Another classic case of double standards

Another classic case of double standards

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xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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La Liga said:
Why has a mod removed one of Yonex’s posts and edited it out from mine and VH’s replie?

Unless PH has a new ‘stupid’ threshold, it didn’t appear to break any rules.
Probably fed up of your pathetic arguing!

Grow up all of you FFS.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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xjay1337 said:
La Liga said:
Why has a mod removed one of Yonex’s posts and edited it out from mine and VH’s reply?

Unless PH has a new ‘stupid’ threshold, it didn’t appear to break any rules.
Probably fed up of your pathetic arguing!

Grow up all of you FFS.
You’re probably on the wrong site if you don’t like debate / arguments about matters.




Graveworm

8,476 posts

70 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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dunc_sx said:
Good post Kawasicki smile

On the subject of suspended sentences, I've always struggled to understand how they compare to time in jail. For example for a hypothetical crime of x severity, would a 2 year suspended sentence be equal to ? months in jail?

So if someone committed a crime which was judged to be worth 6 months of jail time but they were deemed unsuitable for jail time what would the deferred sentence time be? 3 years?

Dunc.
6 months custody is the same whether it is suspended or not. That's what seems to be being disregarded by those who need this to be unfair.

The flowchart is how serious is the offence and where does it sit on the sentencing guidelines.? Does it meet the custody threshold? Take into account aggravating and mitigating factors - what is the minimum jail term that must be passed. That's the sentence.

Then if it is under 2 years it should it be suspended? If suspended what additional conditions should be imposed.

Greendubber

13,128 posts

202 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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xjay1337 said:
La Liga said:
Why has a mod removed one of Yonex’s posts and edited it out from mine and VH’s replie?

Unless PH has a new ‘stupid’ threshold, it didn’t appear to break any rules.
Probably fed up of your pathetic arguing!

Grow up all of you FFS.
Pathetic arguing? I saw it as correcting people who clearly didn't understand what they were getting angry about.

Nothing wrong with that.

popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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"...prompting Judge Simon Berkson to interject saying: “They were playing a game that I’m afraid teenagers have been playing in this country [for decades"."

I think there was probably a good deal more menace involved than the Judge has considered. Possibly read Enid Blyton or Tom Brown during his childhood, didn't grow up on an estate near Chester. Two positives out of this though - the woman will think twice before using her car as a dangerous weapon, and the lad and his mates might be deterred from making life miserable for people who live near them.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Greendubber said:
xjay1337 said:
La Liga said:
Why has a mod removed one of Yonex’s posts and edited it out from mine and VH’s replie?

Unless PH has a new ‘stupid’ threshold, it didn’t appear to break any rules.
Probably fed up of your pathetic arguing!

Grow up all of you FFS.
Pathetic arguing? I saw it as correcting people who clearly didn't understand what they were getting angry about.

Nothing wrong with that.
Agree, nothing wrong with a good argument. What was in the deleted posts? Unless it was something pretty strong it seems a bit pathetic to remove them.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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popeyewhite said:
"...prompting Judge Simon Berkson to interject saying: “They were playing a game that I’m afraid teenagers have been playing in this country [for decades"."

I think there was probably a good deal more menace involved than the Judge has considered. Possibly read Enid Blyton or Tom Brown during his childhood, didn't grow up on an estate near Chester. Two positives out of this though - the woman will think twice before using her car as a dangerous weapon, and the lad and his mates might be deterred from making life miserable for people who live near them.
I think the nativity is on your part if you think a criminal crown court judge isn’t well aware of how people commit crimes behave and think.


dunc_sx

1,607 posts

196 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Graveworm said:
6 months custody is the same whether it is suspended or not. That's what seems to be being disregarded by those who need this to be unfair.
That doesn't seem quite right though does it? If someone asked me whether I wanted to be put in jail for 6 months or stay at home with famliy/friends etc then (obviously) I'd take the latter. As would anyone else, that's why the two punishments are not like for like. In fact if I were offered 2 years suspended or 6 months in jail I'd pick the 2 years suspended in a blink of an eye.

Dunc.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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dunc_sx said:
Graveworm said:
6 months custody is the same whether it is suspended or not. That's what seems to be being disregarded by those who need this to be unfair.
That doesn't seem quite right though does it? If someone asked me whether I wanted to be put in jail for 6 months or stay at home with famliy/friends etc then (obviously) I'd take the latter. As would anyone else, that's why the two punishments are not like for like. In fact if I were offered 2 years suspended or 6 months in jail I'd pick the 2 years suspended in a blink of an eye.

Dunc.
As you say, practically suspension is a more favorable outcome vs serving is immediately.


Suspension is either available or not. The criteria are either met or not. In order to suggest there are some double standards the individual circumstances of cases would need to be assessed to see if there are differing outcomes based on the criteria presented by males and females.

I'm having to fill in the blanks as expecting the OP to present anything half-intelligent or reasonably cohesive is clearly too-high-an-expectation.

The debate has evolved into a severity comparison between the respective offences and sentencing, but that's not a double standards argument.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,246 posts

149 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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yonex said:
Breadvan72 said:
Those of you who clamour for jail sentences in motoring cases and various other cases that do not involve things such as rape and other violence - what do you think jail sentences achieve?

The thread title has, BTW, been pretty comprehensively debunked above. No double standards at all. I wonder will the OP be along to say "Oops, sorry ,my sexist codswallop thread is sexist codswallop"?
You’re not the brightest so I’ll try and help.
rofl

I've seen some crazy st in my 57 years on the planet, but Yonex telling BV he's not the brightest is right up there. Will only be surpassed when I hear Anne Widdicombe tell Liz Hurley that she's not much to look at. hehe

popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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La Liga said:
think the nativity is on your part if you think a criminal crown court judge isn’t well aware of how people commit crimes behave and think.
Do you mean naivete? I didn't mention anything about the virgin birth confused

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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popeyewhite said:
La Liga said:
think the nativity is on your part if you think a criminal crown court judge isn’t well aware of how people commit crimes behave and think.
Do you mean naivete? I didn't mention anything about the virgin birth confused
biggrin

1-0 to autocorrect.

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Breadvan72 said:
They will never take the hook out of their mouths - it's embedded. It must be weird to go through life being fed on a diet of synthetic outrage, always convinced that there's some sort of establishment conspiracy to favour [insert group that you hate the most - for PH that is usually women]. Meanwhile, you don't notice all the genuinely terrible things being done by the same sort of people as those who are feeding you the diet. You really can fool quite a lot of the people all of the time.
I don’t have a reason to believe there is double standards based on sex.

I do find it incredible that somebody that someone who drives dangerously could be given the same punishment as somebody that intentionally drives at and strikes people.

SCEtoAUX

4,119 posts

80 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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yonex said:
Breadvan72 said:
Those of you who clamour for jail sentences in motoring cases and various other cases that do not involve things such as rape and other violence - what do you think jail sentences achieve?

The thread title has, BTW, been pretty comprehensively debunked above. No double standards at all. I wonder will the OP be along to say "Oops, sorry ,my sexist codswallop thread is sexist codswallop"?
You’re not the brightest so I’ll try and help.

It’s not been debunked at all. Bikers jailed for 153mph yet this bint tries to kill a couple of kids and gets let off?

What are you struggling with, apart from everything?
Oh my aching sides... Breadvan is a legal expert.

Graveworm

8,476 posts

70 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Kawasicki said:
I don’t have a reason to believe there is double standards based on sex.

I do find it incredible that somebody that someone who drives dangerously could be given the same punishment as somebody that intentionally drives at and strikes people.
It would be incredible but it's not the case she was given 2-5 times the punishment of the bikers.

Ken Figenus

5,678 posts

116 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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I think the key issue on this back and forth is that many of us see little value or real punishment in any suspended sentence. I'd suggest she needed proper punishment for actually driving over a kid purposefully - not a 'do it again and you are in real trouble'. Even just 5 days in prison would cause major upheaval and actually punish.

But they know they get away with it... Look at this clip - its excellent and the police get their man, only for nothing much to happen about the reckless and dangerous riding afterwards. Proper punishment suspended. People are far more likely to go to prison for a VAT fiddle...

https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/watch-we-...

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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JimSuperSix said:
Greendubber said:
xjay1337 said:
La Liga said:
Why has a mod removed one of Yonex’s posts and edited it out from mine and VH’s replie?

Unless PH has a new ‘stupid’ threshold, it didn’t appear to break any rules.
Probably fed up of your pathetic arguing!

Grow up all of you FFS.
Pathetic arguing? I saw it as correcting people who clearly didn't understand what they were getting angry about.

Nothing wrong with that.
Agree, nothing wrong with a good argument. What was in the deleted posts? Unless it was something pretty strong it seems a bit pathetic to remove them.
I don't think it was a good argument. Started to get personal and bhy.
Also, sometimes when you clearly aren't getting through to someone, you may as well leave it.
But heaven forbid, this is PH.
Postcount matters.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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xjay1337 said:
JimSuperSix said:
Greendubber said:
xjay1337 said:
La Liga said:
Why has a mod removed one of Yonex’s posts and edited it out from mine and VH’s replie?

Unless PH has a new ‘stupid’ threshold, it didn’t appear to break any rules.
Probably fed up of your pathetic arguing!

Grow up all of you FFS.
Pathetic arguing? I saw it as correcting people who clearly didn't understand what they were getting angry about.

Nothing wrong with that.
Agree, nothing wrong with a good argument. What was in the deleted posts? Unless it was something pretty strong it seems a bit pathetic to remove them.
I don't think it was a good argument. Started to get personal and bhy.
Also, sometimes when you clearly aren't getting through to someone, you may as well leave it.
But heaven forbid, this is PH.
Postcount matters.
Physician, heal thyself!

Greendubber

13,128 posts

202 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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xjay1337 said:
JimSuperSix said:
Greendubber said:
xjay1337 said:
La Liga said:
Why has a mod removed one of Yonex’s posts and edited it out from mine and VH’s replie?

Unless PH has a new ‘stupid’ threshold, it didn’t appear to break any rules.
Probably fed up of your pathetic arguing!

Grow up all of you FFS.
Pathetic arguing? I saw it as correcting people who clearly didn't understand what they were getting angry about.

Nothing wrong with that.
Agree, nothing wrong with a good argument. What was in the deleted posts? Unless it was something pretty strong it seems a bit pathetic to remove them.
I don't think it was a good argument. Started to get personal and bhy.
Also, sometimes when you clearly aren't getting through to someone, you may as well leave it.
But heaven forbid, this is PH.
Postcount matters.
The OP got personal and bhy by accusing someone who clearly knows the subject better than him of being brainwashed by the law. He also told BV he stupid, due to explaining the subject to him, the usual Yonex defence mechanism.

So if anyone being a bh, it's the OP. I take your point about leaving it though as it appears it doesn't matter how many times something is explained to someone you just cant understand it for them.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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The irony of having a jab at post count whilst having a higher post / time ratio than most along with two posts in the topic that add nothing.

OP appears to have cut his losses which is surprisingly smart for him.

In terms of suspended sentences. They do help to reduce prison numbers (we run nearly fill all the time) and, without looking it up, I expect the reoffending rates are less than a short immediate sentence.