Legal Advice regarding Car Sale

Legal Advice regarding Car Sale

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anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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''Defination
Legal rule that damages paid to the aggrieved party in a breach of contract case should be sufficient in amount to put that party in a position it would have been had the breach not occurred. ''

In an hour what damages can they honestly claim for. I think you have breached a contract and should offer a sum to cover any costs he may of inccurred, and dispute the loss of bargain costs, which i think will be very difficult to prove, considering you were offers invittions to treat to the two propective buyers.

tinnitusjosh

328 posts

72 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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cs174 said:
The claim does not include any other evidence to support the 'loss of bargain' other than essentially the WhatsApp messages and the adverts of similar cars.
I don't think he needs much more than that to be honest.

cs174 said:
Would Buyer A have had to actually purchase a similar car for £28,500 to have incurred a loss of £2000?
nope

tinnitusjosh

328 posts

72 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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Thesprucegoose said:
''Defination
Legal rule that damages paid to the aggrieved party in a breach of contract case should be sufficient in amount to put that party in a position it would have been had the breach not occurred. ''

In an hour what damages can they honestly claim for. I think you have breached a contract and should offer a sum to cover any costs he may of inccurred, and dispute the loss of bargain costs, which i think will be very difficult to prove, considering you were offers invittions to treat to the two propective buyers.
Did you read anything anyone else has posted in this thread? what you have written is absolute garbage

Integroo

11,574 posts

85 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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tinnitusjosh said:
cs174 said:
The claim does not include any other evidence to support the 'loss of bargain' other than essentially the WhatsApp messages and the adverts of similar cars.
I don't think he needs much more than that to be honest.

cs174 said:
Would Buyer A have had to actually purchase a similar car for £28,500 to have incurred a loss of £2000?
nope
With the caveat that I am not a litigator, he would have to prove actual loss. From a legal database I have access to:

Difference in value or cost of cure
"In many cases, even though the defendant has breached the contract, the claimant can pay for a third party to cure or reinstate so as to put the claimant in as good a position as if the defendant had performed. For example, the claimant might pay for repairs to rectify a breach of warranty of quality by a seller of goods, or a partial non-performance by a builder. Where already incurred by the time of trial, such a cost will be recoverable from the defendant providing it was not so unreasonable as to be a failure to mitigate and/or a break in the chain of causation.

Where the cost of cure has not been incurred at the date of trial, it will only be recoverable where incurring the cost would be "reasonable" in all the circumstances. This is because a claimant will always have a choice not to cure the problem caused by the breach. A claimant may instead, either simply live with the consequences, or use the market to offload unwanted or defective property and replace it with better property. Accordingly, in such cases, there can be two possible measures of loss:
  • The cost of curing the breach.
  • Damages for loss suffered if the cure is not undertaken (often called the "diminution in value" measure)."
The claimant must also have an intention to effect the cure.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

161 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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I reckon Vaud is a lawyer and just too ashamed to admit it.

Looks like you're going to court OP. Got to admire the stones on this fella.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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tinnitusjosh said:
Did you read anything anyone else has posted in this thread? what you have written is absolute garbage
Seems pretty fair what is garbage exactly?

Vaud

50,477 posts

155 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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FredClogs said:
I reckon Vaud is a lawyer and just too ashamed to admit it.
I'm not smile - I do some contractual negotiations but everything goes by a real lawyer first... I try to caveat that IANAL in PH posts.


meatballs

1,140 posts

60 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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Everyone knows that advertised prices are there for wiggle room. When you out something up on AT the page says something about we recommend this price advert to get the actual price of y. AFAIK it's normally about 1k so should easily be able to knock down the claimed amount by that much imo. Plus there's a huge amount of variability in used cars, especially if it's not been inspected or purchased so I would argue there could be further reductions on any of the models compared to you.

Bill

52,750 posts

255 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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If he buys one for £25k the OP's quids in. thumbup

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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''loss of bargain'' seems notoriously difficult to quantify and prove, breach of contract damages seem more easily tangible, which is why my tatic would be to make a without prejudice offer for these damages.

shake n bake

2,221 posts

207 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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The world we now live in, bizarre isn’t it.
O.P bails on an accepted offer. Buyer gets that much of a stty on at losing an agreed deal that he goes to court.
You're both knobs really but the buyer really has an axe to grind.

Integroo

11,574 posts

85 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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shake n bake said:
The world we now live in, bizarre isn’t it.
O.P bails on an accepted offer. Buyer gets that much of a stty on at losing an agreed deal that he goes to court.
You're both knobs really but the buyer really has an axe to grind.
The basic principles of contract law have been established for hundreds of years.

talksthetorque

10,815 posts

135 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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IANAL but I want to ask you a couple of questions.



What was your car advertised at?

Has the claimant give any evidence of contacting other owners of advertised vehicles to ask for a best negotiated price?






ging84

8,897 posts

146 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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I would ask buyer A this simple question.
Had the car been damaged beyond repair through no fault of your own, would he have still gone through with the purchase at the agreed price?

rallycross

12,790 posts

237 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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Integroo said:
Contracts are formed by offer and acceptance. You accepted an offer and entered into a contract. You are in breach of said contract.

Whether or not he can prove he suffered loss is another thing. If he is a dealer, then he could arguably have a claim for loss of profit. If he is an individual, he could arguably have a claim for the loss he suffered in purchasing another vehicle of similar quality at an increased price (if the agreement with you was a particularly good one).

I wouldn't laugh it off as quickly as others suggest.
Good lord how do you manage to keep coming up with such utter ste on these type of threads? Idiotic.

BertBert

19,038 posts

211 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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ging84 said:
I would ask buyer A this simple question.
Had the car been damaged beyond repair through no fault of your own, would he have still gone through with the purchase at the agreed price?
And what has that got to do with anything?

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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rallycross said:
Integroo said:
Contracts are formed by offer and acceptance. You accepted an offer and entered into a contract. You are in breach of said contract.

Whether or not he can prove he suffered loss is another thing. If he is a dealer, then he could arguably have a claim for loss of profit. If he is an individual, he could arguably have a claim for the loss he suffered in purchasing another vehicle of similar quality at an increased price (if the agreement with you was a particularly good one).

I wouldn't laugh it off as quickly as others suggest.
Good lord how do you manage to keep coming up with such utter ste on these type of threads? Idiotic.
IIRC Integroo is a lawyer so I suspect he knows what he's talking about.

I'll be interested to hear the outcome of this situation OP.

Integroo

11,574 posts

85 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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rallycross said:
Good lord how do you manage to keep coming up with such utter ste on these type of threads? Idiotic.
By knowing what I am talking about unlike you.

Muzzer79

9,953 posts

187 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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rallycross said:
Integroo said:
Contracts are formed by offer and acceptance. You accepted an offer and entered into a contract. You are in breach of said contract.

Whether or not he can prove he suffered loss is another thing. If he is a dealer, then he could arguably have a claim for loss of profit. If he is an individual, he could arguably have a claim for the loss he suffered in purchasing another vehicle of similar quality at an increased price (if the agreement with you was a particularly good one).

I wouldn't laugh it off as quickly as others suggest.
Good lord how do you manage to keep coming up with such utter ste on these type of threads? Idiotic.
You’re a lawyer too?

Lots of lawyers about today.........

ging84

8,897 posts

146 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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BertBert said:
And what has that got to do with anything?
Well if he answers no how can he claim to believe the contract was binding at that point.
If he answers yes he's a bare faced lier.