if this guy, has been caught yet and used his FMOTL defence

https://youtu.be/HIhfwjWuj-I?t=663

Adenoidal prick nob jockey, riding like that.

I recently fitted my ebike with a dongle to allow for going over the 15mph limit - I use it to ride at 18 on the road on the 1% of time I use it on road (which suits me) and I pay a LOT of attention to what I'm doing as I appreciate an accident (my fault or not) is going to be bad (legally) - but these tools (and there is one local to me) doing 30mph plus with no peddaling, no plates, insurance - they need the book thrown at them. Will ruin ebikes for everyone. (one hopes he just meets a lampost)

[timmymagic73]

Tiggsy said:

poo at Paul's said:

Retroman said:

I wonder if this guy, has been caught yet and used his FMOTL defence

https://youtu.be/HIhfwjWuj-I?t=663

Adenoidal prick nob jockey, riding like that.

I recently fitted my ebike with a dongle to allow for going over the 15mph limit - I use it to ride at 18 on the road on the 1% of time I use it on road (which suits me) and I pay a LOT of attention to what I'm doing as I appreciate an accident (my fault or not) is going to be bad (legally) - but these tools (and there is one local to me) doing 30mph plus with no peddaling, no plates, insurance - they need the book thrown at them. Will ruin ebikes for everyone. (one hopes he just meets a lampost)

Not intending to be inflammatory, but how does your modified bike illegally ridden on the road (briefly) differ from the other rider local to you?

It's not particularly hard to manage close to 30mph downhill on a standard pushbike, I feel I'm risk assessing my own safety and my ability to avoid other road users when I do this - why can't I then ride an ebike up the next hill at nearly 30mph if I choose to? The law seems ridiculously outdated.

[RizzoTheRat]

timmymagic73 said:

It's not particularly hard to manage close to 30mph downhill on a standard pushbike, I feel I'm risk assessing my own safety and my ability to avoid other road users when I do this - why can't I then ride an ebike up the next hill at nearly 30mph if I choose to? The law seems ridiculously outdated.

There's nothing stopping you riding an e-bike down hill at 30mph either. The 25kph electric assist limit seems a pretty sensible speed to me, it's quicker than the average commuter usually cruisers around here, but not so fast that it's a big speed differential. If you want to go faster than that on electrical power it's classed as a road vehicle and needs to be MoT'd, Insured, etc

If not 25kph, where do you draw the line? Some pro cyclists are pushing 80mph on down hill sections, should the average cyclist be zooming up hills at 80mph in shorts and flipflops?

[rxe]

The whole attitude to these things is utterly broken. We want people to get out of cars, but every time some remotely innovative alternative comes along, it is banned.

As a conventional cyclist, I routinely did 30 mph, frequently doing 40 with a decent tailwind. Typical riding speed on the flat was 23 mph. Fastest ever was 60+ coming off the Col de Peyresourde in the 2007 Etape. I don’t know how fast I actually went then, the speedo wigged out above 60.

I don’t see why conventional cycling at high speed is fine, but electric cycling is not fine.

[Red 4]

rxe said:

The whole attitude to these things is utterly broken. We want people to get out of cars, but every time some remotely innovative alternative comes along, it is banned.

As a conventional cyclist, I routinely did 30 mph, frequently doing 40 with a decent tailwind. Typical riding speed on the flat was 23 mph. Fastest ever was 60+ coming off the Col de Peyresourde in the 2007 Etape. I don’t know how fast I actually went then, the speedo wigged out above 60.

I don’t see why conventional cycling at high speed is fine, but electric cycling is not fine.

Is an ebike a bicycle or a mechanically propelled vehicle ?

If a court decides it is the latter then much of The RTA applies.

ETA - if the motor exceeds 250 watts or assists in excess of 15.5 MPH then the ebike is regarded as a motor vehicle and the relevant legislation applies.

Edited by Red 4 on Monday 12th August 14:13

[sparkythecat]

rxe said:

I don’t see why conventional cycling at high speed is fine, but electric cycling is not fine.

Generally you have to be fit and focused to get to high speeds on a conventional bike and have a lot of cycling experience. You're unlikely to be as distracted and as accident prone as an occasional e-bike user

[rxe]

sparkythecat said:

Generally you have to be fit and focused to get to high speeds on a conventional bike and have a lot of cycling experience. You're unlikely to be as distracted and as accident prone as an occasional e-bike user

I would counter that truly high speed requires stuff like tri-bars, your hands are miles from the brakes and you’re generally looking at the road 10 feet in front of you because your neck is so painful....

By your logic, people who’d done track days (or maybe got a motorsport licence) would not have to obey speed limits.

[RizzoTheRat]

rxe said:

I don’t see why conventional cycling at high speed is fine, but electric cycling is not fine.

So where would you draw the line between an electric bicycle that can be ridden anywhere by anyone, and an electric motorbike that needs to have an mot and insurance?