Police Aggression at Car Meets
Discussion
essayer said:
Evanivitch said:
The old snails-pace compliance? How long was this duration of "getting ready to leave" (which is what exactly in a modern car?) and still being sat there with the engine off?
then “talked to a friend” in the next car park. 
They don’t care about being polite, they just want you gone. As does anyone who lives nearby. Perhaps avoid organised car meets if this bothers you
There is however no excuses for being unnecessarily rude to people. There's a time and place for speaking to people in a manner which they will understand that includes swearing (it's not an offence)
I've worked lots of similar events and had nothing but abuse off idiots who are intent on ignoring requests to leave, car meets are an absolute nightmare if people start moving onto new spots.
OP - if you dont like it complain, maybe also think about leaving next time people start acting like idiots.
Second Best said:
If the police had come and accused my sister and I of being involved, I'd be quite annoyed. I'd probably take any section 59 or anything else official to appeal, as if you can demonstratably show you weren't involved (I would show my cinema ticket, dashcam video, and use my sister's testimony as evidence), then I'd expect it to be thrown out + costs paid for.
Good luck, they're non-appealable/non-contestable. You can't do anything about them and there's no burden of proof on the issuance.. I got one in my impreza for literally parked up idling outside a school waiting for my brother... If i was revving etc then fair enough but nothing you can do. Just a piece of broken legislation that police use when they're feeling especially lazy/can't prove you done anything. Lazadude said:
Good luck, they're non-appealable/non-contestable. You can't do anything about them and there's no burden of proof on the issuance.. I got one in my impreza for literally parked up idling outside a school waiting for my brother... If i was revving etc then fair enough but nothing you can do. Just a piece of broken legislation that police use when they're feeling especially lazy/can't prove you done anything.
So you were sat at the side of the road minding your own business & got whacked with an unprovoked S59 
...… which bits of the story have you omitted....GT03ROB said:
So you were sat at the side of the road minding your own business & got whacked with an unprovoked S59 ...… which bits of the story have you omitted....
Literally none, Non standard impreza so loud I grant. School chucking out time, said car was anti social and s59 :shrug:. But being as I cant prove any of this it is what it is. My point was they are un-appealable/un-contestable. ...… which bits of the story have you omitted....Flumpo said:
From what I can gather police training changed in the mid 90s. Now they are trained that everyone is a threat and behave accordingly. It’s that training coupled with 90% of the people they come across being scum bags that’s makes them like this- I think.
My opinion of the police is still coloured by interactions with the police as a young lad driving (then) 'fast' cars in the late 70's early 80's. I never got got done for anything, but there was just downright aggression and offensive behaviour - clearly what they do is try to get a reaction.
It's always struck me as odd - most ordinary peoples' only interaction with the police would be through driving matters, so why do they make an arse of themselves? Perhaps less so these days with speed cameras etc and fewer patrolling officers but you still see it when you watch the various Police Stop type programmes and the way they deal with people depending on how old they are.
A mate of mine got an S59 for being parked up eating a McDonalds after work in his modified Golf because there was a car meet going on and they were dishing them out to everyone, he was on the other side of the car park on his own.
There's a lot of examples of S59 abuse by the police and I think it's a badly thought out piece of legislation.
FWIW, I attend a lot of car meets in a modified car and my interactions with the police have been 99% very positive.
There's a lot of examples of S59 abuse by the police and I think it's a badly thought out piece of legislation.
FWIW, I attend a lot of car meets in a modified car and my interactions with the police have been 99% very positive.
ksLazadude said:
GT03ROB said:
So you were sat at the side of the road minding your own business & got whacked with an unprovoked S59 ...… which bits of the story have you omitted....
Literally none, Non standard impreza so loud I grant. School chucking out time, said car was anti social and s59 :shrug:. But being as I cant prove any of this it is what it is. My point was they are un-appealable/un-contestable. ...… which bits of the story have you omitted....Lazadude said:
Literally none, Non standard impreza so loud I grant. School chucking out time, said car was anti social and s59 :shrug:. But being as I cant prove any of this it is what it is. My point was they are un-appealable/un-contestable.
Outside a school at kicking out time, loud exhaust & you leave the car idling. Switch the damn thing off, it's common sense. The 6th form girls would have been no less impressed.kiethton said:
Got one alongside my speeding summons - apparently positioning to the OS of a lane is "bullying other cars out of the way"
What would you call it? You know why you took that position, I know why you took it, so did plodYou can all make out you were victims, but a bit of common sense & it wouldn't have happened..
Greendubber said:
Quite possibly, especially if it's a regular meet on a public area and the locals are pissed off with it. Certainly sounds like a large meet if there were 6 police cars there from the off.
There is however no excuses for being unnecessarily rude to people. There's a time and place for speaking to people in a manner which they will understand that includes swearing (it's not an offence)
I've worked lots of similar events and had nothing but abuse off idiots who are intent on ignoring requests to leave, car meets are an absolute nightmare if people start moving onto new spots.
OP - if you dont like it complain, maybe also think about leaving next time people start acting like idiots.
OP - if you do complain, expect to be "targeted" by the police for "routine checks". When they can't find anything wrong with your car or your driving, they'lll simply make something up and prosecute you for it. After you inevitably lose in court, they'll follow you outside and threaten you in the court corridor.There is however no excuses for being unnecessarily rude to people. There's a time and place for speaking to people in a manner which they will understand that includes swearing (it's not an offence)
I've worked lots of similar events and had nothing but abuse off idiots who are intent on ignoring requests to leave, car meets are an absolute nightmare if people start moving onto new spots.
OP - if you dont like it complain, maybe also think about leaving next time people start acting like idiots.
Gameface said:
GT03ROB said:
You can all make out you were victims, but a bit of common sense & it wouldn't have happened..
Because the police are always right presumably?Greendubber said:
Well there you go, your loud car might sound OK to you but perhaps not everyone else wants to endure the noise.
Who knows if anyone else didn't want to endure the noise. All we can infer is that the police probably didn't appreciate the noise - for which there is no hard and fast limit anyway. It's pretty terrible that there is legislation which allows punishment to be dolled out on little more than a policeman's (or womans) feelings at the time. A bad mood can get you in trouble.Seems to me like the kind of thing you need when people loose respect for law enforcement - and it is certainly not the way to bring it back.
Would also be very interesting to see how many middle aged "respectable looking" people have been done for this in their Astons/AMGs etc - even though they are likely equally loud. I bet there's a bit of prejudice going on here too.
(BTW, I am not the kind of person to ever consider hanging around these meet ups, but I think a balanced view is important)
Flumpo said:
I’m afraid you’ve experienced what policing is like first hand.
I’ve had about 4 interactions with the police in my life. 1 very positive and they were very helpful, the other 3, I was treated worse than when the marines pulled Sadam out of that hole.Despite being very polite and having done no wrong what so ever.
From what I can gather police training changed in the mid 90s. Now they are trained that everyone is a threat and behave accordingly. It’s that training coupled with 90% of the people they come across being scum bags that’s makes them like this- I think.
As has been pointed out, this section of ph is monopolised by police so it’s your fault for being at a meet.
The wider problem is most normal law abiding people get a bit of a shock when faced with the police behaving like this. Which I think is why there seems to be an increase in anti police feeling generally.
The best thing you can do is move on, they have a tough job and you might need them one day. But unless you need them, stay well out of their way and go along with whatever they say. You don’t really have any other choice.
Sad but true. I’ve had about 4 interactions with the police in my life. 1 very positive and they were very helpful, the other 3, I was treated worse than when the marines pulled Sadam out of that hole.Despite being very polite and having done no wrong what so ever.
From what I can gather police training changed in the mid 90s. Now they are trained that everyone is a threat and behave accordingly. It’s that training coupled with 90% of the people they come across being scum bags that’s makes them like this- I think.
As has been pointed out, this section of ph is monopolised by police so it’s your fault for being at a meet.
The wider problem is most normal law abiding people get a bit of a shock when faced with the police behaving like this. Which I think is why there seems to be an increase in anti police feeling generally.
The best thing you can do is move on, they have a tough job and you might need them one day. But unless you need them, stay well out of their way and go along with whatever they say. You don’t really have any other choice.
I've been at the receiving end of police "patronising mode" - very annoying, but you are powerless.
GT03ROB said:
kiethton said:
Got one alongside my speeding summons - apparently positioning to the OS of a lane is "bullying other cars out of the way"
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