Grassing up a Covid **** taker.

[Phil.]

Evanivitch said:

grudas said:

Think you'll find that people just can't be arsed with you anymore as it goes nowhere lol.

I thought we'd all be directed to the other thread because Phil. couldn't address our points?

You guys can’t deal with the government’s own facts

Go on tell me we are in the middle of a pandemic and why. Let me guess ‘cases’

Or perhaps if we don’t have a lockdown in Wales this week there won’t be enough staff to care for the ill. Remember that Evan

[Phil.]

Killboy, where are you and your graphs

[Phil.]

Evanivitch said:

I thought we'd all be directed to the other thread because Phil. Can’t be arsed couldn't address our points with addressing your ridiculous arguments?

You wouldn’t dare post the rubbish you’ve posted on here on the other thread that I have been pointing you towards. The proof of that theory is that you haven’t.



Responses to government facts please. Not contrary data dug up from some random source to distract from the debate. Let’s have your explanation of why the imminent lockdown in Wales, that you have been so looking forward to, is required and is justified by the government’s own death impact data

[Killboy]

Phil. said:

Killboy, where are you and your graphs

They are above. Discussing covid. If you are making more predictions I'll happily track those for you.

Looking at overall deaths, it makes sense. There must be a tenth of people out and about. I'm not sure which cause of death is transmittable, except maybe suicide from reading your posts.

Let me know if you want to revise your predictions. Because none of them are on track

[grudas]

So Phils graphs are showing steady increase in deaths? I thought they were going to drop and it's just a casedemic ?

can you also explain to me what a casedemic is? as obviously

more cases = more deaths and deaths is what we're trying to avoid here.

even with lockdowns, majority distancing and wearing a mask we're seeing huge numbers(probably not as big as first round but first round we had no testing so we have no idea what the numbers were but I'd guess into hundreds of thousands a day.)

so now 2nd round we've got

more testing
still ste T&T
better drugs/medical knowledge
weaker lockdown
different way of calculating death from covid(the 28 day rule)
and numbers that have been steadily going up..

even with all these draconian lockdowns(see china if you want to see draconian lol)

[KAgantua]

How much are the government paying you to post this nonsense? ^

[Phil.]

grudas said:

So Phils graphs are showing steady increase in deaths? I thought they were going to drop and it's just a casedemic ?

can you also explain to me what a casedemic is? as obviously

more cases = more deaths and deaths is what we're trying to avoid here.

even with lockdowns, majority distancing and wearing a mask we're seeing huge numbers(probably not as big as first round but first round we had no testing so we have no idea what the numbers were but I'd guess into hundreds of thousands a day.)

so now 2nd round we've got

more testing
still ste T&T
better drugs/medical knowledge
weaker lockdown
different way of calculating death from covid(the 28 day rule)
and numbers that have been steadily going up..

even with all these draconian lockdowns(see china if you want to see draconian lol)

Lots of diversory silly questions in response as expected. Not one answer to any of the serous questions I posed along with government facts, because you can’t accept what is really happening and want to continue to believe the casedemic hype. You can’t even be bothered to find out what casedemic means and want to draw me in to a discussion about its definition. There is no hope for you and your kind I’m afraid.

[grudas]

seems like all your responses end up with the same tosh

"you don't bother reading my twitter post or excel 95 graphs"

I literally looked at your graphs and said the deaths are clearly going up and gave my opinion on why I think it looks like the deaths are lower now vs March/April/May.

you can't explain casedemic because it's yet another one of the catchy phrases/words used by conspiracy theorists.

"new world order"
"casedemic"
"great reset"

etc

how much is government paying me for what, common sense and not thinking that everyone out is out there to get me and my data ?

why is Phil. doing this?

[Phil.]

grudas said:

seems like all your responses end up with the same tosh

"you don't bother reading my twitter post or excel 95 graphs"

I literally looked at your graphs and said the deaths are clearly going up and gave my opinion on why I think it looks like the deaths are lower now vs March/April/May.

you can't explain casedemic because it's yet another one of the catchy phrases/words used by conspiracy theorists.

"new world order"
"casedemic"
"great reset"

etc

how much is government paying me for what, common sense and not thinking that everyone out is out there to get me and my data ?

why is Phil. doing this?

Says the person who won’t respond to the serious points I have made and yet responds with nonsensical twaddle expecting me to respond to them

Edited to add. I think you need a trip to Specsavers if you think the present rise in COVID deaths, as evidenced by the government’s own figures, is sufficient to warrant the continuing and escalating lockdowns along with all the negative consequences of such lockdowns. How about commenting on that point and justifying your continued love of lockdowns rather than your usual diversory responses?

Edited by Phil. on Thursday 22 October 10:37

[Phil.]

Killboy said:

They are above. Discussing covid. If you are making more predictions I'll happily track those for you.

Looking at overall deaths, it makes sense. There must be a tenth of people out and about. I'm not sure which cause of death is transmittable, except maybe suicide from reading your posts.

Let me know if you want to revise your predictions. Because none of them are on track

My predictions are looking bang on as evidenced by the government’s own figures

[Killboy]

Phil. said:

My predictions are looking bang on as evidenced by the government’s own figures

That Susceptibility to misinformation about COVID-19 study is looking bang on too.

[Phil.]

Killboy said:

Phil. said:

My predictions are looking bang on as evidenced by the government’s own figures

That Susceptibility to misinformation about COVID-19 study is looking bang on too.

Not this time. Government figures and facts. You can’t wriggle out of this one

[grudas]

Phil. said:

Not this time. Government figures and facts. You can’t wriggle out of this one

of course he can, he just needs to find some graphs on twitter

I do hope the lockdowns/restrictions do the trick and reduce the spread/deaths

if not we'll be in for a rough winter..

[Killboy]

Phil. said:

Not this time. Government figures and facts. You can’t wriggle out of this one

On infections, hospitalisations, and death rates? Lol. What are you on about?

[grudas]

Killboy said:

On infections, hospitalisations, and death rates? Lol. What are you on about?

seems to be a thing with Phil.

I can only imagine he's too stubborn to admit he's wrong?

all I get is the same response

"well you won't look at my graphs/facts/etc so I won't bother with you"

eh.

[Killboy]

Phil. said:

I predict the virus will be producing minimal deaths in the next few months and cases will reduce

Every single metric on the rise. I'll even leave the daily positive count out of this as its partly a function of increased testing.

[Sticks.]

Respiratory infection deaths rise at this time every year. The question is, how much above the norm (5 year average) are we this year and how does it look going forward?

Here's a link the the govt's own (ONS) data I posted earlier. Just have a look at graphs in fig 1 and 2 if you don't want to read it all https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

Not someone's Twitter account or a 'covid denier', the official figures.

Perhaps someone who has the tech could lift out and post the graphs for those that CBA to follow the link.

[Phil.]

Sticks. said:

Respiratory infection deaths rise at this time every year. The question is, how much above the norm (5 year average) are we this year and how does it look going forward?

Here's a link the the govt's own (ONS) data I posted earlier. Just have a look at graphs in fig 1 and 2 if you don't want to read it all https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

Not someone's Twitter account or a 'covid denier', the official figures.

Perhaps someone who has the tech could lift out and post the graphs for those that CBA to follow the link.

That’s exactly what I posted above thanks to your earlier link. I even extracted the graphs for them and provided an Exec summary because I knew they wouldn’t click the link before responding. They haven’t considered my post before posting their usual defensive idiotic responses.

They are muppets I’m afraid who believe in Boris and his lockdowns. Nothing, no facts, will change their ingrained beliefs. Unfortunately they represent a good portion of those across the country who voted for Boris and Brexit. It’s really saddening to see how dense the average person is and how they are prepared to follow the pied piper in the face of irrefutable facts and lies.

[grudas]

Sticks. said:

Respiratory infection deaths rise at this time every year. The question is, how much above the norm (5 year average) are we this year and how does it look going forward?

Here's a link the the govt's own (ONS) data I posted earlier. Just have a look at graphs in fig 1 and 2 if you don't want to read it all https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

Not someone's Twitter account or a 'covid denier', the official figures.

Perhaps someone who has the tech could lift out and post the graphs for those that CBA to follow the link.

I think the thing we all have to keep in mind is:

This is just the start of the season
ICU/NHS capacity usually sits at 90%+ without covid
if it gets overwhelmed we'll have to prioritize, old can go, young/working age can get treatment etc.

with overwhelmed NHS we'll end up with a LOT of non covid related deaths due to so simple problem - no capacity to treat those patients/postponed operations/treatment etc.

I think it's wrong to focus on covid only, it's just a part of a much bigger problem.

the issue is that covid is new and hardly under control and that is what no government is prepared to deal with, some do it better others not.

and as we all know, UK is not in a good shape when it comes to NHS funding, ICU capacity etc.

other countries like Germany are in a better shape and are still locking down to slow it down/flatten covid as much as they can.

they had years and years to prepare for your usual flu season but covid on top of flu and they're not ready.

letting it roam would literally overwhelm our hospitals and excess deaths would be ridiculous.

all I can think of is them somewhat attempting to manage it, will it work or won't it work is to be seen.

[NGee]

The graphs linked to by 'Sticks' appear earlier in this thread. Unfortunately there are some people on here that just can't see what is staring them in the eye. (and I don't mean Phil!)