Radar Jammers - not advised!
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A specialist company has been trying to jam or scramble the RFID for 18 months apparently, no joy.
Clone plates wont happen either, the design of the RFID and its encryption mean that a bogus plate will be spotted a mile away (well 100m
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I like the microwave idea though, only snag is you cant remove the plates from the car and the "zap" will get all the other electronics in the car if you're not careful ... possibilities there though - good idea.
I actually dont mind a whole host of benefits that the system might bring, the thing I dont like is average speed between 2 points ... 21 years late but 1984 is here.
Clone plates wont happen either, the design of the RFID and its encryption mean that a bogus plate will be spotted a mile away (well 100m
) I like the microwave idea though, only snag is you cant remove the plates from the car and the "zap" will get all the other electronics in the car if you're not careful ... possibilities there though - good idea.
I actually dont mind a whole host of benefits that the system might bring, the thing I dont like is average speed between 2 points ... 21 years late but 1984 is here.
whilst I knew it was on its way, having just seen it in action on the e plate web site posted, I am feeling quite sick .
so in a way, thanks for posting..
rgds
bill
cptsideways said:
I'd be interested to know who's "behind" this lot....
<a href="www.e-plate.com">www.e-plate.com</a>
<a href="www.patent.gov.uk/tm/tmj/journals/6536/domestic/2326295.html">www.patent.gov.uk/tm/tmj/journals/6536/domestic/2326295.html</a>
<a href="www.hillsnumberplates.com/dvla_cons.html">www.hillsnumberplates.com/dvla_cons.html</a>
www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=123899
www.dvla.gov.uk/public/consult/ria-rnps.htm
>> Edited by cptsideways on Wednesday 8th June 10:05
voiceofdoom said:
I like the microwave idea though, only snag is you cant remove the plates from the car and the "zap" will get all the other electronics in the car if you're not careful ... possibilities there though - good idea.
Got the idea from Full Metal Panic, who says cartoons are just for kids
There are also times when sledgehammer thinking is required for some walnuts...Bah, there will be ways around it, there always are!
As per banning detectors, if we LOOK at a scamera will it turn us into stone?
Are we to close our eyes around cameras at accident blackspots just incase we detect a scamera and slow down?
I can't help but think this whole idea is stupid.
Ah well, lets hope someone decides to develop a neural network AI that actually "watches" the road ahead through a camera and LOOKS for trafpol, scameras and mobile scams and alerts us to it.
That should only be 4-5 years away, and surely they can't ban visual detectors?
Could even tie this into the GPS data for scam locations, as they will get better and better and "live". Ie, you see a mobile scamera, and you press a button on the RoadAngel 5 and it updates the database with it there and then kinda thing....
Dave
As per banning detectors, if we LOOK at a scamera will it turn us into stone?
Are we to close our eyes around cameras at accident blackspots just incase we detect a scamera and slow down?
I can't help but think this whole idea is stupid.
Ah well, lets hope someone decides to develop a neural network AI that actually "watches" the road ahead through a camera and LOOKS for trafpol, scameras and mobile scams and alerts us to it.
That should only be 4-5 years away, and surely they can't ban visual detectors?
Could even tie this into the GPS data for scam locations, as they will get better and better and "live". Ie, you see a mobile scamera, and you press a button on the RoadAngel 5 and it updates the database with it there and then kinda thing....
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
Is it then illegal for a "pedestrian" to walk along with a radio transmitter or "noise" generator and just jam any signals to and from the ANPR/detector device.
Can imagine a whole motorway of cars flying along and the ANPR not getting the RFID signal back and flagging about 10,000 cars as suspect.
Still a totally flawed system that is and will be open to abuse. An individual jammping the signal will be "singled out" as the ANPR doesn't get the RFID, but even then, who could tell is was YOU jamming it. Having a hand-help or non-attached jammer (ie, mobile phone sized thing plugged into cig lighter), and remove it.
Also, it's not illegal to own a radio transmitter. Look how often them shop things go off when people are not actually stealing things!
Dave
Maybe this is the real agenda that the obviously unworkable GPS congestion charging story is meant to soften us up for. However, on ways to defeat the system. If it were possible to have a device which disabled the chip, particularly if the device was portable, anyone possessing such a device could have fun walking up and down the street, or in a car park disabling huge numbers at a time. It would only take a relatively small number of people prepared to do this to make the system unworkable. The RFID readers would also be vulnerable, except on major routes. So all in all it's not quite the panacea that might at first be imagined.
See http://rfidtimes.blogspot.com/2005/03/rfid-tagzapper-invented.html for example.
branflakes said:
Clause 17 of the Road Safety Bill gives the Secretary of State the power to prohibit the fitting of, or the use of vehicles carrying, speed assessment equipment detection devices. It defines such devices as a device one or more of whose purposes is to interfere with or detect the operation of equipment used to assess the speed of motor vehicles.
Does this mean you can't look at your speedometer?
Or use your eyes to spot the scameras????
Yup, zap em. Once you own anything you should be able to zap it.
OK, you don't own the number plate maybe under new rules, but they can't ban zapping the RFID full-stop.
I expect damage to such devices to be more widespread than that to scameras etc.
I bet there are laws to protect them though, like 9 years in prison, and if you do your "as good as a murderer" as it's for safety etc...
Down with em all I say. Maybe even David Edgar will find some way around them
Dave
OK, you don't own the number plate maybe under new rules, but they can't ban zapping the RFID full-stop.
I expect damage to such devices to be more widespread than that to scameras etc.
I bet there are laws to protect them though, like 9 years in prison, and if you do your "as good as a murderer" as it's for safety etc...
Down with em all I say. Maybe even David Edgar will find some way around them
Dave
DOT said:
It is for this reason that we propose to prohibit devices that prevent or interfere with this police activity………………. It defines such devices as a device one or more of whose purposes is to interfere with or detect the operation of equipment used to assess the speed of motor vehicles.
woodies92 said:I assume you mean Lidar (laser radar)
I think you can still use your 'garage door opener' as opening garage doors is the only purpose. Blocking radar is more like a side effect
Sorry to wizz on your fire. Don’t misjudge me; I’m as unhappy about this as everyone else. I must deduce this proposed ruling will include IR (laser or LED) based dual purpose rangefinders and garage door openers.
I’ve said this twice but I’ll say it again. A real garage door opener or rangefinder has little output power; they need only work for up to 20 meters, or at a very narrow angle, hence they won’t affect the operation of a Lidar unit operating (at a distance). A jammer must cover a large surface area over hundreds of meters, therefore needing lots of tx power. Intent can easily be proven (by the likes of me), so I won’t be risking it.
A lidar detector won’t offer total protection, unless you can always scrub off the excess speed within 300mS of your alarm being triggered. It is good for telling you if you have a NIP in the post, assuming you were above the limit.
modernbeat said:
Time to figure out a cheap way of having your car registered on foreign plates methinks.
Sort it all in one fell swoop?
I've volunteered to do this for PHs before. If you want US-Texas plates, it's a bit of paperwork to make it right, but it's a do-able thing.
Details?
Sean
modernbeat said:
Time to figure out a cheap way of having your car registered on foreign plates methinks.
Sort it all in one fell swoop?
I've volunteered to do this for PHs before. If you want US-Texas plates, it's a bit of paperwork to make it right, but it's a do-able thing.
Only trouble with US plates is how the "genuine" car would have got to the UK in the first place. A european plate would be far more subtle and less likely to be called into question (apart from being attached to a RHD car).
modernbeat said:
[quote=Bedford Rascal]Time to figure out a cheap way of having your car registered on foreign plates methinks.
Sort it all in one fell swoop?
Definatly should have done this - register car in US, bring it to UK - savings as follows:
1) Get a cheaper car (www.autotrader.com)
2) Pay just 6% Tax on vehicle - instead of UK's 28% combined VAT/Import Duty (a saving of over £10,000 on a Viper for example)
3) Car has no front numberplate - also good for a low profile.
4) Drive car as extension of US insurance (example: Dodge Viper - Adrian Flux wanted £4800 for years insurance, extension of US overseas policy is under £300 - Geiko)
5) No exchange treaty, no vehicle tracking, no part of no steenkin' inter-Euro database etc etc...
Only drawback is the car should only stay in UK for a limited time, officially 6 months - so £2000 bill a year for sending car back and forth (which if you do for 5 years, is only the cost I just recently parted for in tax anyway). Maybe a good idea for a summer car - import in May, send it back in October.
I'd buy that for a Dollar...
The DOT said:"... people who speed, in particular in covert operations" - do they mean back-street abortionists?
It is essential for the safety of all road users that the police can undertake speed enforcement to identify people who speed, in particular in covert operations.
Oh for someone who can write grammatically!
Streaky
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