Driving Too Slowly Is Dangerous

Driving Too Slowly Is Dangerous

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bad company

Original Poster:

11,146 posts

214 months

Monday 28th October
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Well if you can’t trust the Daily Star:-

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/slow-...

colin_p

2,195 posts

160 months

Monday 28th October
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True.

And rush hour, nobody seems to be in a rush.

It is more akin to bimbling to the garden center on a Sunday afternoon hour.

Dave Hedgehog

11,899 posts

152 months

Monday 28th October
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colin_p said:
True.

And rush hour, nobody seems to be in a rush.

It is more akin to bimbling to the garden center on a Sunday afternoon hour.
traffic has a natural flow, going with that flow is less stressful. I will overtake people who dawdle about in traffic thou

lyonspride

2,380 posts

103 months

Monday 28th October
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This has been discussed many times and the trouble is you point out the anger and frustration it causes, and they just turn around and drop the usual one liners "it's not a race" or "it's a limit not a target" (which are impossible to answer before they start talking over you), followed by "well they shouldn't get angry". These are people who know full well how dangerous they are, but they seek out the confrontation so that they can be outraged and play the victim.

mackie1

7,712 posts

181 months

Monday 28th October
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People joining motorways at 30-40 mph definitely seems to be happening more often these days. A poster on another thread mentioned people on a speed awareness course thinking the limit on slip roads was 30mph - I wonder how they got that idea ?!

Earthdweller

3,371 posts

74 months

Monday 28th October
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Inappropriate speed is dangerous

Too fast or too slow

smile

Torquey

1,695 posts

176 months

Monday 28th October
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I was unfortunate enough to get a lift off my Dad over the weekend who is as slow and relaxed as they come.
Over 5 miles there were 3 incidents of people tooting and tailgating to hurry up. It was a 30mph limit the entire way but everything from slow villages with traffic lights to dual carriage way.

It doesn't bother him in the slightest. Just frustrating for everyone around and his passengers!

I can see this from both sides. In rush hour its more selfish to drive slowly though.


Edited by Torquey on Monday 28th October 08:47

Pica-Pica

6,204 posts

32 months

Monday 28th October
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mackie1 said:
People joining motorways at 30-40 mph definitely seems to be happening more often these days. A poster on another thread mentioned people on a speed awareness course thinking the limit on slip roads was 30mph - I wonder how they got that idea ?!
I wonder how they got a licence.

FiF

36,258 posts

199 months

Monday 28th October
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Torquey said:
I was unfortunate enough to get a lift off my Dad over the weekend who is as slow and relaxed as they come.
Over 5 miles there were 3 incidents of people tooting and tailgating to hurry up. It was a 30mph limit the entire way but everything from slow villages with traffic lights to dual carriage way.

It doesn't bother him in the slightest. Just frustrating for everyone around and his passengers!

I can see this from both sides. In rush hour its more selfish to drive slowly though.


Edited by Torquey on Monday 28th October 08:47
Just out of interest as you don't make it clear. So it was a 30 limit the entire way over different types of roads, did he drive up to that limit or was he consistently so below as to be a nuisance. If the former surely the problem is, as we already suspect, the setting of possibly inappropriate limits plus impatient drivers, if the latter then fair enough potentially needs a bomb up him except where there numerous hazards possibly.

Torquey

1,695 posts

176 months

Monday 28th October
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FiF said:
Just out of interest as you don't make it clear. So it was a 30 limit the entire way over different types of roads, did he drive up to that limit or was he consistently so below as to be a nuisance. If the former surely the problem is, as we already suspect, the setting of possibly inappropriate limits plus impatient drivers, if the latter then fair enough potentially needs a bomb up him except where there numerous hazards possibly.
Up to the limit - eventually. Just moving off slowly and slowing more than I would for roundabouts. I'd say the issue was more with impatient drivers but he is still partially responsible for causing the frustration.
I should add, his career is a driver and is monitored by dashcam/gps and regular driving training is giving.

vonhosen

36,274 posts

165 months

Monday 28th October
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Torquey said:
FiF said:
Just out of interest as you don't make it clear. So it was a 30 limit the entire way over different types of roads, did he drive up to that limit or was he consistently so below as to be a nuisance. If the former surely the problem is, as we already suspect, the setting of possibly inappropriate limits plus impatient drivers, if the latter then fair enough potentially needs a bomb up him except where there numerous hazards possibly.
Up to the limit - eventually. Just moving off slowly and slowing more than I would for roundabouts. I'd say the issue was more with impatient drivers but he is still partially responsible for causing the frustration.
I should add, his career is a driver and is monitored by dashcam/gps and regular driving training is giving.
He is probably going for fuel economy & averaging the speed out over the journey (trying to limit stop/start as much as possible), if he is receiving commercial driver training.

BertBert

13,156 posts

159 months

Monday 28th October
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Torquey]It was a 30mph limit the entire way[/footnote said:
It's quite interesting what a 30mph limit means to different people. For the bimblers it means slowly getting up to 28mph on the speedo and for the impatients it means doing 35 -38 on the speedo. They don't mix very well.

I've tried bimbling, especially in Mrs Bert's Zoe which tells you how well you've bimbled. It turns out I'm quite good at it and after a while it feels quite natural.

Bert

vonhosen

36,274 posts

165 months

Monday 28th October
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BertBert said:
Torquey]It was a 30mph limit the entire way[/footnote said:
It's quite interesting what a 30mph limit means to different people. For the bimblers it means slowly getting up to 28mph on the speedo and for the impatients it means doing 35 -38 on the speedo. They don't mix very well.

I've tried bimbling, especially in Mrs Bert's Zoe which tells you how well you've bimbled. It turns out I'm quite good at it and after a while it feels quite natural.

Bert
People tend to judge other's driving against their own ideals, values & styles, so they naturally think others doing it differently are doing it wrong.

Too many drivers (IMHO) drive far too close to others, perhaps in some sort of misguided belief that they can somehow push the vehicle in front down the road a bit faster (more in line with their values). In a lot of commercial driver training drivers will be introduced to values of vehicle space, vision & economy. They'll set off slower than the vehicles in front to create more space for themselves in front. They get to the speed limit, but slower than the vehicle ahead that is simply rushing to the next stop. This trained driver will believe there is no point rushing to the next stop because they burn more fuel getting the vehicle to speed from stationary when they get there, so instead they'd rather keep it rolling wherever possible.

These are values their employer want them to utilise because they historically result in fewer collisions, reduced fuel economy & reduced insurance/maintenance costs. They also, in reality experience little or no overall time delay over the alternative charger style.

shovelheadrob

1,485 posts

119 months

Monday 28th October
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mackie1 said:
People joining motorways at 30-40 mph definitely seems to be happening more often these days. A poster on another thread mentioned people on a speed awareness course thinking the limit on slip roads was 30mph - I wonder how they got that idea ?!
For some strange reason my sat nav will show the speed limit as 30mph on a couple of slip roads, it's a Garmin & bang up to date with everything. I don't know if it shows this on all slip roads as I tend to follow the road signs rather than the sat nav for speed limits....

Psycho Warren

376 posts

61 months

Monday 28th October
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Too hard to prosecute as its not as simple as speeding where you either are or arent speeding. Hence why its caught under careless driving.

It would be good if they could come up with a set of parameters to define it so they can put it under FPN's as then it could be more easily used.

Eg they should do same for tailgating and have it prosecuted automatically by cameras. Can't be that hard to make an algorithm or chart that if you are inside xxm of the car in front at xx mph then it constitutes tailgating. Base it around a modernised 2 second rule or similar.

Hackney

5,586 posts

156 months

Monday 28th October
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Pica-Pica said:
mackie1 said:
People joining motorways at 30-40 mph definitely seems to be happening more often these days. A poster on another thread mentioned people on a speed awareness course thinking the limit on slip roads was 30mph - I wonder how they got that idea ?!
I wonder how they got a licence.
Learner drivers aren't allowed on the motorway and the test doesn't include motorway driving.
I assume all questions in the theory test - I passed before that came in - are related to on motorway rather than slip road, so I would think it's remarkably easy to get a licence while being this ill informed.

vonhosen

36,274 posts

165 months

Monday 28th October
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Hackney said:
Pica-Pica said:
mackie1 said:
People joining motorways at 30-40 mph definitely seems to be happening more often these days. A poster on another thread mentioned people on a speed awareness course thinking the limit on slip roads was 30mph - I wonder how they got that idea ?!
I wonder how they got a licence.
Learner drivers aren't allowed on the motorway and the test doesn't include motorway driving.
I assume all questions in the theory test - I passed before that came in - are related to on motorway rather than slip road, so I would think it's remarkably easy to get a licence while being this ill informed.
You appear to be ill informed.
Learner drivers are allowed on the motorway (when accompanied by an ADI in a vehicle fitted with dual controls) for cars.
And for larger vehicle categories when supervised by an appropriately qualified person.

Hackney

5,586 posts

156 months

Monday 28th October
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A road near me is a single carriageway, 60mph limit.

I regularly follow people up/down it who are doing dead on 40 or dead on 50 (speedo) mph which leads me to believe they don't know the speed limit.

The other day topped the lot though, followed someone down (and it is a gradual descent) and they were at 30 all the way, on the way back I followed someone who got to 40. There are a couple of places to overtake if you're prepared and able to accelerate, but other than that it's a recipe for frustration as it's such a nice road to do 50-60 on.

flacko

121 posts

3 months

Monday 28th October
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vonhosen said:
You appear to be ill informed.
Learner drivers are allowed on the motorway (when accompanied by an ADI in a vehicle fitted with dual controls).
that wasnt introduced until very recently though, right? this year, or last year?

vonhosen

36,274 posts

165 months

Monday 28th October
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flacko said:
vonhosen said:
You appear to be ill informed.
Learner drivers are allowed on the motorway (when accompanied by an ADI in a vehicle fitted with dual controls).
that wasnt introduced until very recently though, right? this year, or last year?
4th June 2018 in respect of cars, but learners have been able to for larger vehicle categories prior to that.