DVLA has added an automatic only restriction to my license

[Muzzer79]

Oilchange said:

How can he lose his licence, was it revoked by a court or the dvla? Or simply the records lost.

It hasn't been revoked

DVLA are telling him that according to their system, he's never passed a manual test, so only has a licence for an automatic car.

Unless you can prove otherwise, massive problem.

OP - one often has to give a copy of a driving licence as ID for various legal things, aswell as work stuff. Worth trawling through that to see if you can get a copy of your licence showing manual classification?

[Oilchange]

anonymous said:

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Play on words by the dvla. It is not a replacement licence. It’s a replacement photocard. Your licence expires when you are 70, not at any time earlier unless a court or the dvla revoke it.

[Stuart70]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Michaelbailey said:

Pretty critical detail the type of licence you hold isn't it if we are being honest.

Only that you have a full licence for the vehicle being insured. If you're insuring a car, and they asked you if you held a full licence for artics, wouldn't you think that weird? You're not driving an artic.

Time to move on mate, you are wrong on this one. The rating factors applied to insurance for an automatic car, a manual licence holder gets a lower premium than a automatic only licence holder, for the reasons already outlined.

[untakenname]

I would expect the insurance company to cancel your insurance when they found out if you told them you had a full manual licence when infact it was just an auto, it's no different to saying you have a full drivers licence when you only hold a provisional.

[liner33]

This happened to a mate of mine , he lost his HGV 1 (Trailers) entitlement , it took him about a year if memory serves to get it back and required a affidavit from a previous employer

What about your instructor , 7 years isnt "that" long perhaps they keep some kind of records

This is why I take photos of my licence whenever I send it off and check it thoroughly when it returns

[BertBert]

Stuart70 said:

I have worked for 3 major UK motor insurers at C suite level over the last 15 years; they all took it into account. I have not worked at Admiral, hence my earlier comment.

Just to humour you I went on Compare the Market and it asks you for full/provisional; then UK/EU/European non EU/International and then the next question is a choice between includes manual vehicles or Automatic only.

I am not suggesting any poster is telling untruths, I am simply trying to add to the knowledge of people involved here.

Note - it does NOT mean that all underwriters will require their policies to differentiate, but given the accident statistics, I would be surprised if there are many who do not.

Hope that helps, have a great day

That's very interesting, I didn't know that auto only would be rated differently.

But back to the OP and his insurance price rise, as he didn't tell his insurance company that he was auto only, why did his insurance prices rise?

Hope you get it sorted easily OP. What caused the change of photocard to drop the manual bit? I'd certainly be keeping on driving if it was me knowing that you had passed a manual test. Perhaps it has always been wrong?

Bert

[ozzuk]

Also happened to a mate of mine - he lost his bike license due to a DVLA mess up, he couldn't find proof (passed many years ago) so they said would have to be a retest. He didn't bother.

[V8fan]

anonymous said:

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Well said. I check after an issue a few years ago. A couple of old friends of mine had their motorcycle entitlement (A) disappear from their licence on renewal. DVLA had no record because they passed it back in the 1970s! Who keeps their pass certificate for that long? They were advised to retake a motorcycle test.....

I take a photo of the back of my licence (in t'old days they advised a photocopy). They accept that as proof to show their error.

[Oilchange]

If you look on your licence 4a to 4b is the duration of the photocard.
Turn it over.
You can now see columns 10 and 11 show the duration of your LICENCE, in each of the categories you are qualified.
This is the important bit. Take a picture of both sides, store it on your phone or in your files section, somewhere safe but accessible. When the cops pull you over show this to them. Its your licence dates and it proves that the dvla records were lost or they simply can’t be arsed to find them.
I imagine a court would also be happy with photographic evidence too but I am no lawyer.
One should never have to retest, thats just laziness. Keep good records and never send your photocard to those incompetent morons in Wales.
Once again, your licence expires when you are 70.

[cologne2792]

I'm still on my paper licence which has about another 20 years left to run.
This might be the only surefire method of safeguarding your entitled classifications.

[swistak]

I have the record of my driving test (the test result paper) with the automatic box unticked and reggo of a MANUAL car I passed it in. I also have a dated photograph of me holding the pass certificate with automatic CROSSED OUT. I think someone at DVLA has fubared data entry as it shows as auto only at least 5 years back!

[Stuart70]

BertBert said:

That's very interesting, I didn't know that auto only would be rated differently.

But back to the OP and his insurance price rise, as he didn't tell his insurance company that he was auto only, why did his insurance prices rise?

Hope you get it sorted easily OP. What caused the change of photocard to drop the manual bit? I'd certainly be keeping on driving if it was me knowing that you had passed a manual test. Perhaps it has always been wrong?

Bert

Hi BertBert

OP price rise does not appear linked to the auto/manual discussion - that is a separate issue.
- Claims inflation has been high over last couple of years for motor insurers, it could be as simple as them passing it on In pricing (tends to be higher risk gets higher load in these times).
- Also, if full NCB, then rating increases are not being offset by additional NCB discount.
- It could also be as simple as being penalised for being loyal to a single insurer over the period (not the industries best behaviour by a long way!)

Any number of factors and clear all of the above are simply examples, I am in no way commenting on the OP’s specific circumstances.

Hope that might help.

[Oilchange]

anonymous said:

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Yes, it states the classification of the vehicles you can drive and the date that that classification ends. Which is when you are 70, normally.
The photograph on the card, and only the photograph, expires every 10 years.
Www.yourdrivinglicence.co.uk/what-happens-if-drivi...
You can still drive, have an accident and be insured etc if your photograph has expired.

[boyse7en]

Oilchange said:

If you look on your licence 4a to 4b is the duration of the photocard.
Turn it over.
You can now see columns 10 and 11 show the duration of your LICENCE, in each of the categories you are qualified.
This is the important bit. Take a picture of both sides, store it on your phone or in your files section, somewhere safe but accessible. When the cops pull you over show this to them. Its your licence dates and it proves that the dvla records were lost or they simply can’t be arsed to find them.
I imagine a court would also be happy with photographic evidence too but I am no lawyer.
One should never have to retest, thats just laziness. Keep good records and never send your photocard to those incompetent morons in Wales.
Once again, your licence expires when you are 70.

How is the OP supposed to take a photo of a licence he hasn't got?

The photocard licence he has got (and could photograph) says that he is entitled to only drive automatics, which he disputes.

[Oilchange]

The photocard is just a photocard, it simply states, incorrectly, what his licence allows. His unique driving licence number should show what he can drive and it will be on the dvla records.

[swistak]

Oilchange said:

The photocard is just a photocard, it simply states, incorrectly, what his licence allows. His unique driving licence number should show what he can drive and it will be on the dvla records.

It's worse than that. Turns out that my driving license number also says I'm only allowed automatics as of now! You can check what records DVLA hold against your license number online.

[Oilchange]

Zoiks!
Do you remember what your old licence number was?

Eta, They didn’t give you a new one did they?

Edited by Oilchange on Wednesday 19th February 16:04

[swistak]

The license number remains the same throughout. They just change issue number as you go through new photocards. It looks like a clerical error on their part somewhere along the line. I remember I had to personally send out the pass certificate original, so don't have any copies of that, only record I have is the test result and an affidavit from my instructor

[Oilchange]

Farcical isn't it. I hope it all gets resolved.
You have my sympathies.

[Alucidnation]

swistak said:

I have the record of my driving test (the test result paper) with the automatic box unticked and reggo of a MANUAL car I passed it in. I also have a dated photograph of me holding the pass certificate with automatic CROSSED OUT. I think someone at DVLA has fubared data entry as it shows as auto only at least 5 years back!

Thats good news mate, but no one here probably gives a fk anymore as they are too busy trying to win a reasonably pointless arguement.