My turn - parking invoice

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fatboy b

Original Poster:

9,493 posts

216 months

Friday 25th October 2019
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With a difference.

I wandered into Trinity Park Roadways because of a crappy sat nav, initially stopped to sort things and glanced out the driver’s window to see the below signage and thought better of it. I turned around and exited all in about 2-3 mins.

Today I received an invoice for my trouble. Says that I was parked. I wasn’t really, just reading Ts & Cs. Says that “By parking within this car park you are bound by these Ts & Cs......” I never entered a car park and the pic shows the car I was in on the roadway, albeit with double yellows.

The reason for the issue was “no parking/no stopping”. I wasn’t parked as said, but was stopped reading the Ts & Cs. Having looked at Street View, it would be impossible to safely read the Ts & Cs without stopping.

Surely the 10 minutes grace applies here for entering a private car park, even though it’s a highway.






Edited by fatboy b on Friday 25th October 17:57

ashleyman

6,983 posts

99 months

Friday 25th October 2019
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“If unsure please seek advice from CPM or refrain from parking”

But stop to read this sign and get a fee anyway.

Dixy

2,921 posts

205 months

Friday 25th October 2019
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Is there not now precedence for defining parking. I think you have done nothing wrong and should fight it.

irc

7,282 posts

136 months

Friday 25th October 2019
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Surely these robbing invoices are based on contract law? As OP had to stop to read the terms then declined them by immediately driving away then no contract was formed.

But worth a look at Pepipoo.

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=60

Hol

8,409 posts

200 months

Friday 25th October 2019
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There’s a good chance they will waive that.

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

157 months

Friday 25th October 2019
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That appears to state:

'By entering or remaining on the land you agree to abide by all the Terms & Conditions.'


So they are trying to claim you agree to something before you can possibly have the chance to read and consider them!

Crazy.

fatboy b

Original Poster:

9,493 posts

216 months

Friday 25th October 2019
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Thanks all.

Pretty much as I see it. I had no idea I was entering private land and no intention to stay or park. The pic of the car I was driving (which was a hire car btw) was taken from a car parked up the street that seemed intent on catching everyone. It’s near the station, and if you look on google street view there’s a few taxis parked up to avoid waiting fees, so I understand why they’re doing it. But Christ what an entrapment situation.

Edited by fatboy b on Friday 25th October 19:11

surveyor

17,817 posts

184 months

Friday 25th October 2019
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Doncaster and Liverpool airport both have vans on their estates that will do you for stopping, whether it's to check a map or wait for someone...

Absolute swines.

Trax

1,537 posts

232 months

Friday 25th October 2019
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surveyor said:
Doncaster and Liverpool airport both have vans on their estates that will do you for stopping, whether it's to check a map or wait for someone...

Absolute swines.
And charge to collect (Doncaster), hence they all sit outside peoples houses on the estate next to the airport, peeing in the hedges, engines running, music on, opposite junctions, blocking drives etc. Great when it’s late in the evening.

For the OP, should be able to challenge, pepippo is the place to ask.

surveyor

17,817 posts

184 months

Friday 25th October 2019
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Trax said:
surveyor said:
Doncaster and Liverpool airport both have vans on their estates that will do you for stopping, whether it's to check a map or wait for someone...

Absolute swines.
And charge to collect (Doncaster), hence they all sit outside peoples houses on the estate next to the airport, peeing in the hedges, engines running, music on, opposite junctions, blocking drives etc. Great when it’s late in the evening.

For the OP, should be able to challenge, pepippo is the place to ask.
Don't forget Pat's layby, now with the public toilet woods....

fatboy b

Original Poster:

9,493 posts

216 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2019
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Update:

Letter sent pointing out that the car was stopped opposite a Ts & Cs notice, so maybe the driver was reading them, then decided to move on. Also pointed out that it’s impossible to read a notice unless stopped. And should they wish to pursue, then asked them to supply ANPR entry and exit times if longer than 10 mins, and a pre-court letter of explanation of why they continued to pursue.

Their reply was as as expected really.



Edited by fatboy b on Tuesday 3rd December 21:49

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

183 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2019
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Good result - well done

Osinjak

5,453 posts

121 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2019
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That was surprisingly straightforward, nice one.

silverfoxcc

7,689 posts

145 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2019
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fatboy

Good result


S11Steve

6,374 posts

184 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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"But but but but but you broke their rules so you should have paid the fine!! Ignorant, self-entitled, YPLAC etc...."



Good result - I'm a strong believer that a succinct letter explaining where they have failed to comply with either POFA or the Code of Practice is the best approach.

CPM know that many of their sites are unenforceable, but plenty of people and fleets still pay these upon receipt without question, so it is worth their while to continue the scam.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Dixy said:
Is there not now precedence for defining parking. I think you have done nothing wrong and should fight it.
Trying to be helpful, not snippy - the word is precedent. Precedence is about who goes first at something.

Pica-Pica

13,777 posts

84 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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fatboy b said:
...Also pointed out that it’s impossible to read a notice unless stopped.
..and unwise, and dangerous too.

fatboy b

Original Poster:

9,493 posts

216 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Thanks all. Advice frorm here & a google search for letter content sorted it. I might invoice them for my time now hehe

Dixy

2,921 posts

205 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Breadvan72 said:
Trying to be helpful, not snippy - the word is precedent. Precedence is about who goes first at something.
I am most grateful to my learned friend. So is there a precedent.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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I assume you are joking. If not, er...

All you ever need in these cases is a sensible, non-shouty letter written in clear English and without any half-understood legal malapropisms, and maybe in the more complex ones a quick steer from S11steve. No need to go and consult the wibble sites beloved of some here. No need to write letters that appear to have been penned by early Victorian law firms after a heavy lunch.