I want his badge....
Discussion
OK first let me start by saying I am not anti Police and I was in 2 minds to post something on here but its the only forum I am on which specifically has a section for this type of thing.
Somehow I managed to watch one of these videos where people go around filming a site which might be considered sensitive (i.e. Police station/prison) and then seeing if they are stopped or 'harassed' by Police. Whilst they could fall under the heading of 'Police baiting' a lot of the ones I have seen are pretty reasonable. On some the Police are fine and on some they are woeful. I must have seen 20 of them.
Some Police invoke terror legislation and some don't. The guidance that is quote by these 'auditors' as they call themselves comes from the Police and clearly states photographing in itself is not considered suspicious behaviour.
Like I say, I wasn't going to post anything until I saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ2zUh4C-WA
The Police response is here:
https://www.facebook.com/570296833345193/posts/117...
Personally I think the response of the Police (i.e. the statement) is pretty piss poor. That Officer that refuses to give his details looks to me like a textbook loose canon.
Thoughts?
Somehow I managed to watch one of these videos where people go around filming a site which might be considered sensitive (i.e. Police station/prison) and then seeing if they are stopped or 'harassed' by Police. Whilst they could fall under the heading of 'Police baiting' a lot of the ones I have seen are pretty reasonable. On some the Police are fine and on some they are woeful. I must have seen 20 of them.
Some Police invoke terror legislation and some don't. The guidance that is quote by these 'auditors' as they call themselves comes from the Police and clearly states photographing in itself is not considered suspicious behaviour.
Like I say, I wasn't going to post anything until I saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ2zUh4C-WA
The Police response is here:
https://www.facebook.com/570296833345193/posts/117...
Personally I think the response of the Police (i.e. the statement) is pretty piss poor. That Officer that refuses to give his details looks to me like a textbook loose canon.
Thoughts?
I have no intention of watching whatever it is on YT but the sort of nonces who go out deliberately provoking a response from the police deserve whatever they get.
Obviously the police should respond professionally, and within the law and whatever procedures they're supposed to follow, but I find baiting them to be like poking a big dog with a stick and then demanding it's put down when it bites you.
They've got enough on their plates without this sort of bks.
Obviously the police should respond professionally, and within the law and whatever procedures they're supposed to follow, but I find baiting them to be like poking a big dog with a stick and then demanding it's put down when it bites you.
They've got enough on their plates without this sort of bks.
I got board after about 4 minutes but my initial thoughts are the chap filming is a bit of a prick and only trying to provoke a response.
If he got a response he didn’t like later in the video then perhaps he just got what he asked for?
What normal person would even do st like that
If he got a response he didn’t like later in the video then perhaps he just got what he asked for?
What normal person would even do st like that
Mojooo said:
OK first let me start by saying I am not anti Police and I was in 2 minds to post something on here but its the only forum I am on which specifically has a section for this type of thing.
Somehow I managed to watch one of these videos where people go around filming a site which might be considered sensitive (i.e. Police station/prison) and then seeing if they are stopped or 'harassed' by Police. Whilst they could fall under the heading of 'Police baiting' a lot of the ones I have seen are pretty reasonable. On some the Police are fine and on some they are woeful. I must have seen 20 of them.
Some Police invoke terror legislation and some don't. The guidance that is quote by these 'auditors' as they call themselves comes from the Police and clearly states photographing in itself is not considered suspicious behaviour.
Like I say, I wasn't going to post anything until I saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ2zUh4C-WA
The Police response is here:
https://www.facebook.com/570296833345193/posts/117...
Personally I think the response of the Police (i.e. the statement) is pretty piss poor. That Officer that refuses to give his details looks to me like a textbook loose canon.
Thoughts?
Somehow I managed to watch one of these videos where people go around filming a site which might be considered sensitive (i.e. Police station/prison) and then seeing if they are stopped or 'harassed' by Police. Whilst they could fall under the heading of 'Police baiting' a lot of the ones I have seen are pretty reasonable. On some the Police are fine and on some they are woeful. I must have seen 20 of them.
Some Police invoke terror legislation and some don't. The guidance that is quote by these 'auditors' as they call themselves comes from the Police and clearly states photographing in itself is not considered suspicious behaviour.
Like I say, I wasn't going to post anything until I saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ2zUh4C-WA
The Police response is here:
https://www.facebook.com/570296833345193/posts/117...
Personally I think the response of the Police (i.e. the statement) is pretty piss poor. That Officer that refuses to give his details looks to me like a textbook loose canon.
Thoughts?
UpThe said:
Mojooo said:
Thoughts?
You are as much of a tt for posting this thread, as the clown on the YouTube video. HTH.There are loads where the Police are fine and they are praised for it.
You should very much be concerned with what happens in that video.
Hoonigan said:
Mojooo said:
You should very much be concerned with what happens in that video.
Only if he/she also behaves like a around a police station...Fact is he was doing nothing wrong or illegal and the guy was on a power trip
The reality is there are loads of clips where officers behave perfectly professionally.
I suspect that officer doesn't need people to behave like s before he starts bypassing procedure.
Mojooo said:
Hoonigan said:
Mojooo said:
You should very much be concerned with what happens in that video.
Only if he/she also behaves like a around a police station...Fact is he was doing nothing wrong or illegal and the guy was on a power trip
The reality is there are loads of clips where officers behave perfectly professionally.
I suspect that officer doesn't need people to behave like s before he starts bypassing procedure.
Try not to be a nobber.
Mojooo said:
UpThe said:
Mojooo said:
Thoughts?
You are as much of a tt for posting this thread, as the clown on the YouTube video. HTH.There are loads where the Police are fine and they are praised for it.
You should very much be concerned with what happens in that video.
hth
Pothole said:
Mojooo said:
Hoonigan said:
Mojooo said:
You should very much be concerned with what happens in that video.
Only if he/she also behaves like a around a police station...Fact is he was doing nothing wrong or illegal and the guy was on a power trip
The reality is there are loads of clips where officers behave perfectly professionally.
I suspect that officer doesn't need people to behave like s before he starts bypassing procedure.
Try not to be a nobber.
I look at this slightly differently as I do a bit of hobby photography in my spare time, and photographers/videographers seemingly have a constant battle with the Police and over-zealous security guards.
The Police only have themselves to blame in cases like this.
They know fine well that filming and photographing in a public place is legal, yet sometimes they let their egos get the better of them and simply make up laws on the spot and threaten to arrest instead of simply walking away.
As the OP says, most officers in these kind of videos simply walk away, but occasionally you get a real hot-head who just cannot control his ego or resist throwing his weight around, and to be honest, these are the ones that need ‘outing’ and dealt with.
As far as I’m concerned, these sort of ‘baiting’ videos are an easy way to discover ‘pillock’ officers. Sure, the people making these videos are obnoxious twerps, but they aren’t in the wrong. The Police are.
The Police only have themselves to blame in cases like this.
They know fine well that filming and photographing in a public place is legal, yet sometimes they let their egos get the better of them and simply make up laws on the spot and threaten to arrest instead of simply walking away.
As the OP says, most officers in these kind of videos simply walk away, but occasionally you get a real hot-head who just cannot control his ego or resist throwing his weight around, and to be honest, these are the ones that need ‘outing’ and dealt with.
As far as I’m concerned, these sort of ‘baiting’ videos are an easy way to discover ‘pillock’ officers. Sure, the people making these videos are obnoxious twerps, but they aren’t in the wrong. The Police are.
singlecoil said:
Police are people too. Don't be surprised that they may occasionally behave like people.
Which is fine, but they should expect to be sacked or reprimanded for it, the same as anyone else would do if they behaved badly at work.I’ve had many instances in my early career when I wanted to punch someone, tell someone to go fk themselves, being down a rain of st on someone just because they annoyed me, and so on.
But I never did, I bit my tongue and acted professionally at all times. The Police should be more aware of the need to be professional than anyone. Especially when the person filming them is clearly doing it to see if they will behave unprofessionally.
Can’t be bothered watching some throbber filming outside sensitive sites purely to get a response and certainly won’t be adding to his hits. I was a Senior Prison Officer for nearly 20yrs and was IC Gate and Control Room at Cat B locals and Cat A High Security Prisons.
The filming outside of Prisons is subject to restrictions and the staff and visitors to any establishment are entitled to privacy.
I moved people on and had them dealt with by the Police in situations like this. There is a reason Prison Officers and Police Officers wear epaulettes with numbers on. Staff and visitors to Police stations and Prisons have a right to privacy and their families have a right to it to.
Stop watching crap on the internet and revelling in it.
The filming outside of Prisons is subject to restrictions and the staff and visitors to any establishment are entitled to privacy.
I moved people on and had them dealt with by the Police in situations like this. There is a reason Prison Officers and Police Officers wear epaulettes with numbers on. Staff and visitors to Police stations and Prisons have a right to privacy and their families have a right to it to.
Stop watching crap on the internet and revelling in it.
Mikebentley said:
Can’t be bothered watching some throbber filming outside sensitive sites purely to get a response and certainly won’t be adding to his hits. I was a Senior Prison Officer for nearly 20yrs and was IC Gate and Control Room at Cat B locals and Cat A High Security Prisons.
The filming outside of Prisons is subject to restrictions and the staff and visitors to any establishment are entitled to privacy.
I moved people on and had them dealt with by the Police in situations like this. There is a reason Prison Officers and Police Officers wear epaulettes with numbers on. Staff and visitors to Police stations and Prisons have a right to privacy and their families have a right to it to.
Stop watching crap on the internet and revelling in it.
Can you point me to the relevant laws and/or restrictions that limit filming or photography outside prisons please.The filming outside of Prisons is subject to restrictions and the staff and visitors to any establishment are entitled to privacy.
I moved people on and had them dealt with by the Police in situations like this. There is a reason Prison Officers and Police Officers wear epaulettes with numbers on. Staff and visitors to Police stations and Prisons have a right to privacy and their families have a right to it to.
Stop watching crap on the internet and revelling in it.
I'm conflicted here; as one of those à la mode lefty lawyers I appreciate the need for the police to abide by laws put in place to regulate their behaviour. Societies where the police are effectively a law unto themselves show that that is a very undesirable state of affairs. On the other hand this chap is clearly an almighty pain in the arse, goes out looking for trouble, and may well benefit in the long run by being given a good kicking in the back of a meat wagon. Tricky one.
Mikebentley said:
Can’t be bothered watching some throbber filming outside sensitive sites purely to get a response and certainly won’t be adding to his hits. I was a Senior Prison Officer for nearly 20yrs and was IC Gate and Control Room at Cat B locals and Cat A High Security Prisons.
The filming outside of Prisons is subject to restrictions and the staff and visitors to any establishment are entitled to privacy.
I moved people on and had them dealt with by the Police in situations like this. There is a reason Prison Officers and Police Officers wear epaulettes with numbers on. Staff and visitors to Police stations and Prisons have a right to privacy and their families have a right to it to.
Stop watching crap on the internet and revelling in it.
you will love his prison videoThe filming outside of Prisons is subject to restrictions and the staff and visitors to any establishment are entitled to privacy.
I moved people on and had them dealt with by the Police in situations like this. There is a reason Prison Officers and Police Officers wear epaulettes with numbers on. Staff and visitors to Police stations and Prisons have a right to privacy and their families have a right to it to.
Stop watching crap on the internet and revelling in it.
its absolutely farcical
on behalf of the prison staff of course
Roger Irrelevant said:
I'm conflicted here; as one of those à la mode lefty lawyers I appreciate the need for the police to abide by laws put in place to regulate their behaviour. Societies where the police are effectively a law unto themselves show that that is a very undesirable state of affairs. On the other hand this chap is clearly an almighty pain in the arse, goes out looking for trouble, and may well benefit in the long run by being given a good kicking in the back of a meat wagon. Tricky one.
I think the thing is they have found a nichesomething the Police think is wrong/which they are uncomfortable with but which is not a crime
here is an example of it being handled well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEcCxS2-zLk
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