Cycle question...

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BGarside

1,464 posts

82 months

Saturday 24th August
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Aluminati said:
No they won’t, and they don’t . Please stop talking absolute bks. They are a self centered bunch of holier than though bunch of ignoramuses who have no thought for anyone but themselves.
And drivers aren't?

I don't see too many people overtaking sensibly when I'm cycling. Most just plough on past regardless of the width of the road, oncoming traffic, forward visibility, common sense. Anything to avoid waiting even a few seconds behind a mere cyclist for a safe passing opportunity.....

Aluminati

268 posts

3 months

Saturday 24th August
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BGarside said:
And drivers aren't?

I don't see too many people overtaking sensibly when I'm cycling. Most just plough on past regardless of the width of the road, oncoming traffic, forward visibility, common sense. Anything to avoid waiting even a few seconds behind a mere cyclist for a safe passing opportunity.....
I live in the countryside. One particular road we use is over a mile long. Plenty of places to pull in, as tractor drivers do when they see the queue.

Do the faux Wiggins ? Never. So, not wishing to put them at risk ( Narrow lane, blind bends) I suck it up. They usually appear at Garden Centre Cafe where missus helps out. Will they order as a group ? Will they fk. They get their little leather purses out with the pocket money their carers have given them, and treble the size of the queue I have never, ever come across a bigger bunch of bellends ever. But it’s okay, because they are saving the planet pedalling about in lycra, because their carers have locked all female underwear up.

Don’t tell me cyclist groups are considerate of other road users, because they aren’t. They’re an ignorant bunch of fktards.


Edited by Aluminati on Saturday 24th August 22:58


Edited by Aluminati on Saturday 24th August 22:59

Pothole

27,366 posts

227 months

Saturday 24th August
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QUEUE!

Aluminati

268 posts

3 months

Saturday 24th August
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Pothole said:
QUEUE!
Think Basil Fawlty wink Edited to stop you having a stroke.

Edited by Aluminati on Saturday 24th August 23:01

gazza285

5,251 posts

153 months

Saturday 24th August
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Dangerous Dan

623 posts

116 months

Sunday 25th August
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"Human beings are selfish and inconsiderate".

The shock.

Retroman

889 posts

78 months

Sunday 25th August
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RogerDodger said:
What a load of bks.
I pass cyclists, at moderate speeds (under 50 ish) as in diagram 1 (usually with my wheels on the cats eyes). (I cant believe you've even made this whole diagram, as an aside)

I am never less than at least 1.5m away. I never feel too close, and the cyclists never bat an eyelid. Lots of road users overtake a solitary cyclist as in diagram 3. and end up coming at me head on, needlessly. You certainly don't need to straddle lanes in the vast majority of cases to give 1.5m. Roads are generally wider than that.

Diagram 2 is a fair compromise, when you can, safely.

Based on my overtaking, I'd drive past the whole line of cyclists in single file, with plenty of room for an oncoming car to pass. This is at moderate speeds.

Rarely are roads exactly 2 cars wide as in your diagrams. More often than not, you can happily fit three cars side by side, with room to spare.

Your final diagram is nonsense as I've never seen a group of hobby cyclists bunched up so their front and back wheels are touching. Far from it.

I overtook two lone lycra lads on an A road a few weeks back. They were cycling to take up the whole lane, side by side. As I overtook (slowly I'll add), I beeped and shouted to get into single file. The looked at each other, through their wrap around cyclogalsses, and laughed. Pretty much sums them up.

Just to add fuel the fire, when they arrive at our local, they keep their helmets, and often their wrap-arounds on at the bar - proper bell ends. No one engages with them.
Edited by RogerDodger on Saturday 24th August 14:39
I didn't make that diagram. It's been circulating online for a few years

I think you're looking too much into it, but it's pretty simple.

If there's oncoming traffic, don't try and overtake the cyclist.
If there's no oncoming traffic, it doesn't matter if the cyclist is keeping to the left, or in the middle of the lane because you can still pass using the oncoming lane.

If you can fit 3 cars, and maintain a safe gap then that's all good as well of course.

20 cyclists side by side, is going to be shorter than 20 cyclists, in single file. If they are in single file, they will be keeping the same distance from the people in the front as if they were 2 abreast.



Retroman

889 posts

78 months

Sunday 25th August
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Always amazes me, that the more someone has a hatred towards cyclists the more often they use the word lycra.
Is it some sort of closet fetish?

frisbee

1,929 posts

55 months

Sunday 25th August
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Retroman said:
Always amazes me, that the more someone has a hatred towards cyclists the more often they use the word lycra.
Is it some sort of closet fetish?
More of a dash fetish. Why do you think most are incapable of changing down a gear or two when they overtake, what is that hand up to....

RogerDodger

1,314 posts

39 months

Sunday 25th August
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meatballs said:
Don't blame them you probably came across as a right bellend
I'm certain they thought I was.

Mort7

667 posts

53 months

Sunday 25th August
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Retroman said:
Always amazes me, that the more someone has a hatred towards cyclists the more often they use the word lycra.
Is it some sort of closet fetish?
Not convinced it has anything to do with hatred. It's just a handy way to differentiate between genuine cyclists and the weekend variety. The fetishists are actually wearing the Lycra..........

Randy Winkman

6,994 posts

134 months

Sunday 25th August
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frisbee said:
Retroman said:
Always amazes me, that the more someone has a hatred towards cyclists the more often they use the word lycra.
Is it some sort of closet fetish?
More of a dash fetish. Why do you think most are incapable of changing down a gear or two when they overtake, what is that hand up to....
That chugger-chugger sound as people overtake 2 gears too high is quite a familiar sound for a cyclist.

Digby

Original Poster:

6,978 posts

191 months

Sunday 25th August
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Randy Winkman said:
frisbee said:
Retroman said:
Always amazes me, that the more someone has a hatred towards cyclists the more often they use the word lycra.
Is it some sort of closet fetish?
More of a dash fetish. Why do you think most are incapable of changing down a gear or two when they overtake, what is that hand up to....
That chugger-chugger sound as people overtake 2 gears too high is quite a familiar sound for a cyclist.
We have a quite long steep and winding hill near to where I live and every single day, without fail, someone at the front going up it can't work out which gear to be in. In manuals at least, they either come to an almost complete stop as it gets to the steepest part, or they sit in first hitting 14,000 rpms doing around 5 mph. It has become laughably predictable who is and isn't going to do the right thing when you follow them up. You can hear them change into say third or fourth on the initial climb and the car slows down more and more until you are barely moving and then I assume they get the handbook out..

NoAdverseDevelopments

49 posts

8 months

Sunday 25th August
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As a cyclist (mtb and commuting, not a 'roadie') and a petrolhead I dispair at the attitude of some people, not just on here but Facebook, Twitter etc. Just remember the roads were originally built for horse-drawn carriages and trailers, then bikes came along, then the motor car. You can be banned from driving a car on the road (hence why it is a privilege) but you can always take a bike or horse on one (yes, I am aware that motorways have different rules but they were built specifically for motorised vehicles).

Anyway, in answer to the OP's question: they should use flashing beacons on the lead and tail vehicle, like a tractor or rubbish lorry does, shows that they are moving but at a reduced rate and to be careful when passing. A sign on the rear of the tail vehicle saying 'Cycle Event' or something similar is useful too. I helped run a Coast-Coast the height of Wales ride a few years ago and that is what we were advised to do. We also gave the local police force a head's up we were coming through and some even offered us alternative routes that were safer for certain parts.

vtchequers

222 posts

43 months

Sunday 25th August
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numtumfutunch said:
So why do you hate cyclists so much???
A p1ssed off horse would be capable of writing your car off! whereas a p1ssed off cyclist is just a tw@t

seveb

149 posts

18 months

Monday 26th August
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There are several different types of cyclist. Children, Mr and Mrs Average on a bike going to work or shopping - they need our assistance, they are not fast nor probably very experienced, especially younger people cycling to school. I have great respect for these cyclists and will go out of my way to overtake safely, give them plenty of room and hang back in case something happens. I expect we're all in agreement with this ?

The one sector of cyclists I have very little respect for is the group who turn the roads into their private race track, ignoring traffic rules. They have no respect for others - even pedestrians. These I will overtake as soon as there's no oncoming traffic and I'm not particularly bothered how much space I give them as they're not bothered about that when they overtake me. What goes around and all that - if they want to be treated respectfully then the first step is to start treating others with respect.

Solocle

1,098 posts

29 months

Monday 26th August
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seveb said:
There are several different types of cyclist. Children, Mr and Mrs Average on a bike going to work or shopping - they need our assistance, they are not fast nor probably very experienced, especially younger people cycling to school. I have great respect for these cyclists and will go out of my way to overtake safely, give them plenty of room and hang back in case something happens. I expect we're all in agreement with this ?

The one sector of cyclists I have very little respect for is the group who turn the roads into their private race track, ignoring traffic rules. They have no respect for others - even pedestrians. These I will overtake as soon as there's no oncoming traffic and I'm not particularly bothered how much space I give them as they're not bothered about that when they overtake me. What goes around and all that - if they want to be treated respectfully then the first step is to start treating others with respect.
Given that you'll only know that they disobey traffic rules if you observe them for a significant length of time, you're not in a position to make that judgement. There's no correlation with lycra - I wear lycra more often than not, but I obey traffic rules. When I see someone jump a red light, they're more often than not Mr Average.
When I inevitably pass Mr Average after the light turns green, I might reduce the space I leave somewhat. But I don't think there's a correlation between cycling for sport, and disobeying traffic laws. In fact, I expect that "Average" cyclists behave more like pedestrians.

frisbee

1,929 posts

55 months

Monday 26th August
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seveb said:
There are several different types of cyclist. Children, Mr and Mrs Average on a bike going to work or shopping - they need our assistance, they are not fast nor probably very experienced, especially younger people cycling to school. I have great respect for these cyclists and will go out of my way to overtake safely, give them plenty of room and hang back in case something happens. I expect we're all in agreement with this ?

The one sector of cyclists I have very little respect for is the group who turn the roads into their private race track, ignoring traffic rules. They have no respect for others - even pedestrians. These I will overtake as soon as there's no oncoming traffic and I'm not particularly bothered how much space I give them as they're not bothered about that when they overtake me. What goes around and all that - if they want to be treated respectfully then the first step is to start treating others with respect.
If your doing it properly you should either:

a) overtake a small line of cyclists when there is traffic coming the other way, panic and abandon the overtake while halfway past the cyclists, then drive alongside them for a bit.

or

b) fixate so much on overtaking the cyclists that you force motorists coming the other way to brake and swerve

or

c) shout abuse while overtaking and then have to stop almost immediately for a queue of traffic.

No cyclist is going to bat an eyelid at your method. You'll actually fail a bus driving test if you use your method.

PAULJ5555

3,425 posts

121 months

Tuesday 27th August
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numtumfutunch said:
I often go for an early Sunday morning bike ride with my mates Daz, Baz and Gaz
We meet at 7AM and are safely out of your way by 11AM at the latest

Our routes largely take in lightly traffic'd minor B roads

Occasionally we have a car stuck behind us waiting for a safe overtaking opportunity
This can sometimes delay them for as much as 20 whole seconds

Despite this we expect and regularly endure continuous low level abuse and intimidation from motorists

On the other hand I was "lucky" enough to be held up by the local hunt this afternoon on a busy A road
There were approx 30 horses and riders leisurely trotting along making no concession to an equal or even larger number of cars and vans held up by their procession

Yet in contrast to me and the lads the horse riders were treated with much more courtesy and decency despite holding up orders of magnitude more traffic for orders of magnitude more time on a main arterial road.

In fact when anybody got the chance to overtake - which was rare due to on coming traffic on a busy road - there was usually a friendly wave from the motorist

So why do you hate cyclists so much???
I think its because its not the horses fault and not fair to panic them, they may get hurt.

Also most people dont see the fox hunt being idiots but everyone see cyclists beeing idiots. As in most walks of like the bad ones spoil it for the good ones.

oyster

9,258 posts

193 months

Tuesday 27th August
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RogerDodger said:
What a load of bks.

I pass cyclists, at moderate speeds (under 50 ish) as in diagram 1 (usually with my wheels on the cats eyes). (I cant believe you've even made this whole diagram, as an aside)

I am never less than at least 1.5m away. I never feel too close, and the cyclists never bat an eyelid. Lots of road users overtake a solitary cyclist as in diagram 3. and end up coming at me head on, needlessly. You certainly don't need to straddle lanes in the vast majority of cases to give 1.5m. Roads are generally wider than that.

Diagram 2 is a fair compromise, when you can, safely.

Based on my overtaking, I'd drive past the whole line of cyclists in single file, with plenty of room for an oncoming car to pass. This is at moderate speeds.

Rarely are roads exactly 2 cars wide as in your diagrams. More often than not, you can happily fit three cars side by side, with room to spare.

Your final diagram is nonsense as I've never seen a group of hobby cyclists bunched up so their front and back wheels are touching. Far from it.

I overtook two lone lycra lads on an A road a few weeks back. They were cycling to take up the whole lane, side by side. As I overtook (slowly I'll add), I beeped and shouted to get into single file. The looked at each other, through their wrap around cyclogalsses, and laughed. Pretty much sums them up.

Just to add fuel the fire, when they arrive at our local, they keep their helmets, and often their wrap-arounds on at the bar - proper bell ends. No one engages with them.






Edited by RogerDodger on Saturday 24th August 14:39
The first parts of your post are well thought out, show consideration for others and are common sense.

Then you make some bizarre infantile points at the end.

If you were overtaking a car with 1 person in it, do you beep and shout abuse suggesting they take a motorbike or bicycle next time as they forced you to cross to the other side of the road?