Advice on whether to report a theft from a Main Dealer site.
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bad company said:
ging84 said:
The arrogance of this post is beyond belief.
I have clarified multiple times that I was not condoning theft.
Who is in a better place to know what I am or am not condoning.
At worse I've expressed myself with the wrong choice of words, at worse you are deliberately misrepresenting me.
What did I say that is so unambiguously condoning theft that it outweigh me saying 3 times that I was not.
This is what you said, it’s clear enough to me:-I have clarified multiple times that I was not condoning theft.
Who is in a better place to know what I am or am not condoning.
At worse I've expressed myself with the wrong choice of words, at worse you are deliberately misrepresenting me.
What did I say that is so unambiguously condoning theft that it outweigh me saying 3 times that I was not.
Mechanics really don't earn a lot i'm really not surprised some take a bit of loose change, i'm pretty sure I might
A would-be thief, given the opportunity.
He'll deny that, obviously. That's because he is dishonest.
ging84 said:
McGee_22 said:
No, this is where you are completely wrong, as most people would not consider taking it.
Theft is theft, even three pounds as you agreed in another post, yet you said you're pretty sure you might take it. This is actually beyond condoning theft, this is saying you might thieve yourself.
You have tried to get out of this and your other statement regarding the percentage of thefts in the workplace but quite simply you are condoning theft from an individual and going still further saying you might well do it yourself.
The arrogance of this post is beyond belief.Theft is theft, even three pounds as you agreed in another post, yet you said you're pretty sure you might take it. This is actually beyond condoning theft, this is saying you might thieve yourself.
You have tried to get out of this and your other statement regarding the percentage of thefts in the workplace but quite simply you are condoning theft from an individual and going still further saying you might well do it yourself.
I have clarified multiple times that I was not condoning theft.
Who is in a better place to know what I am or am not condoning.
At worse I've expressed myself with the wrong choice of words, at worse you are deliberately misrepresenting me.
What did I say that is so unambiguously condoning theft that it outweigh me saying 3 times that I was not.
Enough people have made thier point that they don't like what i've said
How about you stop berating me, and actually answer my question
What did I say that is so unambiguously condoning theft that it outweigh me saying 3 times that I was not.
apparently it's pretty clearly, but it is not clear to me, so please explain.
How about you stop berating me, and actually answer my question
What did I say that is so unambiguously condoning theft that it outweigh me saying 3 times that I was not.
apparently it's pretty clearly, but it is not clear to me, so please explain.
ging84 said:
What did I say that is so unambiguously condoning theft that it outweigh me saying 3 times that I was not.
Welcome to PH ... where people will happily only read the bits that gets them into an argument and ignore the bits that in any way mitigate the point they're trying to attack.I've not read the whole topic or your bits but I have found myself wondering the same as you a few times.
My only advice would be...
Don't. Feed. The. Trolls.
ging84 said:
Mechanics really don't earn a lot i'm really not surprised some take a bit of loose change, i'm pretty sure I might
What I certainly would never do is try and bate someone by deliberately leaving loose change laying around. That to me seem like the sort of thing only someone with an over inflated self of self importance would do.
I would love to hear that this got reported and the police turned around and said it is not for the tax payer to fund the policing of your social experiments, although then they'd be wasting tax money paying for the inevitable argument so i image recording and then ignoring it would be the best solution.
You said this.What I certainly would never do is try and bate someone by deliberately leaving loose change laying around. That to me seem like the sort of thing only someone with an over inflated self of self importance would do.
I would love to hear that this got reported and the police turned around and said it is not for the tax payer to fund the policing of your social experiments, although then they'd be wasting tax money paying for the inevitable argument so i image recording and then ignoring it would be the best solution.
"Essentially, it's not the poor, low paid mechanics fault - it's the op's fault for tempting the poor, low paid mechanic by having the audacity to leave some loose change in his own car".
You then went on to waffle about a social experiment, the police, and some other nonsense.
You also said that in the same circumstances you might steal the money.
That's all you needed to say for many posters to berate you.
Red 4 said:
You said this.
"Essentially, it's not the poor, low paid mechanics fault - it's the op's fault for tempting the poor, low paid mechanic by having the audacity to leave some loose change in his own car".
You then went on to waffle about a social experiment, the police, and some other nonsense.
You also said that in the same circumstances you might steal the money.
That's all you needed to say for many posters to berate you.
I few times i've gone out got drunk and got into a scrap, I can't say it will never happen again. am I condoning violence ?"Essentially, it's not the poor, low paid mechanics fault - it's the op's fault for tempting the poor, low paid mechanic by having the audacity to leave some loose change in his own car".
You then went on to waffle about a social experiment, the police, and some other nonsense.
You also said that in the same circumstances you might steal the money.
That's all you needed to say for many posters to berate you.
Occasionally when driving I've done things like pulled out in front of someone because i didn't see them, misjudged an over take or driven well above the speed limit on a quiet dual carriageway. am I condoning dangerous /. careless driving
Condoning means accepting of behaviour, not the same as doing it, or considering the possibility of doing it.
Someone can make a mistake or give in to temptation and do something wrong, and fairly instantly regret it.
Your assumption seems to be just because I've been willing to admit I might do something wrong that I would do so without regret, but your are very wrong.
I'm not saying it is the OPs fault for 'tempting the poor'
I am saying he is in the wrong for putting his little project above the well being of potentially honest hardworking people and deliberately making thier life harder by putting temptation to do the wrong thing in thier way.
ging84 said:
I few times i've gone out got drunk and got into a scrap, I can't say it will never happen again. am I condoning violence ?
Occasionally when driving I've done things like pulled out in front of someone because i didn't see them, misjudged an over take or driven well above the speed limit on a quiet dual carriageway. am I condoning dangerous /. careless driving
Condoning means accepting of behaviour, not the same as doing it, or considering the possibility of doing it.
Someone can make a mistake or give in to temptation and do something wrong, and fairly instantly regret it.
Your assumption seems to be just because I've been willing to admit I might do something wrong that I would do so without regret, but your are very wrong.
I'm not saying it is the OPs fault for 'tempting the poor'
I am saying he is in the wrong for putting his little project above the well being of potentially honest hardworking people and deliberately making thier life harder by putting temptation to do the wrong thing in thier way.
The things you list are not dishonest so not exactly the same. Occasionally when driving I've done things like pulled out in front of someone because i didn't see them, misjudged an over take or driven well above the speed limit on a quiet dual carriageway. am I condoning dangerous /. careless driving
Condoning means accepting of behaviour, not the same as doing it, or considering the possibility of doing it.
Someone can make a mistake or give in to temptation and do something wrong, and fairly instantly regret it.
Your assumption seems to be just because I've been willing to admit I might do something wrong that I would do so without regret, but your are very wrong.
I'm not saying it is the OPs fault for 'tempting the poor'
I am saying he is in the wrong for putting his little project above the well being of potentially honest hardworking people and deliberately making thier life harder by putting temptation to do the wrong thing in thier way.
The OP did not say they had a project neither did they put temptation in anyone's way. They were pretty sure that some money that was in their car had been stolen. So the next time they checked how much money was in their car.
Every time I put a car in for servicing it has several valuable items in it including some cash and a credit card. I wouldn't notice if some of the money went and as for the other things only the next time I went to use something.
I don't want to use a car dealer, where I have check before and after and certainly not where I have to go through the bother of taking everything out because it might be tempting.
Edited by Graveworm on Monday 24th February 20:36
PAULJ5555 said:
All crime should get reported even if you dont think anything will happen, by not reporting it the governement figures show less, so as far as they think the UK has less crime. No need for extra police then with less crime.
Government figures haven't been based on reported crime for a long time, to avoid statements like this. ging84 said:
I am saying he is in the wrong for putting his little project above the well being of potentially honest hardworking people and deliberately making thier life harder by putting temptation to do the wrong thing in thier way.
People are hardly 'honest and hardworking' if they help themselves to someone elses property no matter what the circumstances and the temptation. Its worrying you can't see this. How do millions of hotel room staff resist the temptation to snaffle things left around a hotel room.Some cant resist yet you would condone it as 'temptation'
Its a breach of trust and I'd bet you'd kick off if something was nicked from your car / hotel room or anywhere else come to think of it.
Graveworm said:
The things you list are not dishonest so not exactly the same.
The OP did not say they had a project neither did they put temptation in anyone's way. They were pretty sure that some money that was in their car had been stolen. So the next time they checked how much money was in their car.
Every time I put a car in for servicing it has several valuable items in it including some cash and a credit card. I wouldn't notice if some of the money went and as for the other things only the next time I went to use something.
I don't want to use a car dealer, where I have check before and after and certainly not where I have to go through the bother of taking everything out because it might be tempting.
There isn't 1 type of condoning for thing that are dishonest and another for things that aren't.The OP did not say they had a project neither did they put temptation in anyone's way. They were pretty sure that some money that was in their car had been stolen. So the next time they checked how much money was in their car.
Every time I put a car in for servicing it has several valuable items in it including some cash and a credit card. I wouldn't notice if some of the money went and as for the other things only the next time I went to use something.
I don't want to use a car dealer, where I have check before and after and certainly not where I have to go through the bother of taking everything out because it might be tempting.
Edited by Graveworm on Monday 24th February 20:36
There might have been change in the car to start with, but the op counted it probably picked It up to do so and put it back, even if he didn't pick it up it was a conscious act to leave it there as bait, very little distinction between that and taking it out his pocket.
doog442 said:
People are hardly 'honest and hardworking' if they help themselves to someone elses property no matter what the circumstances and the temptation.
Its worrying you can't see this. How do millions of hotel room staff resist the temptation to snaffle things left around a hotel room.Some cant resist yet you would condone it as 'temptation'
Its a breach of trust and I'd bet you'd kick off if something was nicked from your car / hotel room or anywhere else come to think of it.
I said potentiallyIts worrying you can't see this. How do millions of hotel room staff resist the temptation to snaffle things left around a hotel room.Some cant resist yet you would condone it as 'temptation'
Its a breach of trust and I'd bet you'd kick off if something was nicked from your car / hotel room or anywhere else come to think of it.
He had nothing more than suspicion that maybe someone took some money before.
How many other people might have been in the car that didn't take it?
ging84 said:
Red 4 said:
You said this.
"Essentially, it's not the poor, low paid mechanics fault - it's the op's fault for tempting the poor, low paid mechanic by having the audacity to leave some loose change in his own car".
You then went on to waffle about a social experiment, the police, and some other nonsense.
You also said that in the same circumstances you might steal the money.
That's all you needed to say for many posters to berate you.
I few times i've gone out got drunk and got into a scrap, I can't say it will never happen again. am I condoning violence ?"Essentially, it's not the poor, low paid mechanics fault - it's the op's fault for tempting the poor, low paid mechanic by having the audacity to leave some loose change in his own car".
You then went on to waffle about a social experiment, the police, and some other nonsense.
You also said that in the same circumstances you might steal the money.
That's all you needed to say for many posters to berate you.
Occasionally when driving I've done things like pulled out in front of someone because i didn't see them, misjudged an over take or driven well above the speed limit on a quiet dual carriageway. am I condoning dangerous /. careless driving
Condoning means accepting of behaviour, not the same as doing it, or considering the possibility of doing it.
Someone can make a mistake or give in to temptation and do something wrong, and fairly instantly regret it.
Your assumption seems to be just because I've been willing to admit I might do something wrong that I would do so without regret, but your are very wrong.
I'm not saying it is the OPs fault for 'tempting the poor'
I am saying he is in the wrong for putting his little project above the well being of potentially honest hardworking people and deliberately making thier life harder by putting temptation to do the wrong thing in thier way.
Neither is a miscalculation when driving.
Your last paragraph makes no sense whatsoever. Was this or wasn't this the op's fault ?
Make your mind up but here's a tip;
When in a hole stop digging.
PS. I know what condoning means.
I think you've looked it up in a dictionary but you still don't understand - hence the nonsense you have written on this thread.
ging84 said:
There isn't 1 type of condoning for thing that are dishonest and another for things that aren't.
There might have been change in the car to start with, but the op counted it probably picked It up to do so and put it back, even if he didn't pick it up it was a conscious act to leave it there as bait, very little distinction between that and taking it out his pocket.
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, some things are worse than others. Lots of people manage to get through life without getting into a scrap but, even so, that's not stealing. You talked about making mistakes. Honesty and integrity, are like virginity you either have them or you don't. Mistakes happen, people don't steal by mistake. There might have been change in the car to start with, but the op counted it probably picked It up to do so and put it back, even if he didn't pick it up it was a conscious act to leave it there as bait, very little distinction between that and taking it out his pocket.
Edited by Graveworm on Monday 24th February 21:16
ging84 said:
I said potentially
He had nothing more than suspicion that maybe someone took some money before.
How many other people might have been in the car that didn't take it?
It's absolutely the easiest thing in the world to leave a quid here or there and create merry hell when it goes walkies. I don't think that was his intention. He had nothing more than suspicion that maybe someone took some money before.
How many other people might have been in the car that didn't take it?
The thing we disagree on is that you appear to think its somehow acceptable for 'poorly paid workers' to give in to temptation.
My mum bless her kept a quid in her car for 20 years to simply put in the Tesco trolley. That car has been through a myriad of servicing at main / independent dealers, tyre places and left at supermarket car washes and its still there.
What sad sack of s
t would steal a quid or two from a car ..and who would defend it as some kind of stitch upPerhaps the dealer principal nicked the money.
One particularly pertinent point about stealing like this, it casts suspicion on everyone who could have stolen the money and that is the most cowardly and selfish consequence this thief has caused.
Another, honest people come from all walks of life, income has nothing to do with it.
One particularly pertinent point about stealing like this, it casts suspicion on everyone who could have stolen the money and that is the most cowardly and selfish consequence this thief has caused.
Another, honest people come from all walks of life, income has nothing to do with it.
doog442 said:
It's absolutely the easiest thing in the world to leave a quid here or there and create merry hell when it goes walkies. I don't think that was his intention.
The thing we disagree on is that you appear to think its somehow acceptable for 'poorly paid workers' to give in to temptation.
My mum bless her kept a quid in her car for 20 years to simply put in the Tesco trolley. That car has been through a myriad of servicing at main / independent dealers, tyre places and left at supermarket car washes and its still there.
What sad sack of st would steal a quid or two from a car ..and who would defend it as some kind of stitch up
NoThe thing we disagree on is that you appear to think its somehow acceptable for 'poorly paid workers' to give in to temptation.
My mum bless her kept a quid in her car for 20 years to simply put in the Tesco trolley. That car has been through a myriad of servicing at main / independent dealers, tyre places and left at supermarket car washes and its still there.
What sad sack of s
t would steal a quid or two from a car ..and who would defend it as some kind of stitch upI keep repeatedly saying that is not what I am saying or what I think yet everyone keeps continuing to tell me it is
It is frankly unbelievable that you think you know better than me what I think
I'm saying that i know that it happens, and it is not necessarily because of some binary morality where the only people who do something wrong are wronguns who did it once so will do it again, and everyone else can be trusted.
ging84 said:
Am I the one with a twisted sense of entitlement because I say I might take something that doesn't belong to me from someone who seems to care little about it.
Or is it you, who expects to be able to have society protect your property no matter how little effort you are willing to put into protecting it yourself.
Quoted for posterity.Or is it you, who expects to be able to have society protect your property no matter how little effort you are willing to put into protecting it yourself.
Nobody was expecting "society to protect" anyone's property BTW.
It is reasonable not to expect thieving scumbags to go rifling through your car to see what they can have away though.
I was going to say your moral compass is wrong but you don't seem to have a compass at all and you are looking increasing lost on this thread.
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