Cyclists need insurance ?

[GOATever]

Yeah, and those cyclists need to pay road tax too, and learn what red traffic lights mean.

[heebeegeetee]

GOATever said:

Yeah, and those cyclists need to pay road tax too, and learn what red traffic lights mean.

Er...

[Mave]

Randy Winkman said:

aka_kerrly said:

I doubt he was doing in excess of the speed limit and if he was riding along a main road then it's unreasonable to have to presume that every pedestrian is 2 milliseconds away from stepping into your path.

Agreed. But my understanding of the case is that he could easily have avoided hitting her with just a modicum of common-sense and self-restraint. Hence the decision.

By the way; I'm a fanatical cyclist who spent years commuting to London.

The report suggested he was doing 10-15 mph. He swerved to avoid hitting her but she spotted him and changed direction at the same time, and ended up stepping in front of him.

[markyb_lcy]

GOATever said:

Yeah, and those cyclists need to pay road tax too, and learn what red traffic lights mean.

Say it with me...

Vehicle
Excise
Duty

It is NOT a tax for using the road.

[donkmeister]

ash73 said:

Mave said:

The report suggested he was doing 10-15 mph.

And they were both knocked out? I don't believe that.

I can believe it... Mrs D got knocked out when she came off at 10mph. Falling off a bike when you are 30 is very different from falling off a bike when you are 7.

[gazza285]

Randy Winkman said:

Agreed. But my understanding of the case is that he could easily have avoided hitting her with just a modicum of common-sense and self-restraint. Hence the decision.

By the way; I'm a fanatical cyclist who spent years commuting to London.

What decision? The blame was found to be equal, the pedestrian could also have avoided being hit with just a modicum of common-sense and self-restraint as well. The cyclist was landed with the legal bill as he didn't bother to put a claim in, not because he was found to be at fault.

[Osinjak]

otolith said:

Jasandjules said:

They need a license plate of some kind on the back so they can be Identified.

You need a barcode on your forehead.

Not often I laugh out loud at stuff on the internet..

[Mave]

ash73 said:

Mave said:

The report suggested he was doing 10-15 mph.

And they were both knocked out? I don't believe that.

Really? You're aware that people have been killed through head injuries just by falling over onto hard surfaces, right?

[Chromegrill]

gazza285 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Agreed. But my understanding of the case is that he could easily have avoided hitting her with just a modicum of common-sense and self-restraint. Hence the decision.

By the way; I'm a fanatical cyclist who spent years commuting to London.

What decision? The blame was found to be equal, the pedestrian could also have avoided being hit with just a modicum of common-sense and self-restraint as well. The cyclist was landed with the legal bill as he didn't bother to put a claim in, not because he was found to be at fault.

This. Never pass on an opportunity to put in a claim however specious if the situation arises seems to be the key learning point here. Bring on the compensation culture and feed those lawyers!

[Osinjak]

ash73 said:

Mave said:

The report suggested he was doing 10-15 mph.

And they were both knocked out? I don't believe that.

Ram your head into a wall at 15mph and see what happens. Do report back when you've recovered (or not).

[Randy Winkman]

gazza285 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Agreed. But my understanding of the case is that he could easily have avoided hitting her with just a modicum of common-sense and self-restraint. Hence the decision.

By the way; I'm a fanatical cyclist who spent years commuting to London.

What decision? The blame was found to be equal, the pedestrian could also have avoided being hit with just a modicum of common-sense and self-restraint as well. The cyclist was landed with the legal bill as he didn't bother to put a claim in, not because he was found to be at fault.

https://humancyclist.wordpress.com/2017/01/15/the-hierarchy-of-the-road/

I'm not sure if it's actually in the Highway Code but I work on the basis that there's a hierarchy that puts pedestrians at the top. From the reports I read at the time of the accident it seemed to me that he could have stopped but wanted to sound his horn and make a point instead.

[naetype]

otolith said:

Jasandjules said:

They need a license plate of some kind on the back so they can be Identified.

You need a barcode on your forehead.

Osinjak said:

ash73 said:

Mave said:

The report suggested he was doing 10-15 mph.

And they were both knocked out? I don't believe that.

Ram your head into a wall at 15mph and see what happens. Do report back when you've recovered (or not).

Two of the best posts I've seen on here for quite some time. Chapeau...

Edited by naetype on Tuesday 25th February 21:05

[gazza285]

Randy Winkman said:

gazza285 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Agreed. But my understanding of the case is that he could easily have avoided hitting her with just a modicum of common-sense and self-restraint. Hence the decision.

By the way; I'm a fanatical cyclist who spent years commuting to London.

What decision? The blame was found to be equal, the pedestrian could also have avoided being hit with just a modicum of common-sense and self-restraint as well. The cyclist was landed with the legal bill as he didn't bother to put a claim in, not because he was found to be at fault.

https://humancyclist.wordpress.com/2017/01/15/the-hierarchy-of-the-road/

I'm not sure if it's actually in the Highway Code but I work on the basis that there's a hierarchy that puts pedestrians at the top. From the reports I read at the time of the accident it seemed to me that he could have stopped but wanted to sound his horn and make a point instead.

That doesn't change the legal position that both were found to be equally to blame, so what decision are you referring to?

[Jasandjules]

otolith said:

You need a barcode on your forehead.

How odd. DO you feel in some way cyclists should be able to be anonymous (whilst other road users are not) and what colour is your lycra?

[gazza285]

Jasandjules said:

otolith said:

You need a barcode on your forehead.

How odd. DO you feel in some way cyclists should be able to be anonymous (whilst other road users are not) and what colour is your lycra?

Are pedestrian road users easily identifiable? Horse riders? How does a registration plate tell you who is/are the road user/s inside the vehicle? With an estimated 1 in 12 cars now using cloned plates, how can you tell which is which?

[Jasandjules]

gazza285 said:

Are pedestrian road users easily identifiable? Horse riders? How does a registration plate tell you who is/are the road user/s inside the vehicle? With an estimated 1 in 12 cars now using cloned plates, how can you tell which is which?

So no need for cars, lorries etc to have them either? Come now, don't be silly.

[Mave]

Jasandjules said:

gazza285 said:

Are pedestrian road users easily identifiable? Horse riders? How does a registration plate tell you who is/are the road user/s inside the vehicle? With an estimated 1 in 12 cars now using cloned plates, how can you tell which is which?

So no need for cars, lorries etc to have them either? Come now, don't be silly.

The need to provide registration is proportional to the risk presented. Lorries and cars present hugely more risk to 3rd parties than cyclists, horse riders or pedestrians, despite being registered.

[gazza285]

Mave said:

Jasandjules said:

gazza285 said:

Are pedestrian road users easily identifiable? Horse riders? How does a registration plate tell you who is/are the road user/s inside the vehicle? With an estimated 1 in 12 cars now using cloned plates, how can you tell which is which?

So no need for cars, lorries etc to have them either? Come now, don't be silly.

The need to provide registration is proportional to the risk presented. Lorries and cars present hugely more risk to 3rd parties than cyclists, horse riders or pedestrians, despite being registered.

Something that Jasandjules doesn’t seem to appreciate.

It seems a little strange to be crowing on about cyclists being anonymous on a thread about one who obviously wasn’t.

[mygoldfishbowl]

Bloody horse riders.

[phil up]

ash73 said:

They share the KE, so it's equivalent to each of them running into a wall at 5 mph; i.e. slow jogging pace.

Physics not your strong point I see.