WARNING - Boring topic ! Local council road speeds

WARNING - Boring topic ! Local council road speeds

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Cyrus1971

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855 posts

238 months

Thursday 22nd August 2019
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phil4 said:
I don't believe you've said why you think 30mph is more appropriate?
There are 7 houses, 4 drives and the visibility splays (for oncoming traffic) is awful from all of them. Plus only 1 pavement exactly 35'' wide. I have been clipped by a bus wing mirror and the road is too dangerous to walk along despite said pavement. The danger is the inevitability of hitting a cyclist or car as one emerges from a drive onto the road. It's a conservation area so I have been told by the council I can't put a mirror up and in fact they take down any that get tried.

Cyrus1971

Original Poster:

855 posts

238 months

Thursday 22nd August 2019
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lyonspride said:
Zero point in a 30 limit, most people do 40 in 30 zones, especially on rural roads.

It'd be a total waste of money.
It's a good point but a fatalistic one. If this were the governing thinking on posting limits surely we would not have any ?

Cyrus1971

Original Poster:

855 posts

238 months

Thursday 22nd August 2019
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Initforthemoney said:
Thread title delivers.
yup, you were warned. And now you have gone and wasted time reading this too :-)

Initforthemoney

743 posts

143 months

Thursday 22nd August 2019
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Cyrus1971 said:
Initforthemoney said:
Thread title delivers.
yup, you were warned. And now you have gone and wasted time reading this too :-)
No I haven’t.





Oh wait....

hehe

Cyrus1971

Original Poster:

855 posts

238 months

Thursday 22nd August 2019
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donkmeister said:
I sympathise when you have tts doing 100mph+ past your front door, but from the OP it sounds like you bought a house on a 60mph THEN went about campaigning for a lower limit.

If that is the case; should road users be held up (even just -10mph for 600 metres) to increase your enjoyment of your property?

I'm seeing this attitude already on a new development near me where new residents are getting upset about speeders on the 40mph relief road, pushing for speed bumps, which would move traffic onto my (30mph old residential) road to avoid it. I woz 'ere first! biggrin
The 60 limit proceeded us buying by years. It was 40 when we bought it. It's not for the enjoyment of my property (which to use your I woz 'ere first approach was built 40 years before the invention of the internal combustion engine) It is genuinely dangerous. I can't quantify that as a word but I can qualify it. 3 times in 3 years I have nudged out in a sensible fashion and cyclysts have swerved in to oncoming on other carriageway, been hit by a bus wing mirror and had several cars going at over the limit slam on the breaks and dramatically stop 5 ft from my drivers door. It has all the ingredients of an accident to come but it seems the formula on setting limits has quite a lot of room for judgement in ti. Judgement that is set at the moment agains lowering unless 3 people get killed in one spot.

What happened to a pro-active approach ?

meatballs

1,140 posts

59 months

Thursday 22nd August 2019
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Cyrus1971 said:
The 60 limit proceeded us buying by years. It was 40 when we bought it. It's not for the enjoyment of my property (which to use your I woz 'ere first approach was built 40 years before the invention of the internal combustion engine) It is genuinely dangerous. I can't quantify that as a word but I can qualify it. 3 times in 3 years I have nudged out in a sensible fashion and cyclysts have swerved in to oncoming on other carriageway, been hit by a bus wing mirror and had several cars going at over the limit slam on the breaks and dramatically stop 5 ft from my drivers door. It has all the ingredients of an accident to come but it seems the formula on setting limits has quite a lot of room for judgement in ti. Judgement that is set at the moment agains lowering unless 3 people get killed in one spot.

What happened to a pro-active approach ?
Change your driveway so you have better visibility?

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Thursday 22nd August 2019
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Cyrus1971 said:
lyonspride said:
Zero point in a 30 limit, most people do 40 in 30 zones, especially on rural roads.

It'd be a total waste of money.
It's a good point but a fatalistic one. If this were the governing thinking on posting limits surely we would not have any ?
Why not make it a 20 limit, or maybe 10mph limit? In fact lets all stay at home.

PF62

3,575 posts

172 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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lyonspride said:
Zero point in a 30 limit, most people do 40 in 30 zones, especially on rural roads.

It'd be a total waste of money.
So the council then put in a camera to enforce and people will bleat about that.

xx99xx

1,892 posts

72 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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I had a similar-ish problem at a old house. Village.....straight road......30mph limit......most vehicles did more than 30mph.

My issue wasn't really with the speed, directly, but more about the noise and vibration of passing traffic. However the faster the speed, the more noise/vibration so lowering the speed would've helped. It would wake me up at night. The road was full of holes, cracks, badly levelled drain covers etc so all made for a very noisy road. The road also had a 7.5t vehicle weight limit but this was often ignored and the big ones were very noisy.

After a few letters, quoting various studies, I got the council highway guy out to listen/feel the problem inside and outside the house. He admitted the noise was pretty bad and noticed the cracks in the render that may have been due to the vibrations. He promptly got the road surface repaired which helped massively. I took that as a win and left it at that as I was expecting them to just say get better windows. Gave up trying to get them to enforce the weight limit and speed limit.

Anyway, maybe try going down the noise nuisance route saying how it's affecting your health (sleep deprivation), enjoyment of property etc. That's if it is noisy inside your house? Oh and get local councillors on board, they can be quite useful for certain things.

faa77

1,728 posts

70 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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Could you ask them to widen the footpath, or at least put a railing up, with a gap from the road so that a pedestrian cannot get close enough to the road to be hit by a bus wing mirror?

lyonspride

2,978 posts

154 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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Cyrus1971 said:
lyonspride said:
Zero point in a 30 limit, most people do 40 in 30 zones, especially on rural roads.

It'd be a total waste of money.
It's a good point but a fatalistic one. If this were the governing thinking on posting limits surely we would not have any ?
They do it to pay lip service, that's all. If locally you have enough OAPs (because they vote at local elections) or you have someone with friends in high places, you'd have no issue getting the limit changed, but it'd still be mostly ignored, AND in the sort of place described your bound to have at least 1 self important "individual" who drives through there at stupid speeds in his X6 and is likely to drive even worse if the limit gets changed.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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meatballs said:
Cyrus1971 said:
The 60 limit proceeded us buying by years. It was 40 when we bought it. It's not for the enjoyment of my property (which to use your I woz 'ere first approach was built 40 years before the invention of the internal combustion engine) It is genuinely dangerous. I can't quantify that as a word but I can qualify it. 3 times in 3 years I have nudged out in a sensible fashion and cyclysts have swerved in to oncoming on other carriageway, been hit by a bus wing mirror and had several cars going at over the limit slam on the breaks and dramatically stop 5 ft from my drivers door. It has all the ingredients of an accident to come but it seems the formula on setting limits has quite a lot of room for judgement in ti. Judgement that is set at the moment agains lowering unless 3 people get killed in one spot.

What happened to a pro-active approach ?
Change your driveway so you have better visibility?
Seems highly unlikely you nudged out if the cyclists had to swerve across the carriageway to avoid you. Anyway why would a 30mph limit improve the safety of cyclists you nearly hit?

livinginasia

846 posts

109 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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My god I am pleased I don’t live near you, OP, you sound like a bundle of joy! You think the limit should be reduced but you have no stats to prove it’s dangerous now or would be safer at 30, it’s people like you that are ruining this country.

Skellum

89 posts

66 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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Good Evening OP.
Perhaps you could provide your postcode so we can see this on streetview, because frankly most of this sounds like bullst.

deckster

9,630 posts

254 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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Skellum said:
Good Evening OP.
Perhaps you could provide your postcode so we can see this on streetview, because frankly most of this sounds like bullst.
Err, he's already told us where he lives, in reasonable detail. Many people on PH live in the area and know the road well, and there's very little bullst here. It's narrow, heavily trafficked, and a favourite route for the local cycling clubs. I can well believe that the OP has the kind of issues that he's described and on a regular basis.

Lemming Train

5,567 posts

71 months

Saturday 24th August 2019
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100mph past his house and wants speed limit reducing further? Déjà vu anyone? This is surely cb1965 back again under a new name.

faa77

1,728 posts

70 months

Sunday 25th August 2019
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livinginasia said:
My god I am pleased I don’t live near you, OP, you sound like a bundle of joy!
Yeah because we'd rather safety decisions be based on "joy" rolleyes

ARHarh

3,701 posts

106 months

Sunday 25th August 2019
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Why do people think speeding through villages is OK? where I live they did a survey in a local village. It was done during the day, on a Wednesday for 4 hours. 72% of traffic travelling north broke the speed limit and only 86% going south exceeded the limit. If this was happening in your pleasant little cul de sac in suburbia would you be happy about it? Yes I know they bough a house in that position and in the old days there was no limit so they should not be complaining. This is not about restricting the excitement of racing on the roads its about safety. The more people who speed in these places, the more people get upset by it and the more speed restrictions you get.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Sunday 25th August 2019
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Did they class 31mph as speeding when they did this?

ARHarh

3,701 posts

106 months

Sunday 25th August 2019
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DoubleD said:
Did they class 31mph as speeding when they did this?
Not sure but I do believe 31 mph in a 30 mph limit is speeding smile

Why do people think 33 mph in a 30 is not speeding? I know you are unlikely to be prosecuted for it but it is still speeding.