New law making merge in turn compulsory ....
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.... has come into force, alas this has been introduced in Poland and not the UK.
https://www.viatoll.pl/en/a/emergency-corridors-an...
https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7789/Artykul/23867...
https://polandin.com/44929405/zipper-merge-to-beco...
I know that the subject of merge in turn has been done to death on the forums, and the topic always forms two distinct camps who rarely agree with each other.
Perhaps the new law and the official rationale behind its introduction might convince the doubters, refuseniks & the ignorant to finally accept that merge in turn is the correct way of doing things.
However, I won’t be holding my breath, and I’m sure that there will still be many pages of posts disagreeing with the new law.
https://www.viatoll.pl/en/a/emergency-corridors-an...
https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7789/Artykul/23867...
https://polandin.com/44929405/zipper-merge-to-beco...
I know that the subject of merge in turn has been done to death on the forums, and the topic always forms two distinct camps who rarely agree with each other.
Perhaps the new law and the official rationale behind its introduction might convince the doubters, refuseniks & the ignorant to finally accept that merge in turn is the correct way of doing things.
However, I won’t be holding my breath, and I’m sure that there will still be many pages of posts disagreeing with the new law.
Mandat said:
.... has come into force, alas this has been introduced in Poland and not the UK.
https://www.viatoll.pl/en/a/emergency-corridors-an...
https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7789/Artykul/23867...
https://polandin.com/44929405/zipper-merge-to-beco...
I know that the subject of merge in turn has been done to death on the forums, and the topic always forms two distinct camps who rarely agree with each other.
Perhaps the new law and the official rationale behind its introduction might convince the doubters, refuseniks & the ignorant to finally accept that merge in turn is the correct way of doing things.
However, I won’t be holding my breath, and I’m sure that there will still be many pages of posts disagreeing with the new law.
UK motoring Law already stipulates that drivers should give priority to traffic already on a roundabout, that they should stop for a red light, that they shouldn't use a mobile phone whilst driving, that they should keep left on a motorway unless overtaking, etc., etc., etc.https://www.viatoll.pl/en/a/emergency-corridors-an...
https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7789/Artykul/23867...
https://polandin.com/44929405/zipper-merge-to-beco...
I know that the subject of merge in turn has been done to death on the forums, and the topic always forms two distinct camps who rarely agree with each other.
Perhaps the new law and the official rationale behind its introduction might convince the doubters, refuseniks & the ignorant to finally accept that merge in turn is the correct way of doing things.
However, I won’t be holding my breath, and I’m sure that there will still be many pages of posts disagreeing with the new law.
The problem in the UK is, we have far too many selfish drivers behind the wheel, who refuse to make room for other vehicles. We have far too many aggressive drivers behind the wheel, who try to bully and force other drivers out of their way. We have far too many distracted drivers, who, to this day, still think checking their twitter/facebook/whatsapp or whatever, is far more important whilst driving, than looking where they're going. And, we have too many incompetent drivers, who simply don't know what they're doing behind the wheel.
Just because something is written into Law, doesn't mean that everybody will automatically do it.
Mandat said:
Perhaps the new law and the official rationale behind its introduction might convince the doubters, refuseniks & the ignorant to finally accept that merge in turn is the correct way of doing things.
There are people that believe that the earth is flat and we haven't been to the moon. There will always be stupid people that refuse to accept the obvious, whatever it is.We have a couple of local roads where it goes from 2 to 1 lane with "please merge in turn" signs prominently displayed, very few seem to understand the principal.
In other countries it seems to work well, the same as when traffic becomes stationary on a dual carriageway (with no hard shoulder) they will leave enough room between lanes 1 & 2 for emergency vehicles. People in the UK only think of themselves mostly.
In other countries it seems to work well, the same as when traffic becomes stationary on a dual carriageway (with no hard shoulder) they will leave enough room between lanes 1 & 2 for emergency vehicles. People in the UK only think of themselves mostly.
4rephill said:
The problem in the UK is, we have far too many selfish drivers behind the wheel, who refuse to make room for other vehicles. We have far too many aggressive drivers behind the wheel, who try to bully and force other drivers out of their way. We have far too many distracted drivers, who, to this day, still think checking their twitter/facebook/whatsapp or whatever, is far more important whilst driving, than looking where they're going. And, we have too many incompetent drivers, who simply don't know what they're doing behind the wheel.
Just because something is written into Law, doesn't mean that everybody will automatically do it.
Not forgetting far too many drivers who think it's ok to pick and choose which laws people should comply with and which laws are optional.Just because something is written into Law, doesn't mean that everybody will automatically do it.
4rephill said:
The problem in the UK is, we have far too many selfish drivers behind the wheel, who refuse to make room for other vehicles. We have far too many aggressive drivers behind the wheel, who try to bully and force other drivers out of their way. We have far too many distracted drivers, who, to this day, still think checking their twitter/facebook/whatsapp or whatever, is far more important whilst driving, than looking where they're going. And, we have too many incompetent drivers, who simply don't know what they're doing behind the wheel.
Apart from the last bit that's not got anything to do with people not merging in properly.It's 50 percent ignorance, 50 percent social anxiety at perceived pushing in to a queue.
meatballs said:
Apart from the last bit that's not got anything to do with people not merging in properly.
It's 50 percent ignorance, 50 percent social anxiety at perceived pushing in to a queue.
Could you define "merging in properly"? And rank the following in terms of priority/importanceIt's 50 percent ignorance, 50 percent social anxiety at perceived pushing in to a queue.
Merging as closely to the end as possible
Merging safely
Not causing other drivers to have to take avoiding action
Safety
I think you're right about the "social anxiety" aspect. The reason people feel anxious about doing it is because they can see how a "bad" merge p155es off everybody in the queue because 25 people have to brake in order to allow one person to join after they have overtaken as many people as possible.
For the avoidance of doubt I have no problems with people merging a the beginning/middle/end of a queue. I do all 3 depending on volume/speed of traffic and the availability of gaps. What is irritating is when somebody drives to the end of the queue, expecting there to be a gap and forcing their way in when there isn't one. That's twunitsh driving and being pereived as a twunt is what causes the social anxiety.
Countdown said:
Could you define "merging in properly"? And rank the following in terms of priority/importance
Merging as closely to the end as possible
Merging safely
Not causing other drivers to have to take avoiding action
Safety
I think you're right about the "social anxiety" aspect. The reason people feel anxious about doing it is because they can see how a "bad" merge p155es off everybody in the queue because 25 people have to brake in order to allow one person to join after they have overtaken as many people as possible.
For the avoidance of doubt I have no problems with people merging a the beginning/middle/end of a queue. I do all 3 depending on volume/speed of traffic and the availability of gaps. What is irritating is when somebody drives to the end of the queue, expecting there to be a gap and forcing their way in when there isn't one. That's twunitsh driving and being pereived as a twunt is what causes the social anxiety.
Merging safety, but you can't merge in turn without drivers taking "avoiding actions". They basically have to make room for each other.Merging as closely to the end as possible
Merging safely
Not causing other drivers to have to take avoiding action
Safety
I think you're right about the "social anxiety" aspect. The reason people feel anxious about doing it is because they can see how a "bad" merge p155es off everybody in the queue because 25 people have to brake in order to allow one person to join after they have overtaken as many people as possible.
For the avoidance of doubt I have no problems with people merging a the beginning/middle/end of a queue. I do all 3 depending on volume/speed of traffic and the availability of gaps. What is irritating is when somebody drives to the end of the queue, expecting there to be a gap and forcing their way in when there isn't one. That's twunitsh driving and being pereived as a twunt is what causes the social anxiety.
There shouldn't be a queue of people to overtake if it's working properly. When arriving at the back of the queue you should be met with two lines of equal length (+-1 car), and join the shortest one. Both queues should go at the same pace.
Obviously it's highly unlikely in practice for it to be perfect, but if you join the left queue when there's a couple of car spaces on the right you are kinda making the situation worse, because that queue then gets longer and longer and people are seen to be "twunting" when joining the shorter queue on the right.
Driving up to the obstruction and negotiating a merge in position between two cars in the opposite lane at the same pace before you reach it is the way to do it.
Oh on the subject here's me twunting - I felt a bit of a bugger doing it but that queue had just started poking out onto the motorway creating a dangerous situation. I'm not sure why popo kept flashing his light at me as I'm obviously not going to drive into him otherwise the merge would have been smoother with less of a gap.
https://youtu.be/CBHYuRoffxs
Edited by meatballs on Thursday 12th December 20:05
I find the worst places just outside London. London area say inside North and South circular you can drive like a complete kn*b and people rarely flash.
Worst areas seem to be towns just outside M25 people go berserk sometimes.
Twice I have had people go nuts here both times I have been in right lane traffic free flowing with an easy gap put indicator on to show merging left and they went nuts flashing lights, hand gestures.
Worst areas seem to be towns just outside M25 people go berserk sometimes.
Twice I have had people go nuts here both times I have been in right lane traffic free flowing with an easy gap put indicator on to show merging left and they went nuts flashing lights, hand gestures.
4rephill said:
Just because something is written into Law, doesn't mean that everybody will automatically do it.
Centurion07 said:
There will always be stupid people that refuse to accept the obvious, whatever it is.
You're both quite right that some people will continue to ignore or purposefully block a merge in turn.However, the fact that merge in turn is now officially sanctioned and compulsory in law (at least in Poland), it will remove the the spurious arguments put forward by the non-believers. Also, the risk of police fines will help them modify their non-compliant behaviour.
Countdown said:
What is irritating is when somebody drives to the end of the queue, expecting there to be a gap and forcing their way in when there isn't one. That's twunitsh driving and being pereived as a twunt is what causes the social anxiety.
The new law will help to put a stop such social anxiety.The whole point of the new law is to ensure that drivers leave a sufficient gap at the merge point for the merging drivers to merge into.
The twunts (as you put it) who don't leave a sufficient gap, or who block a merge will be at risk of a police fine.
meatballs said:
Merging safety, but you can't merge in turn without drivers taking "avoiding actions". They basically have to make room for each other.
There shouldn't be a queue of people to overtake if it's working properly. When arriving at the back of the queue you should be met with two lines of equal length (+-1 car), and join the shortest one. Both queues should go at the same pace.
Obviously it's highly unlikely in practice for it to be perfect, but if you join the left queue when there's a couple of car spaces on the right you are kinda making the situation worse, because that queue then gets longer and longer and people are seen to be "twunting" when joining the shorter queue on the right.
Driving up to the obstruction and negotiating a merge in position between two cars in the opposite lane at the same pace before you reach it is the way to do it.
The basic issue is that in general people do merge in turn but if the traffic is too heavy to enable a free flow into the narrow point then the move in turn point moves back and people start queuing, but they shouldn't as you say. They should queue in their lanes.There shouldn't be a queue of people to overtake if it's working properly. When arriving at the back of the queue you should be met with two lines of equal length (+-1 car), and join the shortest one. Both queues should go at the same pace.
Obviously it's highly unlikely in practice for it to be perfect, but if you join the left queue when there's a couple of car spaces on the right you are kinda making the situation worse, because that queue then gets longer and longer and people are seen to be "twunting" when joining the shorter queue on the right.
Driving up to the obstruction and negotiating a merge in position between two cars in the opposite lane at the same pace before you reach it is the way to do it.
Mandat said:
However, the fact that merge in turn is now officially sanctioned and compulsory in law (at least in Poland), it will remove the the spurious arguments put forward by the non-believers. Also, the risk of police fines will help them modify their non-compliant behaviour.
It hasn't done much for MLM's.Centurion07 said:
Mandat said:
However, the fact that merge in turn is now officially sanctioned and compulsory in law (at least in Poland), it will remove the the spurious arguments put forward by the non-believers. Also, the risk of police fines will help them modify their non-compliant behaviour.
It hasn't done much for MLM's.Or people who believe they drive better after a couple of alcoholic drinks.
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