Emergency legislation - information and commentary

[Jasandjules]

MYOB said:

Can't find anything in the legislation but are people allowed to visit elderly parents who have just been informed they only have a few months to live?

Just go FFS.

[anonymous-user]

Jasandjules said:

MYOB said:

Can't find anything in the legislation but are people allowed to visit elderly parents who have just been informed they only have a few months to live?

Just go FFS.

I always turn those questions on their head; is it morally conscionable to prohibit?

[yellowjack]

Jasandjules said:

MYOB said:

Can't find anything in the legislation but are people allowed to visit elderly parents who have just been informed they only have a few months to live?

Just go FFS.

It's easy to say, but trying to persuade someone that something is perfectly legal, or even just the morally right thing to do, is difficult if that person has been brainwashed by the Big Brother psyops scaremongering, and the curtain-twitching vocal minority pointing and shouting "granny murderer" at anyone who simply wants a change of scenery. Even after the current Covid legislation is either timed out or actively withdrawn by parliament, some of our friends and neighbours will take time to rehabilitate. Some may be irreversibly damaged, and others will need dragging back to reality.

[carinaman]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

Jasandjules said:

MYOB said:

Can't find anything in the legislation but are people allowed to visit elderly parents who have just been informed they only have a few months to live?

Just go FFS.

I always turn those questions on their head; is it morally conscionable to prohibit?

The law is supposed to be proportionate.

Is it proportionate not to visit her given the potential risks?

On the Moral Maze on Radio 4 lastnight I think one talking head likened being in society without having the jab was like wandering around with a loaded gun.

For some reason they also discussed whether people should get benefits if they don't fulfil their end of the deal or contract.

[anonymous-user]

carinaman said:

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

Jasandjules said:

MYOB said:

Can't find anything in the legislation but are people allowed to visit elderly parents who have just been informed they only have a few months to live?

Just go FFS.

I always turn those questions on their head; is it morally conscionable to prohibit?

The law is supposed to be proportionate.

Is it proportionate not to visit her given the potential risks?

On the Moral Maze on Radio 4 lastnight I think one talking head likened being in society without having the jab was like wandering around with a loaded gun.

For some reason they also discussed whether people should get benefits if they don't fulfil their end of the deal or contract.

My parents are in their 80s and the see them a few times a week and have them over for Sunday lunch most weeks. I cannot even contemplate why anyone would not visit their parents if they don’t have long

[Jasandjules]

carinaman said:

Is it proportionate not to visit her given the potential risks?

Please specify the risks and the basis for your assertion.

What you have to ask yourself is would you prefer NOT to see your parents then they die a month later with you not having seen them? The stupid are being told they can't see friends/family and are happy to accept this. But there is only one chance in life to do some things and many years to regret not seeing someone before they die...

[MYOB]

To be clear, I've been telling my mother to go and visit her mother. However, she has taking the guidance and media at face value, as has the rest of the family.

They have ignored my encouragements to visit. Now I've found the legislation, I've forwarded it to my mother and told her to ignore the messages she's reading in the media, guidance and from family and to accept that the legalisation allows for such visits.

Unfortunately, I don't think I've convinced her!

[NGee]

MYOB said:

To be clear, I've been telling my mother to go and visit her mother. However, she has taking the guidance and media at face value, as has the rest of the family.

They have ignored my encouragements to visit. Now I've found the legislation, I've forwarded it to my mother and told her to ignore the messages she's reading in the media, guidance and from family and to accept that the legalisation allows for such visits.

Unfortunately, I don't think I've convinced her!

Ask your mother how she would feel if her mother passed away without her being able to say her final farewells. Then point out to her that she will regret that for the rest of her life.

As others have said, some things just need to be put into perspective.

[MYOB]

NGee said:

MYOB said:

To be clear, I've been telling my mother to go and visit her mother. However, she has taking the guidance and media at face value, as has the rest of the family.

They have ignored my encouragements to visit. Now I've found the legislation, I've forwarded it to my mother and told her to ignore the messages she's reading in the media, guidance and from family and to accept that the legalisation allows for such visits.

Unfortunately, I don't think I've convinced her!

Ask your mother how she would feel if her mother passed away without her being able to say her final farewells. Then point out to her that she will regret that for the rest of her life.

As others have said, some things just need to be put into perspective.

Believe me, I've told her that. She even said that there won't be anywhere to stop for a "powder my nose" break! I've told her the country is still operating and the services are still open!

It's unbelievable how much fear there is in the population!

[unident]

Personally, I’d encourage her to go, but it’s her choice. What I find astonishing is how upset a bunch of strangers seem to be that your mum might not go. Whether she goes or not is her choice, not yours and certainly not those of any random on here.

[NGee]

unident said:

Personally, I’d encourage her to go, but it’s her choice. What I find astonishing is how upset a bunch of strangers seem to be that your mum might not go. Whether she goes or not is her choice, not yours and certainly not those of any random on here.

How do you know there is a 'whole bunch of strangers' getting upset? Unless you know MYOBs mother personally I can't see how you can reach that conclusion.

[unident]

NGee said:

unident said:

Personally, I’d encourage her to go, but it’s her choice. What I find astonishing is how upset a bunch of strangers seem to be that your mum might not go. Whether she goes or not is her choice, not yours and certainly not those of any random on here.

How do you know there is a 'whole bunch of strangers' getting upset? Unless you know MYOBs mother personally I can't see how you can reach that conclusion.

Do all of you on here know her? If not I’d say there’s a whole bunch of strangers getting upset.

[NGee]

unident said:

NGee said:

unident said:

Personally, I’d encourage her to go, but it’s her choice. What I find astonishing is how upset a bunch of strangers seem to be that your mum might not go. Whether she goes or not is her choice, not yours and certainly not those of any random on here.

How do you know there is a 'whole bunch of strangers' getting upset? Unless you know MYOBs mother personally I can't see how you can reach that conclusion.

Do all of you on here know her? If not I’d say there’s a whole bunch of strangers getting upset.

You must have a very strange way of reading things. I don't see anyone here getting upset. Just a few people offering an opinion. It what forums do!!

[unident]

NGee said:

You must have a very strange way of reading things. I don't see anyone here getting upset. Just a few people offering an opinion. It what forums do!!

The language used by those who have answered is clearly emotional from “FFS’ through, “brainwashed”, “psyops”, “scaremongering” to one simply admitting to breaking the law expressing incredulity that others won’t do it as a matter of course.

You will choose not to see any of this, nor will you have seen my comment that I’d encourage her to go either.

[XCP]

garyhun said:

My parents are in their 80s and the see them a few times a week and have them over for Sunday lunch most weeks. I cannot even contemplate why anyone would not visit their parents if they don’t have long

I can
My father is a tt, and I have no idea whether he is alive or dead. Nor, do I care.
Not everyone gets on well with their parents.

[NGee]

unident said:

NGee said:

You must have a very strange way of reading things. I don't see anyone here getting upset. Just a few people offering an opinion. It what forums do!!

The language used by those who have answered is clearly emotional from “FFS’ through, “brainwashed”, “psyops”, “scaremongering” to one simply admitting to breaking the law expressing incredulity that others won’t do it as a matter of course.

You will choose not to see any of this, nor will you have seen my comment that I’d encourage her to go either.

Everyone is entitled to their views but I still don't see anyone (except you) getting upset.

I know you will reply to this as you always have to have the last word. I've made my point and I really couldn't give a toss whether you believe me or not, so I wish you goodnight, I'm off.

[anonymous-user]

XCP said:

garyhun said:

My parents are in their 80s and the see them a few times a week and have them over for Sunday lunch most weeks. I cannot even contemplate why anyone would not visit their parents if they don’t have long

I can
My father is a tt, and I have no idea whether he is alive or dead. Nor, do I care.
Not everyone gets on well with their parents.

Well that’s more a question of visiting tts as opposed to visiting parents.

[carinaman]

People cannot visit their relatives but Hancock can give contracts awarding taxpayers' money to his mates?

[MYOB]

I'm pleased to tell you that mother has heeded my advice and is visiting her ill mother this weekend!

I'm pleased as this should never be legislated against, which it isn't.

[Elysium]

Big moment. We have found a policeman who understands the law and is willing to be honest about what it says:

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/yor...