Fewer than 1% of car crime now results in a conviction

[pavarotti1980]

Bigends said:

Between 2001 and 2005 I was on a beat crimes unit - DNA and fingerprint hits were our bread and butter work - the majority were for thefts of / from cars - we had a good charge rate. You dont know whats left unless you look

How do you get a DNA or fingerprint lift from a vehicle that has been stolen and isnt there?

[Bigends]

pavarotti1980 said:

Bigends said:

Between 2001 and 2005 I was on a beat crimes unit - DNA and fingerprint hits were our bread and butter work - the majority were for thefts of / from cars - we had a good charge rate. You dont know whats left unless you look

How do you get a DNA or fingerprint lift from a vehicle that has been stolen and isnt there?

They get were examined after they had been recovered

[pavarotti1980]

Bigends said:

They get were examined after they had been recovered

So you werent attending the victims address then....and someone else was doing the work for you too

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Thursday 13th February 16:49

[anonymous-user]

Greendubber said:

Excellent to see, officers out being proactive in the small hours keeping tabs on rural communities.

Just imagine if it was the burglars on route back to your neighbours outbuilding and not your wife.

bks, they weren't out to catch criminals by patrolling rural lanes looking out for farm machinery theft or unusual activity etc. Nor were they concerned by drunk drivers since they didn't even take the opportunity to breathalyze her when she'd stopped, despite her acting a bit weird and panicy she said about being stopped. They were simply out to make some money from otherwise law abiding citizens - a soft touch target. This is why people lack respect for the police these days.

[Bigends]

pavarotti1980 said:

Bigends said:

They get were examined after they had been recovered

So you werent attending the victims address then....and someone else was doing the work for you too

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Thursday 13th February 16:49

Partly I suppose- the scene would have been initially attended by shift officers and the crime recorded and generally closed off pending some further info coming to light - that was generally the end of their involvement. In the case of theft / attempt theft/damage to vehicles - SOCO would attend and examine the scene, and sent any samples or lifts off for processing, either to the lab or fingerprint dept. Fingerprint idents would be reviewed and assessed to weed out any false hits - eg the victims prints, windscreen repair mans prints etc. The hit package would then come to our unit, intell work carried out on the suspect and we'd then obtain a statement from the victim prior to interviewing the suspect then compiling and submitting the court file. These interviews were often carried out during a legal visit to prison if the suspect was already locked up Same for DNA hits. So yes, we were involved with the victims. This work only formed part of our workload - we also picked up all crimes ( not just vehicle related) with a named/known suspect and were in effect a detections unit back in the bad old target setting days, taking a fair amount of workload away from core shift officers.

Edited by Bigends on Thursday 13th February 17:09

[Graveworm]

Andy20vt said:

Greendubber said:

Excellent to see, officers out being proactive in the small hours keeping tabs on rural communities.

Just imagine if it was the burglars on route back to your neighbours outbuilding and not your wife.

bks, they weren't out to catch criminals by patrolling rural lanes looking out for farm machinery theft or unusual activity etc. Nor were they concerned by drunk drivers since they didn't even take the opportunity to breathalyze her when she'd stopped, despite her acting a bit weird and panicy she said about being stopped. They were simply out to make some money from otherwise law abiding citizens - a soft touch target. This is why people lack respect for the police these days.

How much money did they make? "Respect" for the Police has allegedly increased from 53% to 61% recently but it hasn't changed significantly for a long time.

[Greendubber]

Andy20vt said:

Greendubber said:

Excellent to see, officers out being proactive in the small hours keeping tabs on rural communities.

Just imagine if it was the burglars on route back to your neighbours outbuilding and not your wife.

bks, they weren't out to catch criminals by patrolling rural lanes looking out for farm machinery theft or unusual activity etc. Nor were they concerned by drunk drivers since they didn't even take the opportunity to breathalyze her when she'd stopped, despite her acting a bit weird and panicy she said about being stopped. They were simply out to make some money from otherwise law abiding citizens - a soft touch target. This is why people lack respect for the police these days.

They wont have been out looking for speeding motorist at 3am. You just think your wife shouldn't have been collared, well tough tits I'm afraid so keep up with the sour grapes act if you really must. I'm really going to blow your mind now, perhaps they didn't give her a breath test as they didn't suspect she had been drinking. I know its A crazy out there scenario but not everyone stopped driving a car gets tested, even if they're incapable of keeping to a speed limit.

Edited by Greendubber on Thursday 13th February 18:59

[Greendubber]

Graveworm said:

Andy20vt said:

Greendubber said:

Excellent to see, officers out being proactive in the small hours keeping tabs on rural communities.

Just imagine if it was the burglars on route back to your neighbours outbuilding and not your wife.

bks, they weren't out to catch criminals by patrolling rural lanes looking out for farm machinery theft or unusual activity etc. Nor were they concerned by drunk drivers since they didn't even take the opportunity to breathalyze her when she'd stopped, despite her acting a bit weird and panicy she said about being stopped. They were simply out to make some money from otherwise law abiding citizens - a soft touch target. This is why people lack respect for the police these days.

How much money did they make? "Respect" for the Police has allegedly increased from 53% to 61% recently but it hasn't changed significantly for a long time.

Loads of cash I'm sure on a rural road at 03.00hrs. I mean you wouldn't want to go to a busy a road with more than 1 car per hour down it would you? After all it's all clearly about money, hence why they sat up all night on a rural road.

[GTI16V]

The Police and wider criminal justice system is completely fked.
Years of cuts, bodged privatisations, and having clueless self-serving fkwits like Chris Grayling, Theresa May and Michael Gove in charge of departments that oversee these services mean that they'll never recover IMHO.

[MB140]

pavarotti1980 said:

Bigends said:

Between 2001 and 2005 I was on a beat crimes unit - DNA and fingerprint hits were our bread and butter work - the majority were for thefts of / from cars - we had a good charge rate. You dont know whats left unless you look

How do you get a DNA or fingerprint lift from a vehicle that has been stolen and isnt there?

When a couple of muppets robbed my car about 10 years ago. They left their fingerprints on the back of the cloned number plate they had fitted. Useless throbbers, resulted in their conviction. So yes forensics does catch them.

The sentence they got though meant that in reality they might as well have not bothered trying to catch them. But that is another matter. At least they were caught

[gavsdavs]

ED209 said:

Some absolute twaddle being posted in this thread.

Resources are low but they would be enough to deal with crime however at least 80% of police work now is dealing with matters that should be dealt with by other agencies mainly mental health and social services.

It’s mission creep and until chiefs have the gumption to say no to other agencies requests it will continue and dealing with low level crime won’t be a priority, not because the cops don’t want to deal with it but because they simply don’t have time to deal with it.

A lot of petty crimes could be investigated properly in the time two cops spend sitting waiting for mental health patients to be seen at hospital.

The whole persecuting motorists thing is rubbish too. My cops go from job to job to job, rarely get a meal break and don’t have time to stop cars. They should but they don’t. My younger in service cops have no experience other than the “safeguarding and vulnerability “ era totally lack the confidence and knowledge to deal with traffic matters.

Excellent post. Though it wasn't stated in my post I intended to convey the same sentiment, it's not that police don't care about theft, it's because they're committed to more pressing things elsewhere. No criticism of Police decision making/prioritisation.

I hope Tory readers are happy to accept this unfortunate prioritisation as a direct result of David Camorons Big Society and Gideons Austerity, for they have caused this decline.

[oyster]

Andy20vt said:

Greendubber said:

Excellent to see, officers out being proactive in the small hours keeping tabs on rural communities.

Just imagine if it was the burglars on route back to your neighbours outbuilding and not your wife.

bks, they weren't out to catch criminals by patrolling rural lanes looking out for farm machinery theft or unusual activity etc. Nor were they concerned by drunk drivers since they didn't even take the opportunity to breathalyze her when she'd stopped, despite her acting a bit weird and panicy she said about being stopped. They were simply out to make some money from otherwise law abiding citizens - a soft touch target. This is why people lack respect for the police these days.

I presume you're in support of speed cameras doing that job then and freeing up the police resource for the other crimes you mention?


Notwithstanding that you are quite possibly the only PH'er ever to hear of or see a police patrol car hiding behind a hedge at 5am in a rural area with a brief of nothing else to do than catch a speeding car that might turn up or they might be there for several hours before seeing a singe car.

[anonymous-user]

Perspective required.

Vehicle crime isn't a Government priority- lay the blame at their door. The Govt tell Forces what to do.

Prior to the swinging Police cuts the Tories (In anticipation) decided volume crime including vehicle crime wasn't a priority. They knew volume crime would rise as a result of the cuts and many specialist units would bite the dust as staff were diverted elsewhere.

Needless to say many Police forces had extremely effective vehicle crime units prior to this when vehicle crime WAS a priority..

My unit had 10 trap vehicles with covert footage from each and other 'stuff' that shall remain nameless. We had CSI examining every car that was broken into for fingerprints and seizing glass samples. We had custody suites with detection equipment that every offender had to walk through for the detection of DNA spray etc. We had experienced detectives prioritised with Interviewing and obtaining detections from people who broke into cars.

We had a massive amount of council and other partnership funding,as did many other forces and it worked.

That all evaporated, as did the staff when the Government made their cuts and decided they didn't care about car crime.

[XCP]

doog442 said:

Perspective required.

Vehicle crime isn't a Government priority- lay the blame at their door. The Govt tell Forces what to do.

Prior to the swinging Police cuts the Tories (In anticipation) decided volume crime including vehicle crime wasn't a priority. They knew volume crime would rise as a result of the cuts and many specialist units would bite the dust as staff were diverted elsewhere.

Needless to say many Police forces had extremely effective vehicle crime units prior to this when vehicle crime WAS a priority..

My unit had 10 trap vehicles with covert footage from each and other 'stuff' that shall remain nameless. We had CSI examining every car that was broken into for fingerprints and seizing glass samples. We had custody suites with detection equipment that every offender had to walk through for the detection of DNA spray etc. We had experienced detectives prioritised with Interviewing and obtaining detections from people who broke into cars.

We had a massive amount of council and other partnership funding,as did many other forces and it worked.




Seconded.

That all evaporated, as did the staff when the Government made their cuts and decided they didn't care about car crime.

[W11PEL]

You poor fools!!! It’s not about catching wrongn’s any more.

It’s about being Woke. Normal tax paying law abiding family? You are the $hit on old bills boots. You do not matter save being milked for every last penny. STFU and pay.

Cressida Dick is exactly what this country deserves.

Google “common purpose” for a bit of insight...

Edited by W11PEL on Sunday 16th February 20:37

Edited by W11PEL on Sunday 16th February 20:38

[oyster]

W11PEL said:

You poor fools!!! It’s not about catching wrongn’s any more.

It’s about being Woke. Normal tax paying law abiding family? You are the $hit on old bills boots. You do not matter save being milked for every last penny. STFU and pay.

Cressida Dick is exactly what this country deserves.

Google “common purpose” for a bit of insight...

Edited by W11PEL on Sunday 16th February 20:37

Edited by W11PEL on Sunday 16th February 20:38

I don't get this post.
What has Cressida Dick done (or not done) to merit your negative view?

[anonymous-user]

W11PEL said:

You poor fools!!! It’s not about catching wrongn’s any more.

It’s about being Woke. Normal tax paying law abiding family? You are the $hit on old bills boots. You do not matter save being milked for every last penny. STFU and pay.

Cressida Dick is exactly what this country deserves.

Google “common purpose” for a bit of insight...

The 90+ thousand criminals in prison would probably disagree with that.

I always wonder if people who write such rubbish ever think about the things they say / write.

[A Winner Is You]

La Liga said:

he 90+ thousand criminals in prison would probably disagree with that.

I always wonder if people who write such rubbish ever think about the things they say / write.

Whilst not the fault of the officers on the ground, our police are currently either unable or unwilling to remove people illegally blocking a public highway, so it's no wonder public confidence is so low.

[oyster]

A Winner Is You said:

La Liga said:

he 90+ thousand criminals in prison would probably disagree with that.

I always wonder if people who write such rubbish ever think about the things they say / write.

Whilst not the fault of the officers on the ground, our police are currently either unable or unwilling to remove people illegally blocking a public highway, so it's no wonder public confidence is so low.

Is public confidence low? I haven’t seen any findings to suggest that’s the case.

[anonymous-user]

A Winner Is You said:

La Liga said:

he 90+ thousand criminals in prison would probably disagree with that.

I always wonder if people who write such rubbish ever think about the things they say / write.

Whilst not the fault of the officers on the ground, our police are currently either unable or unwilling to remove people illegally blocking a public highway, so it's no wonder public confidence is so low.

Data / evidence / source? So low measured how? Relative to what?

Or are you presenting your opinion as fact?