Other driver pranged barrier while overtaking.

[CABC]

Dont like rolls said:

Do you ever overtake ?

quite a lot thank you.
with anticipation i often get a slingshot out of a bend to make up for my "lack of HP", and in some cases i also have the HP (350).

we all make mistakes and sometimes the really unpredictable can catch us out.
the outcome for the pickup feels entirely predictable to me.

[Dont like rolls]

CABC said:

quite a lot thank you.
with anticipation i often get a slingshot out of a bend to make up for my "lack of HP", and in some cases i also have the HP (350).

we all make mistakes and sometimes the really unpredictable can catch us out.
the outcome for the pickup feels entirely predictable to me.

Every road in my area would fail your tests in my area if it is based on that road being a no-no (not that we have many that well sighted)

[lyonspride]

Solocle said:

I got overtaken yesterday by an idiot... I was signalling right on my bicycle at the time. The overtake initiated after I had started signalling. Fortunately, I heard it, so didn't make the turn... and then the idiot wasn't even driving as quickly as I would be riding!

So yes, I avoided the collision, but a stupid overtake nontheless (especially seeing as I don't have mirrors!).

Yeah, this happened to me several times commuting to work by bike last summer. I posted a video of one woman doing this onto a local social media page, according to half the people who saw the video, it was my fault for not being in the cycle lane........ Because of course cyclists are only allowed to turn left.......

[meatballs]

CABC said:

quite a lot thank you.
with anticipation i often get a slingshot out of a bend to make up for my "lack of HP", and in some cases i also have the HP (350).

we all make mistakes and sometimes the really unpredictable can catch us out.
the outcome for the pickup feels entirely predictable to me.

The slingshot technique. Approved by advanced drivers everywhere.

[CharlieH89]

So the 4x4 was doing a legal overtake.

I guess it's upto the insurance company to decide whether the actions of the OPs wife making a movement into the lane that the 4x4 is in and making the 4x4 avoid the collision means that the liability is on her.

If the overtake hadn't already begun then the 4x4 just would have slowed down as there is nowhere to go.
If the overtake had begun, which it seems it has, then the OPs wife has gone into the path of the 4x4 and made it hit an object.

Is that an offence?

[Pothole]

Dont like rolls said:

PF62 said:

Don't be stupid - the 4x4 driver simply fked up their overtake and stuffed it into the armco when they panicked.


Other stuff does not matter

No ...he took avoiding action after being forced to. As there was an overtaking car the other driver should not of pulled out.

Nobody "forced" anyone to do anything.

[Dont like rolls]

Pothole said:

Nobody "forced" anyone to do anything.

Really, who told you that ?

[Pothole]

Dont like rolls said:

Pothole said:

Nobody "forced" anyone to do anything.

Really, who told you that ?

Who told you they did?

[Dont like rolls]

OP's wife

"My wife pulled out to overtake the sticking out bit "

[DJP]

Too many imponderables IMO.

Either the OP’s missus pulled out in front of the 4x4 and caused him to crash or he crashed entirely on his own and sought to blame someone else.

Without dash cam footage we’ll never know and it’ll go 50/50 on the insurance.

[Pothole]

Dont like rolls said:

OP's wife

"My wife pulled out to overtake the sticking out bit "

The overtake was unwise on the other driver's part as he should have allowed for potential issues with the bus before making his decision. He is now seeking to blame the OP's wife for his poor decision-making. I wouldn't be surprised if he's tried it on with the bus driver and the bus company, too.

[Dont like rolls]

The bus caused him no problems, another driver pulling out without checking their mirror did.

[Graveworm]

Pothole said:

The overtake was unwise on the other driver's part as he should have allowed for potential issues with the bus before making his decision. He is now seeking to blame the OP's wife for his poor decision-making. I wouldn't be surprised if he's tried it on with the bus driver and the bus company, too.

His bad decision making may have contributed to the accident. That doesn't make him necessarily to blame & certainly not entirely to blame. It's fashionable to call out victim blaming but that does seem to be going on here at little. It was his own fault in not realising that someone else might do something wrong, so should have avoided the situation altogether. Not wearing a hard hat on a building site is wrong, but the people who dropped the hammer, without looking, don't get absolved of blame.

[stuarthat]

popeyewhite said:

If the guy in the 4x4 was trying to overtake and your wife didn't see him then it's her fault I would have thought. You say she told you she checked her mirror, but side mirror?

How so it’s a single lane with a bus stop ,points towards the 4x4 inpatient and going for a complete overtake ,bus pulls in lady slows then moves to pass the bus (single lane ) 4x4 goes for a greedy overtake and fails .

[Dont like rolls]

stuarthat said:

How so it’s a single lane with a bus stop ,points towards the 4x4 inpatient and going for a complete overtake ,bus pulls in lady slows then pulls out without looking to pass the bus (single lane ) 4x4 who is almost alongside her overtake and has to bin it to avoid HER.

Fixed your non-thinking for you.
Also, please check the Law and Highway Code before you drive again.

[Sticks.]

Dont like rolls said:

stuarthat said:

How so it’s a single lane with a bus stop ,points towards the 4x4 inpatient and going for a complete overtake ,bus pulls in lady slows then pulls out without looking to pass the bus (single lane ) 4x4 who is almost alongside her overtake and has to bin it to avoid HER.

Fixed your non-thinking for you.
Also, please check the Law and Highway Code before you drive again.

Who said he was almost alongside her, apart from you? Did I miss it?

[Pothole]

Graveworm said:

Pothole said:

The overtake was unwise on the other driver's part as he should have allowed for potential issues with the bus before making his decision. He is now seeking to blame the OP's wife for his poor decision-making. I wouldn't be surprised if he's tried it on with the bus driver and the bus company, too.

His bad decision making may have contributed to the accident. That doesn't make him necessarily to blame & certainly not entirely to blame. It's fashionable to call out victim blaming but that does seem to be going on here at little. It was his own fault in not realising that someone else might do something wrong, so should have avoided the situation altogether. Not wearing a hard hat on a building site is wrong, but the people who dropped the hammer, without looking, don't get absolved of blame.

So you admit it was a bad decision? Without it, nothing untoward would have happened. That suggests it's entirely his fault, just by your logic, doesn't it?

[Graveworm]

Pothole said:

Graveworm said:

Pothole said:

The overtake was unwise on the other driver's part as he should have allowed for potential issues with the bus before making his decision. He is now seeking to blame the OP's wife for his poor decision-making. I wouldn't be surprised if he's tried it on with the bus driver and the bus company, too.

His bad decision making may have contributed to the accident. That doesn't make him necessarily to blame & certainly not entirely to blame. It's fashionable to call out victim blaming but that does seem to be going on here at little. It was his own fault in not realising that someone else might do something wrong, so should have avoided the situation altogether. Not wearing a hard hat on a building site is wrong, but the people who dropped the hammer, without looking, don't get absolved of blame.

So you admit it was a bad decision? Without it, nothing untoward would have happened. That suggests it's entirely his fault, just by your logic, doesn't it?

Pretty clear Post Hoc fallacy. The fact that not doing something, would have avoided a negative outcome doesn't make the act causal. Putting a bus stop there, without a big enough lay-by was probably a mistake, it is not to blame.
Its at least as probative to say that, if the OPs wife had waited, until it was safe to pull out it wouldn't have happened. Why doesn't your process say it is entirely her fault?
Even if the mistake was contributory it doesn't automatically follow it's ENTIRELY their fault.

[Pothole]

Graveworm said:

Pothole said:

Graveworm said:

Pothole said:

The overtake was unwise on the other driver's part as he should have allowed for potential issues with the bus before making his decision. He is now seeking to blame the OP's wife for his poor decision-making. I wouldn't be surprised if he's tried it on with the bus driver and the bus company, too.

His bad decision making may have contributed to the accident. That doesn't make him necessarily to blame & certainly not entirely to blame. It's fashionable to call out victim blaming but that does seem to be going on here at little. It was his own fault in not realising that someone else might do something wrong, so should have avoided the situation altogether. Not wearing a hard hat on a building site is wrong, but the people who dropped the hammer, without looking, don't get absolved of blame.

So you admit it was a bad decision? Without it, nothing untoward would have happened. That suggests it's entirely his fault, just by your logic, doesn't it?

Pretty clear Post Hoc fallacy. The fact that not doing something, would have avoided a negative outcome doesn't make the act causal. Putting a bus stop there, without a big enough lay-by was probably a mistake, it is not to blame.
Its at least as probative to say that, if the OPs wife had waited, until it was safe to pull out it wouldn't have happened. Why doesn't your process say it is entirely her fault?
Even if the mistake was contributory it doesn't automatically follow it's ENTIRELY their fault.

So it's 50/50 ? In that case the pick up driver is probably best off just fixing the damage, isn't he?

[Dont like rolls]

Sticks. said:

Dont like rolls said:

stuarthat said:

How so it’s a single lane with a bus stop ,points towards the 4x4 inpatient and going for a complete overtake ,bus pulls in lady slows then pulls out without looking to pass the bus (single lane ) 4x4 who is almost alongside her overtake and has to bin it to avoid HER.

Fixed your non-thinking for you.
Also, please check the Law and Highway Code before you drive again.

Who said he was almost alongside her, apart from you? Did I miss it?

I said the following

who is --------almost ----------alongside her And if you think for a second, he was close enough that he had to bin it and : that she "heard a scraping sound"



Ask yourself:
What could of happened if she had NOT pulled out on an overtaking car, do you think he might of passed them or is there some force that would have made him bin ?

What does it say about overtaking cars in the HwayCode when you see them in the mirror....does it say Pull out and it will be their problem ?

Edited by Dont like rolls on Saturday 25th January 15:45