Fewer than 1% of car crime now results in a conviction

[rosetank]

What are the clean up rates for burglary? I’d wager a similar amount. It does appear that the modern Police aren’t exactly falling over themselves in certain areas of criminality?

[Goldfever4]

Leicester Loyal said:

Fatball said:

This is bks.

Sorry, posted before I’d finished.

You have your opinion.

Whether it's due to funding cuts or restaints placed on them I don't know, but if I needed them, I wouldn't be confident they'd get a result.

That doesn't make the average bobby a wer

[rosetank]

Goldfever4 said:

That doesn't make the average bobby a wer

Indeed. I’m sure I’d not fancy walking today’s streets, knives, guns, abusive kids high on drugs everywhere...

The cleanup rates are poor though, especially when social media is so self promoting for them. Sends the wrong message IMO and creates a level of frustration for the general public and the victims of these crimes.

[FrenchCarFan]

Village I live in has had a massive spate of Garage burglaries very recently, including mine which the s made off with my stuff. I don't expect miracles but the attitudes from the officers I dealt with, was a very laissez faire attitude to it, whether or not that is because of poor morale, or motivation or just plain brow beaten daily life, I'm not sure. I can't help come away from the experience (as well as being pissed off my stuff was taken) with the attitude of the Police don't really be able to deal with what I'd call low level crime and the thieves can by and large, act with total impunity.

[Red 4]

Court_S said:

That sort of theft barely raises an eyebrow - I had six bikes stolen a few years ago and the police only bothered to come out on the basis that the value of them (£13k or so). Other than that nothing really and because the garage wasn't connected to the house it wasn't a priority.

What would you expect them to do ?

Turn up, look at a broken window/ damaged door and take exactly the same details as you provided over the phone ?

Maybe offer a bit of sympathy and some crime prevention advice ?

The reality is that attending (some) burglaries is not an efficient use of resources.

I appreciate that people want/ expect a response to a crime but the end result is the same.

Edited by Red 4 on Monday 10th February 16:32

[Pat H]

deadslow said:

10 years of Tory cuts.

Yep.

When I was a young solicitor, the courts were full of car thieves, burglars, shoplifters and villains being prosecuted for going equipped.

These days, such offences are rarely investigated, let alone prosecuted.

The Tories have conducted a very dangerous experiment with the criminal justice system.

Cuts, cuts cuts. Eventually the wheel falls off. Then you get a bit of panic investment to try to make things look better.

There's never been a better time to be a criminal.

[James_33]

deadslow said:

10 years of Tory cuts. The Uk is a great place to steal. Wonder how many burglars they catch. If they even investigate anymore. Remember we had that brilliant long serving Home Secretary.

You can't just blame cuts though, the manufacturers building these new cars with keyless entry are also part to blame as it seems anyone with a laptop and a few mins buying the right equipment off eBay etc and half an idea what they are doing can steal the most expensive of cars.

And not only that, even if they do get caught, they either end up getting a suspended sentence and a fine which they won't be able to afford so they'll pay £1 a month or something out of the benefits they milk from the state or they do go to prison which chances are will be better than the ghetto they live in at home.

Bottom line is there is no deterrent or if there is, the reward if they get away with their criminal activities far outweighs the punishment.

[Trevor555]

Keyless entry.

Did customers really want this anyway?

I think most people were happy with keys.

Or is it because the manufacturers sell another new car each time one is stolen?

If you're making/selling cars that's great for business.

[Piha]

Nearly a decade of Tory ineptitude accompanied with continued cuts means the police & prison service is woefully under resourced. And people continue to vote for the Tory party and expect change?

[Pat H]

James_33 said:

You can't just blame cuts though

If you can get away with a crime 99 times out of 100, then it is the system that's fked.

[Leicester Loyal]

Piha said:

Nearly a decade of Tory ineptitude accompanied with continued cuts means the police & prison service is woefully under resourced. And people continue to vote for the Tory party and expect change?

Because the alternatives were far worse. This is what happens when the opposition parties are batst crazy idiots, even the parties which are poor end up getting elected.

Edited by Leicester Loyal on Monday 10th February 18:14

[anonymous-user]

Leicester Loyal said:

Fatball said:

This is bks.

Sorry, posted before I’d finished.

You have your opinion.

Whether it's due to funding cuts or restaints placed on them I don't know, but if I needed them, I wouldn't be confident they'd get a result.

All the criminals in our nearly-constantly full prisons may disagree with you.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 10th February 21:01

[Graveworm]

SSWGB said:

I find it odd that if you go into a bus lane you get a picture taken, decent quality enough to identify the car and sometimes the driver. Same goes for speeding and red light cameras.

Funny that a lot more than 1% get caught.

Yet if a car is stolen or broken into it rarely gets solved. Seems it’s just whatever pays them rather than giving the public trust in the services.

Police seldom have anything to do with bus lane cameras.
The Police still don't get "Paid" from speeding or red lights. To the point that local authorities want, to be able to do them as Police cannot afford to.

[Jediworrier]

My local Police can't even understand the highway code so I've accepted there's little chance of them solving crime through their fine detective skills.

Edited by Jediworrier on Monday 10th February 22:24

[andygo]

Trevor555 said:

Keyless entry.

Did customers really want this anyway?

I think most people were happy with keys.

Or is it because the manufacturers sell another new car each time one is stolen?

If you're making/selling cars that's great for business.

Not sure the keyless entry is that big an issue compared to having your house broken into whilst you are in bed and being threatened/assaulted for your keys.

I suspect the catch rate is equally tiny for that crime TBH.

[Bigends]

If scenes arent being visited and examined, then theres little hope of the charging or conviction rates getting any higher. Unfortunately not likely to happen any time soon

[Red 4]

Bigends said:

If scenes arent being visited and examined, then theres little hope of the charging or conviction rates getting any higher. Unfortunately not likely to happen any time soon

That depends if there is any evidence left at the scene.

If there is none then a visit is, from a detection perspective, a waste of time and you could argue that the officer's time will be more productive if utilised elsewhere.

[Bigends]

Red 4 said:

Bigends said:

If scenes arent being visited and examined, then theres little hope of the charging or conviction rates getting any higher. Unfortunately not likely to happen any time soon

That depends if there is any evidence left at the scene.

If there is none then a visit is, from a detection perspective, a waste of time and you could argue that the officer's time will be more productive if utilised elsewhere.

Between 2001 and 2005 I was on a beat crimes unit - DNA and fingerprint hits were our bread and butter work - the majority were for thefts of / from cars - we had a good charge rate. You dont know whats left unless you look

[Greendubber]

Bigends said:

Red 4 said:

Bigends said:

If scenes arent being visited and examined, then theres little hope of the charging or conviction rates getting any higher. Unfortunately not likely to happen any time soon

That depends if there is any evidence left at the scene.

If there is none then a visit is, from a detection perspective, a waste of time and you could argue that the officer's time will be more productive if utilised elsewhere.

Between 2001 and 2005 I was on a beat crimes unit - DNA and fingerprint hits were our bread and butter work - the majority were for thefts of / from cars - we had a good charge rate. You dont know whats left unless you look

Recovered stolen motors dont even get examined by FSI in some parts. Madness!

[Chris32345]

SSWGB said:

I find it odd that if you go into a bus lane you get a picture taken, decent quality enough to identify the car and sometimes the driver. Same goes for speeding and red light cameras.

Funny that a lot more than 1% get caught.

Yet if a car is stolen or broken into it rarely gets solved. Seems it’s just whatever pays them rather than giving the public trust in the services.

Crime not civil matters