My turn - parking invoice
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With a difference.
I wandered into Trinity Park Roadways because of a crappy sat nav, initially stopped to sort things and glanced out the driver’s window to see the below signage and thought better of it. I turned around and exited all in about 2-3 mins.
Today I received an invoice for my trouble. Says that I was parked. I wasn’t really, just reading Ts & Cs. Says that “By parking within this car park you are bound by these Ts & Cs......” I never entered a car park and the pic shows the car I was in on the roadway, albeit with double yellows.
The reason for the issue was “no parking/no stopping”. I wasn’t parked as said, but was stopped reading the Ts & Cs. Having looked at Street View, it would be impossible to safely read the Ts & Cs without stopping.
Surely the 10 minutes grace applies here for entering a private car park, even though it’s a highway.
I wandered into Trinity Park Roadways because of a crappy sat nav, initially stopped to sort things and glanced out the driver’s window to see the below signage and thought better of it. I turned around and exited all in about 2-3 mins.
Today I received an invoice for my trouble. Says that I was parked. I wasn’t really, just reading Ts & Cs. Says that “By parking within this car park you are bound by these Ts & Cs......” I never entered a car park and the pic shows the car I was in on the roadway, albeit with double yellows.
The reason for the issue was “no parking/no stopping”. I wasn’t parked as said, but was stopped reading the Ts & Cs. Having looked at Street View, it would be impossible to safely read the Ts & Cs without stopping.
Surely the 10 minutes grace applies here for entering a private car park, even though it’s a highway.
Edited by fatboy b on Friday 25th October 17:57
Surely these robbing invoices are based on contract law? As OP had to stop to read the terms then declined them by immediately driving away then no contract was formed.
But worth a look at Pepipoo.
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=60
But worth a look at Pepipoo.
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=60
Thanks all.
Pretty much as I see it. I had no idea I was entering private land and no intention to stay or park. The pic of the car I was driving (which was a hire car btw) was taken from a car parked up the street that seemed intent on catching everyone. It’s near the station, and if you look on google street view there’s a few taxis parked up to avoid waiting fees, so I understand why they’re doing it. But Christ what an entrapment situation.
Pretty much as I see it. I had no idea I was entering private land and no intention to stay or park. The pic of the car I was driving (which was a hire car btw) was taken from a car parked up the street that seemed intent on catching everyone. It’s near the station, and if you look on google street view there’s a few taxis parked up to avoid waiting fees, so I understand why they’re doing it. But Christ what an entrapment situation.
Edited by fatboy b on Friday 25th October 19:11
surveyor said:
Doncaster and Liverpool airport both have vans on their estates that will do you for stopping, whether it's to check a map or wait for someone...
Absolute swines.
And charge to collect (Doncaster), hence they all sit outside peoples houses on the estate next to the airport, peeing in the hedges, engines running, music on, opposite junctions, blocking drives etc. Great when it’s late in the evening. Absolute swines.
For the OP, should be able to challenge, pepippo is the place to ask.
Trax said:
surveyor said:
Doncaster and Liverpool airport both have vans on their estates that will do you for stopping, whether it's to check a map or wait for someone...
Absolute swines.
And charge to collect (Doncaster), hence they all sit outside peoples houses on the estate next to the airport, peeing in the hedges, engines running, music on, opposite junctions, blocking drives etc. Great when it’s late in the evening. Absolute swines.
For the OP, should be able to challenge, pepippo is the place to ask.
Update:
Letter sent pointing out that the car was stopped opposite a Ts & Cs notice, so maybe the driver was reading them, then decided to move on. Also pointed out that it’s impossible to read a notice unless stopped. And should they wish to pursue, then asked them to supply ANPR entry and exit times if longer than 10 mins, and a pre-court letter of explanation of why they continued to pursue.
Their reply was as as expected really.
Letter sent pointing out that the car was stopped opposite a Ts & Cs notice, so maybe the driver was reading them, then decided to move on. Also pointed out that it’s impossible to read a notice unless stopped. And should they wish to pursue, then asked them to supply ANPR entry and exit times if longer than 10 mins, and a pre-court letter of explanation of why they continued to pursue.
Their reply was as as expected really.
Edited by fatboy b on Tuesday 3rd December 21:49
"But but but but but you broke their rules so you should have paid the fine!! Ignorant, self-entitled, YPLAC etc...."
Good result - I'm a strong believer that a succinct letter explaining where they have failed to comply with either POFA or the Code of Practice is the best approach.
CPM know that many of their sites are unenforceable, but plenty of people and fleets still pay these upon receipt without question, so it is worth their while to continue the scam.
Good result - I'm a strong believer that a succinct letter explaining where they have failed to comply with either POFA or the Code of Practice is the best approach.
CPM know that many of their sites are unenforceable, but plenty of people and fleets still pay these upon receipt without question, so it is worth their while to continue the scam.
I assume you are joking. If not, er...
All you ever need in these cases is a sensible, non-shouty letter written in clear English and without any half-understood legal malapropisms, and maybe in the more complex ones a quick steer from S11steve. No need to go and consult the wibble sites beloved of some here. No need to write letters that appear to have been penned by early Victorian law firms after a heavy lunch.
All you ever need in these cases is a sensible, non-shouty letter written in clear English and without any half-understood legal malapropisms, and maybe in the more complex ones a quick steer from S11steve. No need to go and consult the wibble sites beloved of some here. No need to write letters that appear to have been penned by early Victorian law firms after a heavy lunch.
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