E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?

[Some Gump]

sospan said:

Last month we were in Cardiff. The Deliveroo cyclists were ridiculous. There were a lot of them. Most were e-bikes and weaving in and out of pedestrians at speed through pedestrianised areas. We had a couple of near misses.

Imo more indicative of the calibre of person rather than any link to the mode of transport?

You always see terribly parked bashed up Micras loitering outside my local dominoes causing an obstruction. Whenever i've been in mcdonalds, there's always a swarm of deliveroo types with their phones on loud vokeume, giving the smaccies staff attitude and generally being obnoxious s.

Obvs not 100% of delivery drivers are like this, but it's the aholes you notice - just like cyclists!

[Toltec]

Some Gump said:

Imo more indicative of the calibre of person rather than any link to the mode of transport?

You always see terribly parked bashed up Micras loitering outside my local dominoes causing an obstruction. Whenever i've been in mcdonalds, there's always a swarm of deliveroo types with their phones on loud vokeume, giving the smaccies staff attitude and generally being obnoxious s.

Obvs not 100% of delivery drivers are like this, but it's the aholes you notice - just like cyclists!

Nail on the head really, similarly to speed limiters in cars tptb know they cannot deal with all of the people that have no respect for others or self control. Going for the full grumpy old man this is a societal problem that has been building for a few decades now.

[RizzoTheRat]

Don Veloci said:

RizzoTheRat said:

You might be surprised on the investment bit, electric mopeds seem to be similar prices to e-bikes. You can get reasonable ones for about 2.5k, which is mid range e-bike prices, and will do 30+mph,so ideal for town roads, but as you say in the UK you can't use them on cycle paths.

My mind has already leaped from moped to full on electric motorcycle. A future return to motorcycling could well be electric if the big names made them more mainstream. Not something I've ever looked into and a big deviation for an e-scooter thread.

A Zero S or similar might be a slightly larger budget though

[Toltec]

RizzoTheRat said:

A Zero S or similar might be a slightly larger budget though

You can get mopeds for £3-4k though which are more of a direct upgrade to a scooter.

https://urbanebikes.com/collections/electric-moped...

The problem is a 125cc with similar power is less than half the price and over twice the range.

[RizzoTheRat]

Toltec said:

RizzoTheRat said:

A Zero S or similar might be a slightly larger budget though

You can get mopeds for £3-4k though which are more of a direct upgrade to a scooter.

https://urbanebikes.com/collections/electric-moped...

The problem is a 125cc with similar power is less than half the price and over twice the range.

...and still does best part of 100mpg.

We have 3 big rental outfits here doing mopeds by the km/minute and one of them uses I think that exact model of NIU scooter, so they're presumably pretty robust and reliable

[Don Veloci]

RizzoTheRat said:

A Zero S or similar might be a slightly larger budget though

Good looking things. Could never see myself on a moped, just not me.

Someone could buy me a Livewire - Which led to find that Ducati are actually in the e-bike game.

[Toltec]

RizzoTheRat said:

Toltec said:

RizzoTheRat said:

A Zero S or similar might be a slightly larger budget though

You can get mopeds for £3-4k though which are more of a direct upgrade to a scooter.

https://urbanebikes.com/collections/electric-moped...

The problem is a 125cc with similar power is less than half the price and over twice the range.

...and still does best part of 100mpg.

We have 3 big rental outfits here doing mopeds by the km/minute and one of them uses I think that exact model of NIU scooter, so they're presumably pretty robust and reliable

Quick calc gives something on the order of 30k miles to break even on fuel costs. Cheaper servicing and convenience of never having to fi up may offset that. It is unlikely you would be able to keep one for that mileage before it gets stolen anyway.

[sospan]

Toltec said:

Nail on the head really, similarly to speed limiters in cars tptb know they cannot deal with all of the people that have no respect for others or self control. Going for the full grumpy old man this is a societal problem that has been building for a few decades now.

There’s a lot of a#######s in Cardiff then!
Having a mix of significantly different road users using the same space creates conflicts. Hence cycle lanes bus lanes etc. Pedestrian only zones as well.
Walking on the hard shoulder of a motorway too, unless headed to an emergency phone as an exception.
The problems arise when the difficulty to police it and weed out the a#######s is realised.

[OutInTheShed]

sospan said:

Toltec said:

Nail on the head really, similarly to speed limiters in cars tptb know they cannot deal with all of the people that have no respect for others or self control. Going for the full grumpy old man this is a societal problem that has been building for a few decades now.

There’s a lot of a#######s in Cardiff then!
Having a mix of significantly different road users using the same space creates conflicts. Hence cycle lanes bus lanes etc. Pedestrian only zones as well.
Walking on the hard shoulder of a motorway too, unless headed to an emergency phone as an exception.
The problems arise when the difficulty to police it and weed out the a#######s is realised.

I expect if they are ever generally legalised on the roads and cycle paths, they will quickly be banned from many specific roads and cycle paths.

[Comacchio]

OutInTheShed said:

sospan said:

Toltec said:

Nail on the head really, similarly to speed limiters in cars tptb know they cannot deal with all of the people that have no respect for others or self control. Going for the full grumpy old man this is a societal problem that has been building for a few decades now.

There’s a lot of a#######s in Cardiff then!
Having a mix of significantly different road users using the same space creates conflicts. Hence cycle lanes bus lanes etc. Pedestrian only zones as well.
Walking on the hard shoulder of a motorway too, unless headed to an emergency phone as an exception.
The problems arise when the difficulty to police it and weed out the a#######s is realised.

I expect if they are ever generally legalised on the roads and cycle paths, they will quickly be banned from many specific roads and cycle paths.

Why? Any less of an obstacle than a bike?

[0ddball]

Comacchio said:

OutInTheShed said:

sospan said:

Toltec said:

Nail on the head really, similarly to speed limiters in cars tptb know they cannot deal with all of the people that have no respect for others or self control. Going for the full grumpy old man this is a societal problem that has been building for a few decades now.

There’s a lot of a#######s in Cardiff then!
Having a mix of significantly different road users using the same space creates conflicts. Hence cycle lanes bus lanes etc. Pedestrian only zones as well.
Walking on the hard shoulder of a motorway too, unless headed to an emergency phone as an exception.
The problems arise when the difficulty to police it and weed out the a#######s is realised.

I expect if they are ever generally legalised on the roads and cycle paths, they will quickly be banned from many specific roads and cycle paths.

Why? Any less of an obstacle than a bike?

The demographic

Bikes have been overlooked because they are rare enough not to have become an issue and the high'ish cost means they are largely ridden by responsible adults.

Cheap scooters will be everywhere, on every footpath, in every park and town centre, weaving in and out of traffic, with a significant proportion being ridden in an antisocial manner by knobheads.

Exactly the same as how scrotes are very rarely found riding a proper fully road legal motorbike but absolutely love their small capacity pitbikes, mopeds and trail bikes.

[Donbot]

0ddball said:

The demographic

Bikes have been overlooked because they are rare enough not to have become an issue and the high'ish cost means they are largely ridden by responsible adults.

Cheap scooters will be everywhere, on every footpath, in every park and town centre, weaving in and out of traffic, with a significant proportion being ridden in an antisocial manner by knobheads.

Exactly the same as how scrotes are very rarely found riding a proper fully road legal motorbike but absolutely love their small capacity pitbikes, mopeds and trail bikes.

I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened in other countries which have legalised them.

[z4RRSchris]

i think we have

a higher proportion of dheads than most places

pretty terrible cyxling (scooting) infrastructure

[Donbot]

z4RRSchris said:

i think we have

a higher proportion of dheads than most places

pretty terrible cyxling (scooting) infrastructure

If where you live has a high proportion of dheads it would be best to move. It can't be nice to feel you are surrounded by people like that.

The people where I live tend to be considerate towards each other.

[monthou]

0ddball said:

Bikes have been overlooked because they are rare enough not to have become an issue and the high'ish cost means they are largely ridden by responsible adults.

Bicycles...
Rare?
Expensive?
Largely ridden by adults (responsible or otherwise)?

No, not seeing it.
Maybe if you only look at London commuters.

In any case the demographic of scooter riders will change if and when they're legalised.

[Donbot]

monthou said:

0ddball said:

Bikes have been overlooked because they are rare enough not to have become an issue and the high'ish cost means they are largely ridden by responsible adults.

Bicycles...
Rare?
Expensive?
Largely ridden by adults (responsible or otherwise)?

No, not seeing it.
Maybe if you only look at London commuters.

In any case the demographic of scooter riders will change if and when they're legalised.

Bicycles are rare and expensive we should tell people in third world countries how fortunate they are.

Reminds me of a thread in general gassing a few years ago with someone claiming that people in London need to drive because cycling is too expensive

[frisbee]

Donbot said:

monthou said:

0ddball said:

Bikes have been overlooked because they are rare enough not to have become an issue and the high'ish cost means they are largely ridden by responsible adults.

Bicycles...
Rare?
Expensive?
Largely ridden by adults (responsible or otherwise)?

No, not seeing it.
Maybe if you only look at London commuters.

In any case the demographic of scooter riders will change if and when they're legalised.

Bicycles are rare and expensive we should tell people in third world countries how fortunate they are.

Reminds me of a thread in general gassing a few years ago with someone claiming that people in London need to drive because cycling is too expensive

He clearly means electric bikes.

[z4RRSchris]

Donbot said:

z4RRSchris said:

i think we have

a higher proportion of dheads than most places

pretty terrible cyxling (scooting) infrastructure

If where you live has a high proportion of dheads it would be best to move. It can't be nice to feel you are surrounded by people like that.

The people where I live tend to be considerate towards each other.

i live in london, where it makes most sense to have e scooters, and also has the most amount of tts

[Donbot]

z4RRSchris said:

Donbot said:

z4RRSchris said:

i think we have

a higher proportion of dheads than most places

pretty terrible cyxling (scooting) infrastructure

If where you live has a high proportion of dheads it would be best to move. It can't be nice to feel you are surrounded by people like that.

The people where I live tend to be considerate towards each other.

i live in london, where it makes most sense to have e scooters, and also has the most amount of tts

If London is full of tts it may be best to legalise them everywhere else. You have your Boris bikes to get around on. Plus plenty of public transport.

[monthou]

frisbee said:

He clearly means electric bikes.

He was replying to this:

Comacchio said:

OutInTheShed said:

I expect if they [e-scooters] are ever generally legalised on the roads and cycle paths, they will quickly be banned from many specific roads and cycle paths.

Why? Any less of an obstacle than a bike?

It's not clear he was referring to e-bikes, and it would be a bit odd if he was because they weren't what the question related to.