I want his badge....

[eldar]

Goon with camera and over inflated ego seeks online fam by harassing people for his own gratification.

People like them make life hard for proper photographers.

[anonymous-user]

There is another guy on YouTube called Charlie Veitch who has done similar stuff for years.

https://www.youtube.com/c/CharlesVeitch

He goes round filming ‘incidents’ in city centres, and occasionally a Police officer will tell him to ‘stop filming’ which of course is what he wants. He then makes them look silly.

He is massively, massively obnoxious, and you will want to punch him, but he knows the law and acts within it.

[Enut]

I watched as much as I could tolerate of this and I'm wondering why he wasn't charged with wasting police time. They have a tough job and dealing with idiots like this must really test their patience. With the threat of terrorism ever greater in this country he wants to exercise his right to video the police station and officers. Moron.

Self professed serial complainer and idiot with absolutely no respect for the Police, Hats off to the officers involved for remaining as calm as they did.

[PorkInsider]

Mojooo said:

Roger Irrelevant said:

I'm conflicted here; as one of those à la mode lefty lawyers I appreciate the need for the police to abide by laws put in place to regulate their behaviour. Societies where the police are effectively a law unto themselves show that that is a very undesirable state of affairs. On the other hand this chap is clearly an almighty pain in the arse, goes out looking for trouble, and may well benefit in the long run by being given a good kicking in the back of a meat wagon. Tricky one.

I think the thing is they have found a niche

something the Police think is wrong/which they are uncomfortable with but which is not a crime

here is an example of it being handled well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEcCxS2-zLk

You seem to be looking at it like it's a sport.

I still won't be watching any of the clips - views encourage idiots to make more of them - but I'm inclined to think Roger Irrelevant is onto something with the suggestion of a good kicking.

[Mikebentley]

No I can’t. Left the job 6 yrs ago and can’t remember what the specific guidelines we acted upon were. I know it was always viewed more seriously at Cat A establishments though as when looking after terrorists there were potentially other risks to staff. As I stated earlier though visitors also were deemed as being potentially vulnerable if filmed/photographed arriving or leaving.

In fairness when this was explained most people understood and hadn’t realised the risk/dangers they may inadvertently place people in and stopped. In the case of press they would set up a distance from the gate not on HM Prison land and would not film staff/visitors.

[Mojooo]

PorkInsider said:

Mojooo said:

Roger Irrelevant said:

I'm conflicted here; as one of those à la mode lefty lawyers I appreciate the need for the police to abide by laws put in place to regulate their behaviour. Societies where the police are effectively a law unto themselves show that that is a very undesirable state of affairs. On the other hand this chap is clearly an almighty pain in the arse, goes out looking for trouble, and may well benefit in the long run by being given a good kicking in the back of a meat wagon. Tricky one.

I think the thing is they have found a niche

something the Police think is wrong/which they are uncomfortable with but which is not a crime

here is an example of it being handled well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEcCxS2-zLk

You seem to be looking at it like it's a sport.

I still won't be watching any of the clips - views encourage idiots to make more of them - but I'm inclined to think Roger Irrelevant is onto something with the suggestion of a good kicking.

I watch it because its educational.

[Durzel]

I’m not anti-Police, I just go searching for videos where people antagonise them. Totally normal behaviour.

[Mojooo]

Durzel said:

I’m not anti-Police, I just go searching for videos where people antagonise them. Totally normal behaviour.

So you think the behaviour in the first post is acceptable?

I don't need to search for them - as soon as you watch one on youtube you are inundated

[Durzel]

Mojooo said:

So you think the behaviour in the first post is acceptable?

I don't need to search for them - as soon as you watch one on youtube you are inundated

I’d venture if you went searching for them in the first place then you’re starting from a place of disingenuousness.

I have zero interest in watching videos where someone’s starting point is “filming a site which might be considered sensitive“ (the fact you downplay this speaks volumes imo) to get a reaction, and then to post that reaction on YouTube. They are not acting in good faith, and neither are you.

[Mojooo]

Durzel said:

Mojooo said:

So you think the behaviour in the first post is acceptable?

I don't need to search for them - as soon as you watch one on youtube you are inundated

I’d venture if you went searching for them in the first place then you’re starting from a place of disingenuousness.

I have zero interest in watching videos where someone’s starting point is “filming a site which might be considered sensitive“ (the fact you downplay this speaks volumes imo) to get a reaction, and then to post that reaction on YouTube. They are not acting in good faith, and neither are you.

Comeback when you have learnt how YT works.

[Durzel]

Mojooo said:

Comeback when you have learnt how YT works.

Lol is that seriously your retort?

Guess what, I haven’t been recommended any of these videos yet because I haven’t watched any of them, just like I don’t get recommended any about painting my nails or the best croquet and knitting tips. I guess if I frequent places that promote these videos and then start clicking on them - as you have - then I’ll start getting recommended them, like “5G kills wake up sheeple” and other fringe and inflammatory views.

YouTube recommends stuff based on what you’ve already watched, or what Google knows about you and what it thinks you’re likely to watch. That’s not any great mystery.

I’m saying that I don’t believe you were acting in good faith posting this thread, and that you’re not earnest in saying that you’re not anti-Police. Like I said the fact you’re minimising the whole “filming on private property” thing says far more about your point of view than anything else you’ve written. Simply put, I think - like the cretins in the video - are looking for a reaction and acting incredulous when they get one.

If you want a more moderate “giving the benefit of the doubt” point of view - cops are people, there’s bad ones and good ones. Being human when pushed to the point of frustration by people looking to wind them up I can understand why they might have an outburst. Imagine having to deal with people like that regularly. I refuse to give people who act this way, or link to their exploits, the attention they crave. Nothing positive comes out of it.

Edited by Durzel on Tuesday 20th October 00:20

[Frank7]

Enut said:

I watched as much as I could tolerate of this and I'm wondering why he wasn't charged with wasting police time. They have a tough job and dealing with idiots like this must really test their patience. With the threat of terrorism ever greater in this country he wants to exercise his right to video the police station and officers. Moron.

Self professed serial complainer and idiot with absolutely no respect for the Police, Hats off to the officers involved for remaining as calm as they did.

You’re preaching to the choir with me, I was really surprised at myself for watching until the end, although I would have thought that the non displaying of epaulette numbers was a no-no.
I thought that the big guy driving the van was a model of restraint, he played a blinder by not smacking that annoying little turd right in the mouth, of course he would have been wrong to do it, but the cretin was begging for it.

[Lardydah]

Lots of videos like this on YouTube, you can end up going down a right rabbit hole. It'd be nice if everybody just got on with everybody else, but we don't live in utopia unfortunately.

The real reason I'm posting is to mention the Ken Livingstone Westfield video - maybe a little edited, but it's pretty funny, I can't believe the officers don't just walk away.

[TheDrownedApe]

I cant believe that ppl actually go and do this stuff just to get a reaction. What a waste of oxygen

[anonymous-user]

I think for me it depends who is doing this 'testing of rights'.

These kinds of videos are often carried out by hugely obnoxious twerps as I have said already in this thread, but sometimes these kind of videos are produced by serious photographers.

9 years ago there was a video called 'Stand your ground' and it was produced by a bunch of perfectly polite, respectable, 50 year old, cardigan wearing architecture photographers who went out into London and started photographing buildings. What happened? Well, predictably security guards turned up and basically started making up laws that didn't exist and tried to harass the photographers into going away, deleting photos, and all sorts of other things they aren't entitled to ask. Thankfully some police officers who did turn up knew the law and told the photographers to carry on, much to the anger of the security guards.

This was at a time when photographers rights were seriously under threat from the new Counter-Terrorism Acts and there was a real risk that being able to photograph freely in public could potentially be classed as an offence if the law was misused.

Whilst I don't agree with how they go about it, these idiots on Youtube do sometimes serve a purpose in 'educating' officers. I've lost count of the number of videos I have seen where a police officer has told someone not to photograph something or not to film something as it is 'against the law' or 'you need my permission' and then after a call to their superiors, they suddenly realise they are in the wrong, and they usually just walk off without even apologising which I tend to think is bad form.

[Neonblau]

TheDrownedApe said:

I cant believe that ppl actually go and do this stuff just to get a reaction. What a waste of oxygen

Then some knob watches them and posts the links on a car forum. God knows what his agenda is.

[scoey1001]

Obviously there are better ways of going about it but if you look at how some police attempt to abuse their powers on camera then just think about what some of them do when they aren't being filmed. They need better training and knowledge of the laws they are enforcing.

[Greendubber]

Lord Marylebone said:

There is another guy on YouTube called Charlie Veitch who has done similar stuff for years.

https://www.youtube.com/c/CharlesVeitch

He goes round filming ‘incidents’ in city centres, and occasionally a Police officer will tell him to ‘stop filming’ which of course is what he wants. He then makes them look silly.

He is massively, massively obnoxious, and you will want to punch him, but he knows the law and acts within it.

What he doesn't show you is when it goes wrong for him.

Like when they arrested him.

[focusxr5]

We had this recently at our work site. Nothing illegal specifically but our site has 2 gates. One gate where the ARV's go in and out, and one that leads to where we park our private cars. This particularly obnoxious guy was filming the latter. He was on public land and well within the law, but he was specifically filming our private cars comig and going to ensure he got a reaction. Because of what we do, no one wants the reg of their own car plastered all over YT where the morons who watch these videos can see. My work should not affect the safety and security of my family because some throbber put my car vrm in a public place. They don't care about that though, just their subscription count.

[V8RX7]

PorkInsider said:

The sort of nonces who go out deliberately provoking a response from the police deserve whatever they get.

Obviously the police should respond professionally, and within the law and whatever procedures they're supposed to follow, but I find baiting them to be like poking a big dog with a stick and then demanding it's put down when it bites you.

^^^ This