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unident said:
citizensm1th said:
See my post above,when the British public seem incapable of of exercising restraint and not just sitting at home watching pornhub during a pandemic of this nature I feel the state has to have the powers to treat them like the children they so obviously are.
The only caveat I have is it needs to be time limited
You’ve changed Wolfie. Whatever happened to liberation and your all consuming drive for it from Tooting?The only caveat I have is it needs to be time limited
This applies to the ultra capitalists as much as the feckless who bugger off to the beach hundreds of miles from where they live in times like these.
citizensm1th said:
unident said:
citizensm1th said:
See my post above,when the British public seem incapable of of exercising restraint and not just sitting at home watching pornhub during a pandemic of this nature I feel the state has to have the powers to treat them like the children they so obviously are.
The only caveat I have is it needs to be time limited
You’ve changed Wolfie. Whatever happened to liberation and your all consuming drive for it from Tooting?The only caveat I have is it needs to be time limited
This applies to the ultra capitalists as much as the feckless who bugger off to the beach hundreds of miles from where they live in times like these.
unident said:
Oh dear, no room for humour nowadays I guess as that clearly passed you by.
Not on this subject not now not really. I face the very real possibility of loosing my wife and /or her father neither are thing's I want to deal with because morons will not do as they are asked.
Breadvan72 said:
By the way, confusion reigns in the courts this morning, with some insisting on hearings, jurors being told to assemble, and other courts switching to video and telephone hearings. I was in a hearing last week in a commonwealth jurisdiction where I was number two in a three lawyer team. I was in court with the other parties and the Judge, but the QC instructed by my side and the junior junior were on a videolink from London. It worked well enough. We had suggested that everyone should be on videolink, but the court insisted on gathering seven lawyers , one Judge, and three court staff in one room.
Admit it BV, you really wanted to have the hearing, complete with the big screen and battery pack, on a Caribbean beach. 
motco said:
And this one which gives a more detailed explanation of the maths.anonymous said:
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Exactly we won't all die but we can all pass it on to those that will, and having had the flu I am not particularly keen on catching anything like it(I know covid is not the flu it can be worse) again let alone passing it on to members of my family.The sooner those who think it won't effect them get reined in the better
Red Devil said:
Breadvan72 said:
By the way, confusion reigns in the courts this morning, with some insisting on hearings, jurors being told to assemble, and other courts switching to video and telephone hearings. I was in a hearing last week in a commonwealth jurisdiction where I was number two in a three lawyer team. I was in court with the other parties and the Judge, but the QC instructed by my side and the junior junior were on a videolink from London. It worked well enough. We had suggested that everyone should be on videolink, but the court insisted on gathering seven lawyers , one Judge, and three court staff in one room.
Admit it BV, you really wanted to have the hearing, complete with the big screen and battery pack, on a Caribbean beach. Criminal courts about to go into lockdown mode. Non-urgent business in magistrates’ courts to be vacated and adjourned 6-8 weeks.
The court will continue deal with:
- Custody cases (including overnight prisoners);
- Bail breaches;
- POCA initial applications;
- Variation of curfews etc where there is urgency;
- Applications to extend Custody Time Limits;
- Urgent applications, including DVPOs and Search
- Warrants; closure order;
- Sensitive/high profile cases and those involving children and vulnerable witnesses/victims.
The court will continue deal with:
- Custody cases (including overnight prisoners);
- Bail breaches;
- POCA initial applications;
- Variation of curfews etc where there is urgency;
- Applications to extend Custody Time Limits;
- Urgent applications, including DVPOs and Search
- Warrants; closure order;
- Sensitive/high profile cases and those involving children and vulnerable witnesses/victims.
Breadvan72 said:
Does a staff canteen have a special immunity that a place down the road does not? In any event, quite a few workplaces are now closed.
I thought that the intention was to help prevent the spread of the virus by reducing interaction between people.If the staff canteen could be used, then the staff would not need to mingle with people outside the building whilst walking to and from the shop(s).
I used to work in the particular office I had in mind - With the canteen closed, it means a walk of about a quarter of a mile through a residential area that is heavily weighted towards retired (elderly) people.
rayny said:
Breadvan72 said:
Does a staff canteen have a special immunity that a place down the road does not? In any event, quite a few workplaces are now closed.
I thought that the intention was to help prevent the spread of the virus by reducing interaction between people.If the staff canteen could be used, then the staff would not need to mingle with people outside the building whilst walking to and from the shop(s).
I used to work in the particular office I had in mind - With the canteen closed, it means a walk of about a quarter of a mile through a residential area that is heavily weighted towards retired (elderly) people.
OK. I will spell it out. People in the staff canteen would be mingling. With other people. The virus does not say "Oh, work canteen, that's OK then". FFS, start taking this seriously!
Breadvan72 said:
rayny said:
Breadvan72 said:
Does a staff canteen have a special immunity that a place down the road does not? In any event, quite a few workplaces are now closed.
I thought that the intention was to help prevent the spread of the virus by reducing interaction between people.If the staff canteen could be used, then the staff would not need to mingle with people outside the building whilst walking to and from the shop(s).
I used to work in the particular office I had in mind - With the canteen closed, it means a walk of about a quarter of a mile through a residential area that is heavily weighted towards retired (elderly) people.
OK. I will spell it out. People in the staff canteen would be mingling. With other people. The virus does not say "Oh, work canteen, that's OK then". FFS, start taking this seriously!
The idea is to keep public interaction to a minimum.
In the canteen staff would be mingling with people they are spending the working day with anyway.
By going out to get their lunch they are possibly going to interact with an extended group of, possibly vulnerable, people.
I'm sorry if I did not make this clear in my previous post .
Breadvan72 said:
Red Devil said:
Breadvan72 said:
By the way, confusion reigns in the courts this morning, with some insisting on hearings, jurors being told to assemble, and other courts switching to video and telephone hearings. I was in a hearing last week in a commonwealth jurisdiction where I was number two in a three lawyer team. I was in court with the other parties and the Judge, but the QC instructed by my side and the junior junior were on a videolink from London. It worked well enough. We had suggested that everyone should be on videolink, but the court insisted on gathering seven lawyers , one Judge, and three court staff in one room.
Admit it BV, you really wanted to have the hearing, complete with the big screen and battery pack, on a Caribbean beach. 
barian said:
I will stay out of this particular debate, but reading the legislation again I was surprised (I will not say disappointed) to note that massage parlours are required to close. Do these involve much in the way of social interaction?
They pride themselves on it at Tingles in Stoke anonymous said:
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Everyone who gets flu feels really bad for several days and large numbers of young and old die from it yet every year many people have to be chased to have immunisation and still don't bother, even those at serious risk, putting others at risk of it.Whereas with Covid-19 most people will have at worst a heavy cold, though some people, mostly the very old or those with serious health problems, will get seriously ill and die. Several thousand people will die some years from flu in the UK. We don't know how many people will die from Covid-19, but we do know that out of a population of 1.4 billion in China only 3000 people have died, this after several months and likely millions infected.
The latest edict from someone who has only been in office for 3 months is the biggest assault on individual liberty in modern history, probably outstripping those of wartime. However it is the economic consequences which will have the biggest impact on all our lives as the recession which has already started is almost certainly to be deeper than anything we have ever seen.
It is well established that the most important determinant of health in a population is the socio-economic status of that group of people. It's a sad fact that a whole generation of young people are now going to grow up in poverty as a result, not from the virus but the decisons to close thousands of businesses leading to mass unemployment and an economic crisis. These young people's loss of life chances will lead inevitably to long term health issues such as chronic physical and mental health problems resulting in premature death and reduced lifespan.
There is no evidence that any thought has been given to the long term outcomes of these decisons with the focus being merely on the most immediate short-term outcome of reducing the number of deaths from the virus in a population largely of the very old and frail, who, if this had been a typical flu epidemic, would have been left to die naturally from what used to be called "the old persons friend" along with a significant number of young people.
So large numbers of people have been condemned to a lifetime of ill health and poverty without anyone being asked whether this is the best way to manage this problem.
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