How to get items back from the Police, that they "lost"
Discussion
KingofKong said:
My dad had an ex-policeman working for him, really nice fella and was quite open about how he left the force.
The long story short, items that were in stock over X number of days/months unclaimed would end up going to auction.
It was common, according to him, for certain items to go missing rather than go to auction. The ex-officer took or was given a bike from the stores and he said he was set up by one of his seniors who didn’t like him. He was ultimately dismissed and as above quite open about what happened, he said it was a commonly known ‘perk’ of the job right up until he took something, prior to this ‘they’ were all at it, including senior staff.
I suspect he was caught in some kind of internal investigation, it happens in all walks of life, if there’s an opportunity somebody will take advantage somewhere.
Sorry I disagree. Under no circumstances would an officer take home property as a perk and it was accepted. Maybe between certain very small number officers keeping it to themselves but no force policy or other officers would allow it. Most certainly in that nick alone other officers would leg them if they became aware. The long story short, items that were in stock over X number of days/months unclaimed would end up going to auction.
It was common, according to him, for certain items to go missing rather than go to auction. The ex-officer took or was given a bike from the stores and he said he was set up by one of his seniors who didn’t like him. He was ultimately dismissed and as above quite open about what happened, he said it was a commonly known ‘perk’ of the job right up until he took something, prior to this ‘they’ were all at it, including senior staff.
I suspect he was caught in some kind of internal investigation, it happens in all walks of life, if there’s an opportunity somebody will take advantage somewhere.
The reason why is theft would be rife. No border or boundary.
Thats explaining someone's behaviour away as the norm when it isn't.
Hugo Stiglitz said:
KingofKong said:
My dad had an ex-policeman working for him, really nice fella and was quite open about how he left the force.
The long story short, items that were in stock over X number of days/months unclaimed would end up going to auction.
It was common, according to him, for certain items to go missing rather than go to auction. The ex-officer took or was given a bike from the stores and he said he was set up by one of his seniors who didn’t like him. He was ultimately dismissed and as above quite open about what happened, he said it was a commonly known ‘perk’ of the job right up until he took something, prior to this ‘they’ were all at it, including senior staff.
I suspect he was caught in some kind of internal investigation, it happens in all walks of life, if there’s an opportunity somebody will take advantage somewhere.
Sorry I disagree. Under no circumstances would an officer take home property as a perk and it was accepted. Maybe between certain very small number officers keeping it to themselves but no force policy or other officers would allow it. Most certainly in that nick alone other officers would leg them if they became aware. The long story short, items that were in stock over X number of days/months unclaimed would end up going to auction.
It was common, according to him, for certain items to go missing rather than go to auction. The ex-officer took or was given a bike from the stores and he said he was set up by one of his seniors who didn’t like him. He was ultimately dismissed and as above quite open about what happened, he said it was a commonly known ‘perk’ of the job right up until he took something, prior to this ‘they’ were all at it, including senior staff.
I suspect he was caught in some kind of internal investigation, it happens in all walks of life, if there’s an opportunity somebody will take advantage somewhere.
The reason why is theft would be rife. No border or boundary.
Thats explaining someone's behaviour away as the norm when it isn't.
Sgt Bilko said:
What about the 22 officers suspended from GMP for allegedly using knocked off clothing for covert work? I think some may have been reinstated now, but it was still property/evidence.
What about going and finding the story, reading and understanding it, checking it's actually relevant, then posting your findings instead of this lazy, half-arsed version? Who knows, it might actually support your point. Pothole said:
Sgt Bilko said:
What about the 22 officers suspended from GMP for allegedly using knocked off clothing for covert work? I think some may have been reinstated now, but it was still property/evidence.
What about going and finding the story, reading and understanding it, checking it's actually relevant, then posting your findings instead of this lazy, half-arsed version? Who knows, it might actually support your point. Hugo Stiglitz said:
Sgt Bilko said:
Wow. Prickly aren’t you. I don’t need to read the story thanks. I was replying to a comment you’ve edited out.
Sorry. You need to not read the press report. Unless you know something that we don't. With seized items likely to be captured on video, recorded in a statement, recorded on the crime report, electronically booked in to storage (to which a PC/Sgt doesn't have access), with every authorised persons entry being recorded.......... I think it's highly unlikely the items were stolen by an Officer.
Even if it's trash being thrown in a skip - an Officer would get written permission to take it.
Even if it's trash being thrown in a skip - an Officer would get written permission to take it.
HiAsAKite said:
vaud said:
AngryPartsBloke said:
I went to the Cybersecurity expo in London a few years back and watched a talk called 'How to hack a police station' by a pen testing company. It's amazing where you can get with a Police lanyard and an amazon box to hide where the badge should be.
I heard a story about a CEO who commissioned a pen-tester and told them his security was the best in the world.Next day the CEO arrived and found the tester sat at his desk.
It may just be a story but I know pen-testers can be really good.
It had the desired (positive) effect.
Some stuff i can tell you about, some stuff i can't. Was good fun. Travelling constantly around the country and world is what killed it for me.
Now i advise on it mostly.
La Liga said:
Let’s steal and sell the OP’s property which will have been referred to in the investigation and overtly obvious from the original information.
Nothing better than going to prison and throwing away a career for £50 ??
Did you see the 24 hours in police custody when a copper got caught blackmailing someone for 1000 pound.Nothing better than going to prison and throwing away a career for £50 ??
No can’t have happened loosing his job, wife and potential jail term for a grand I must have made it up.
Hugo Stiglitz said:
KingofKong said:
My dad had an ex-policeman working for him, really nice fella and was quite open about how he left the force.
The long story short, items that were in stock over X number of days/months unclaimed would end up going to auction.
It was common, according to him, for certain items to go missing rather than go to auction. The ex-officer took or was given a bike from the stores and he said he was set up by one of his seniors who didn’t like him. He was ultimately dismissed and as above quite open about what happened, he said it was a commonly known ‘perk’ of the job right up until he took something, prior to this ‘they’ were all at it, including senior staff.
I suspect he was caught in some kind of internal investigation, it happens in all walks of life, if there’s an opportunity somebody will take advantage somewhere.
Sorry I disagree. Under no circumstances would an officer take home property as a perk and it was accepted. Maybe between certain very small number officers keeping it to themselves but no force policy or other officers would allow it. Most certainly in that nick alone other officers would leg them if they became aware. The long story short, items that were in stock over X number of days/months unclaimed would end up going to auction.
It was common, according to him, for certain items to go missing rather than go to auction. The ex-officer took or was given a bike from the stores and he said he was set up by one of his seniors who didn’t like him. He was ultimately dismissed and as above quite open about what happened, he said it was a commonly known ‘perk’ of the job right up until he took something, prior to this ‘they’ were all at it, including senior staff.
I suspect he was caught in some kind of internal investigation, it happens in all walks of life, if there’s an opportunity somebody will take advantage somewhere.
The reason why is theft would be rife. No border or boundary.
Thats explaining someone's behaviour away as the norm when it isn't.
BobSaunders said:
Used to this as a living for about 15 years. We always used to play the game of send the customer to make us a cuppa and who could give him his password on return. Some suitably less than impressed customers on quite a few occasions.
Some stuff i can tell you about, some stuff i can't. Was good fun. Travelling constantly around the country and world is what killed it for me.
Now i advise on it mostly.
We used to have a team who did this in our organisation, ‘ethical hackers’ they were referred to at the time. They’d even dress in BT engineer uniforms to get into buildings past the receptionist. It was staggering how far they could get into an organisation and its systems. Often it wasn’t some complex IT hacking approach but finding a way into a building, sitting at empty desks and finding passwords scrawled on post-it notes. Fascinating stuff, this was the best part of 20 years ago so I suspect many organisations are more clued up these days. Some stuff i can tell you about, some stuff i can't. Was good fun. Travelling constantly around the country and world is what killed it for me.
Now i advise on it mostly.
djohnson said:
We used to have a team who did this in our organisation, ‘ethical hackers’ they were referred to at the time. They’d even dress in BT engineer uniforms to get into buildings past the receptionist. It was staggering how far they could get into an organisation and its systems. Often it wasn’t some complex IT hacking approach but finding a way into a building, sitting at empty desks and finding passwords scrawled on post-it notes. Fascinating stuff, this was the best part of 20 years ago so I suspect many organisations are more clued up these days.
You would hope so but sadly not.One major investment bank ran a targeted (fake) phishing attack against their operational board. Standard fake email with "click here to update your details" and, IIRC, 40% clicked on it and entered their corporate details (user/pass).
One organization I worked with (I was on the board) had no password expiry policy, no 2 factor authentication and when they did an audit c.30% of people had their password on a post-it note...
vaud said:
djohnson said:
We used to have a team who did this in our organisation, ‘ethical hackers’ they were referred to at the time. They’d even dress in BT engineer uniforms to get into buildings past the receptionist. It was staggering how far they could get into an organisation and its systems. Often it wasn’t some complex IT hacking approach but finding a way into a building, sitting at empty desks and finding passwords scrawled on post-it notes. Fascinating stuff, this was the best part of 20 years ago so I suspect many organisations are more clued up these days.
You would hope so but sadly not.One major investment bank ran a targeted (fake) phishing attack against their operational board. Standard fake email with "click here to update your details" and, IIRC, 40% clicked on it and entered their corporate details (user/pass).
One organization I worked with (I was on the board) had no password expiry policy, no 2 factor authentication and when they did an audit c.30% of people had their password on a post-it note...
Ilovejapcrap said:
La Liga said:
Let’s steal and sell the OP’s property which will have been referred to in the investigation and overtly obvious from the original information.
Nothing better than going to prison and throwing away a career for £50 ??
Did you see the 24 hours in police custody when a copper got caught blackmailing someone for 1000 pound.Nothing better than going to prison and throwing away a career for £50 ??
No can’t have happened loosing his job, wife and potential jail term for a grand I must have made it up.
I was proposing it as an improbable event vs other possibilities, I wasn't saying it was impossible.
vaud said:
...when they did an audit c.30% of people had their password on a post-it note...
Despite not doing that, I can understand it.When IT policy requires (despite about a decade of IT security research to the contrary*):-
- Uppercase
- Lowercase
- Special character
- Minimum length
- Not the same as any previous password
- Changed every month
...then by the time you've been there a year or two, you're either recycling old stuff with new numbers on the end, or you're writing it down. Because "F3rr4r1!M0nd14l" doesn't exactly trip off the tongue...
* Length is required, not complexity. We should be asking for pass-phrases...real words, easier to remember, far harder to brute-force hack. Only weakness is if someone knows a lot of personal details/background (which is no different to current rules).
havoc said:
Length is required, not complexity. We should be asking for pass-phrases...real words, easier to remember, far harder to brute-force hack. Only weakness is if someone knows a lot of personal details/background (which is no different to current rules).
I’d always understood something similar, that the best passwords are a form of acronym based upon something you can easily remember (thus won’t write down) but is specific to you rather then being a well known phrase eg ‘Dave Johnson has four rabbits and two cats’ yields the password DJh4r&2c. I’m not an IT person by trade so no idea how this approach stands up in the scheme of things but seems sensible to me. djohnson said:
havoc said:
Length is required, not complexity. We should be asking for pass-phrases...real words, easier to remember, far harder to brute-force hack. Only weakness is if someone knows a lot of personal details/background (which is no different to current rules).
I’d always understood something similar, that the best passwords are a form of acronym based upon something you can easily remember (thus won’t write down) but is specific to you rather then being a well known phrase eg ‘Dave Johnson has four rabbits and two cats’ yields the password DJh4r&2c. I’m not an IT person by trade so no idea how this approach stands up in the scheme of things but seems sensible to me. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff