Police Aggression at Car Meets

[Bigends]

XCP said:

Bigends said:

Wonder what the officers response would have been had the OP replied - 'No, you fu*k off'

What would your response have been? Theirs would have been much the same I expect.

Could go a couple of ways - Cop realises they were in the wrong to act like they did, tell the OP - just move it - and walk on.

Or..escalate matters, arrest the OP for S5 and finish up in court with the OP and his mates ( i'm sure hed find plenty of support) giving evidence in court of the abusive behaviour of the officer toward the OP for no good reason, followed by the complaint to professional standards.

[Greendubber]

Bigends said:

XCP said:

Bigends said:

Wonder what the officers response would have been had the OP replied - 'No, you fu*k off'

What would your response have been? Theirs would have been much the same I expect.

Could go a couple of ways - Cop realises they were in the wrong to act like they did, tell the OP - just move it - and walk on.

Or..escalate matters, arrest the OP for S5 and finish up in court with the OP and his mates ( i'm sure hed find plenty of support) giving evidence in court of the abusive behaviour of the officer toward the OP for no good reason, followed by the complaint to professional standards.

Do you know any custody sgts that accept a 5 into custody?

My money would be on a "just get in your car and go"

[Bigends]

Greendubber said:

Bigends said:

XCP said:

Bigends said:

Wonder what the officers response would have been had the OP replied - 'No, you fu*k off'

What would your response have been? Theirs would have been much the same I expect.

Could go a couple of ways - Cop realises they were in the wrong to act like they did, tell the OP - just move it - and walk on.

Or..escalate matters, arrest the OP for S5 and finish up in court with the OP and his mates ( i'm sure hed find plenty of support) giving evidence in court of the abusive behaviour of the officer toward the OP for no good reason, followed by the complaint to professional standards.

Do you know any custody sgts that accept a 5 into custody?

My money would be on a "just get in your car and go"

No, just when he contests the PND he got issued or gets reported - no need for custody.

Edited by Bigends on Thursday 5th December 16:12

[Greendubber]

Bigends said:

Greendubber said:

Bigends said:

XCP said:

Bigends said:

Wonder what the officers response would have been had the OP replied - 'No, you fu*k off'

What would your response have been? Theirs would have been much the same I expect.

Could go a couple of ways - Cop realises they were in the wrong to act like they did, tell the OP - just move it - and walk on.

Or..escalate matters, arrest the OP for S5 and finish up in court with the OP and his mates ( i'm sure hed find plenty of support) giving evidence in court of the abusive behaviour of the officer toward the OP for no good reason, followed by the complaint to professional standards.

Do you know any custody sgts that accept a 5 into custody?

My money would be on a "just get in your car and go"

No, just when he contests the PND he got issued or gets reported - no need for custody.

Edited by Bigends on Thursday 5th December 16:12

You're the one mentioned arrest though, what's the CODE G for that when a PND can be issued after the event?

I'm sure details would have been obtained if they really wanted to issue a PND for a 5 (as if)

[XCP]

Need more than a quick 'fk off' for a S5 surely?

[Greendubber]

XCP said:

Need more than a quick 'fk off' for a S5 surely?

Well yes, and an outraged member of the public to act as a witness ideally or it's dead in the water, hence why I suggested nothing happening before all this nonsense talk of arrest and PNDs.

[Bigends]

Greendubber said:

XCP said:

Need more than a quick 'fk off' for a S5 surely?

Well yes, and an outraged member of the public to act as a witness ideally or it's dead in the water, hence why I suggested nothing happening before all this nonsense talk of arrest and PNDs.

Scroll through to 7.50 on this. I cancelled dozens of S5 PND;s issued for a single phrase or a middle finger stuck up - which officers clearly thought was an appropriate way of dealing with such matters. Anyway i was responding to a querstion - the incident could have gone either of two ways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU10xAUaKgg

Edited by Bigends on Thursday 5th December 16:37

[XCP]

Greendubber said:

XCP said:

Need more than a quick 'fk off' for a S5 surely?

Well yes, and an outraged member of the public to act as a witness ideally or it's dead in the water, hence why I suggested nothing happening before all this nonsense talk of arrest and PNDs.

Do you still have to give a warning?

[Bigends]

XCP said:

Greendubber said:

XCP said:

Need more than a quick 'fk off' for a S5 surely?

Well yes, and an outraged member of the public to act as a witness ideally or it's dead in the water, hence why I suggested nothing happening before all this nonsense talk of arrest and PNDs.

Do you still have to give a warning?

No - but probably best practice to

[XCP]

and include reference to the group of elderly nuns who were nearby in your statement...

[Greendubber]

Bigends said:

Greendubber said:

XCP said:

Need more than a quick 'fk off' for a S5 surely?

Well yes, and an outraged member of the public to act as a witness ideally or it's dead in the water, hence why I suggested nothing happening before all this nonsense talk of arrest and PNDs.

Scroll through to 7.50 on this. I cancelled dozens of S5 PND;s issued for a single phrase or a middle finger stuck up - which officers clearly thought was an appropriate way of dealing with such matters. Anyway i was responding to a querstion - the incident could have gone either of two ways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU10xAUaKgg

Edited by Bigends on Thursday 5th December 16:37

I'm not wasting my data watching anything by Crimebodge.

Who are the IPs for the 5s because the hobbies certainly cant be. I doubt in the OPs circumstances his mate would have given a statement

[xjay1337]

Greendubber said:

I'm not wasting my data watching anything by Crimebodge.

Who are the IPs for the 5s because the hobbies certainly cant be. I doubt in the OPs circumstances his mate would have given a statement

Basically police and guy are talking st to each other.
The guy calls the police officer a pig.
Police man get's hurt feelings.

[semisane]

sounds to me like PC finds polite soft touch (no disrepect OP) and threatens him / her, to start getting cars moving

[Bigends]

Greendubber said:

Bigends said:

Greendubber said:

XCP said:

Need more than a quick 'fk off' for a S5 surely?

Well yes, and an outraged member of the public to act as a witness ideally or it's dead in the water, hence why I suggested nothing happening before all this nonsense talk of arrest and PNDs.

Scroll through to 7.50 on this. I cancelled dozens of S5 PND;s issued for a single phrase or a middle finger stuck up - which officers clearly thought was an appropriate way of dealing with such matters. Anyway i was responding to a querstion - the incident could have gone either of two ways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU10xAUaKgg

Edited by Bigends on Thursday 5th December 16:37

I'm not wasting my data watching anything by Crimebodge.

Who are the IPs for the 5s because the hobbies certainly cant be. I doubt in the OPs circumstances his mate would have given a statement

It never happened ..so all academic. Anyway - in the video - matey is arrested/ cuffed and charged for a single word...Pig - so arrests clearly do happen - though this does involve the Met..bless 'em

[XCP]

xjay1337 said:

Basically police and guy are talking st to each other.
The guy calls the police officer a pig.
Police man get's hurt feelings.

The 'distress' element is made out then!

[Countdown]

xjay1337 said:

Basically police and guy are talking st to each other.
The guy calls the police officer a pig.
Police man get's hurt feelings.

It's not exactly a term of affection, is it?

How much should Police Officers have to put up with? How many times should he be able to shout "pig" (or indeed any other term of abuse) before being arrested? After all...."sticks and stones".....

[BertBert]

Pegscratch said:

BertBert said:

plod arrive to send everyone home. A simple and effective strategy to deal with the problem. How would you desk with it?

But that's not what happens is it? Plod arrives, start dishing out S.59 like they're dishing out stickers at a kid's birthday party. People affected have zero respect for the police.

I would deal with it - if I were a police officer - by doing my fking job. If there had been a complaint, observe. Inform all present that there had been a complaint. Identify anyone who is engaged in something that has an actual offence behind it. Inform them that they are committing an offence, and if necessary use the powers that being an actual serving police officer affords me to deal with or detain any individuals that are committing those offences.

I would not be walking in there and looking for anything that looked like a hatchback, or was a "loud" car, or was remotely sporty so I could go win the S.59 bingo with my full house when I got back to the nick.

I obviously don't have the direct experience of these that you must have to make those statements about the number of s59s dished out. However, if we go back to the OP, you'll notice he didn't get an s59.

And with respect I think your method of dealing with it is far too simplistic. By the way using the S59 is exactly the power that plod have.

But back to the OPs story. Plod turn up, do a bit of shouting, threaten S59s, get the job done of dispersing the group. Noone got arrested, good use of resources, anti social drivers dispersed.

And the downside? OP gets a bit offended at being told what to do (and had to be told several times by his own admission) in a rude and shouty way.

Sounds like a job well done to me.

Bert

[Pegscratch]

Actually it sounds like a bunch of people have a lot less respect for the police now than when they started, so there's an argument there that they're masters of their own demise in that regard. Respect is earned and all that jazz, and turning up, expressing an interest, talking to people like human beings is a lot better than running in all "fk fkity fk fk fk" and using powers that are unreasonable to move people on.

Good police know this. st police do not. And do not care.

[Rude-boy]

Graveworm said:

OldGermanHeaps said:

covert body cams are very cheap now, carry one to the next meet. if it is as you describe it puts you in a much better position.

The police officer will almost certainly have a body cam so they could use that.

Having your own makes it a lot harder for the Police to lose theirs, have a faulty SD card, accidentally delete footage other than that which supports their version of events and the like.

I grew up having a lot of respect for the Police. A female family member was even a member of the force for a while until they got fed up of being beaten up and having windows pushed out on them 5 floors below and the powers that be doing nothing about it. But sadly there are an awful lot of people who seem to have been allowed into the force who seem to act like it's 2000AD and have a total and utter inability to realize that not only will people mirror your emotions and behavior, but also that you don't very often talk to someone who is being polite and compliant the same way you would to someone who was being a little scrota.

[Graveworm]

Rude-boy said:

Having your own makes it a lot harder for the Police to lose theirs, have a faulty SD card, accidentally delete footage other than that which supports their version of events and the like.

Pretty much impossible for the individual officer to do that. They upload everything at the end of each shift to a server which is pretty much as robust as any other government IT server. If they "Forgot" it would upload the next time anyone uploaded. Even if some IT administrator with corrupt intent deleted it the archive would have retained the backups. The officers only input is to mark it as evidential or non evidential. That determines how long before it gets erased. The cameras are tamper proof, and there is end to end encryption together with a digital audit trail. there are no SD cards involved. If a complaint comes in they would access the footage from the server and save it.