Issued COVID FPN by a police officer

[NGee]

Nibbles_bits said:

You assume I'm using my own time

(Getting ready to real them in)

Oh wow is me, I have to use my own time to learn how to do my job because I work in the greedy Private Sector.

Weren't moaning before Covid, were you?

I was going to reply but I'm afraid words fail me, and I don't even understand your last sentence.

All I can do is repeat what I said earlier, your whole attitude answers a lot of the above questions as to why we are in the state we're in.

[Bigends]

La Liga said:

survivalist said:

Is this really what the police are being asked to do? A ‘dedicated covid task force’? Jesus wept.

Why wouldn’t there be? Enforcement is one part of the strategy to enable us to return to normality and limit the economic damage and of course deaths.

In terms of practical resourcing, it makes sense to have a dedicated group at any one time due to the demand that will be coming in and that the ones most likely to see enforcement are people having parties / groups. More likely for enforcement = more likely conflict so having the numbers there from the off is better than displacing other resources who are dealing with other demand.

Agreed, but shouldnt such a dedicated group stick to breaking up groups and gatherings rather than picking on a couple of individuals having a chat in a car park.

[NGee]

InitialDave said:

I disagree, you want people to do work, you pay them. That's the fundamental nature of an employment relationship.

If you treat/pay people well, you may occasionally get some goodwill out of them, but expecting it is wrong.

It's the equivalent of them turning up an hour late and expecting full pay and no consequences because that extra lie in was necessary for them.

I often turned up for work an hour late, got full pay and no one batted an eyelid. This was because at other times I had often put myself out and if a job needed doing I got on and did it. It's just called swings and roundabouts, and created a very strong, reliable and enjoyable working team with a great deal of respect between the bosses and the workers. Clock watching never helped anyone.

Having said all that, I do agree that it might not work in every job and could be open to abuse by some people - but it worked for me.

[Bigends]

Nibbles_bits said:

Biker 1 said:

This.
Couldn't they issue every officer with a crib sheet/flow chart of what to ask the alleged covid criminals? It would make life a lot easier & avoid clogging up the justice system more than it already is? The lack of joined up thinking is ridiculous - every force seems to have a different interpretation of the law. Surely a well written flyer from ACPO would suffice? After all, they appear to have a similar easy to understand document regarding speeding offenses.....

What's the speed limit ?
Are they going faster ?

Doesn't take 102 Sections to explain that.

Officers dont need to know all 102 sections - just have a reasonable working knowledge of the parts theyre likely to encounter.
I didnt memorise the entire counting rules for crime, but had a good working knowledge of all of the parts I was likely to encounter on a day to day basis.

[Nibbles_bits]

NGee said:

I was going to reply but I'm afraid words fail me, and I don't even understand your last sentence.

All I can do is repeat what I said earlier, your whole attitude answers a lot of the above questions as to why we are in the state we're in.

My last sentence - before Covid the Private Sector had nothing to worry about. All while the Public Sector faced years of cuts.
And now we're told - we're privileged!!


So my attitude - Stay at home, and not issuing FPNs - is somehow connected to "the state we are in"?

And what state is that?
The 60k FPNs issued, of which none are mine!
Or the 120k deaths.

[Bigends]

Nibbles_bits said:

NGee said:

I was going to reply but I'm afraid words fail me, and I don't even understand your last sentence.

All I can do is repeat what I said earlier, your whole attitude answers a lot of the above questions as to why we are in the state we're in.

My last sentence - before Covid the Private Sector had nothing to worry about. All while the Public Sector faced years of cuts.
And now we're told - we're privileged!!


So my attitude - Stay at home, and not issuing FPNs - is somehow connected to "the state we are in"?

And what state is that?
The 60k FPNs issued, of which none are mine!
Or the 120k deaths.

Havent seen many officers or staff made redundant or furloughed on reduced pay since Covid arrived. One thing the force has always had is job security. Keep your nose clean and you have a job - and eventually - pension for life

[BertBert]

This thread has turned very strange. Back to the OP, has the FPN arrived yet?

[Pothole]

Greendubber said:

1. I'm out the house all day most days with work, doesnt look like many people are staying home to me as its very much business as usual in most places.

2. You're doing plenty of complaining.

1. It IS business (BUSINESS) as usual in most places. That's why it looks like it. It looks like what it is. Do you know of a single person who has been issued an FPN for going to work legitimately?

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Bigends said:

Officers dont need to know all 102 sections - just have a reasonable working knowledge of the parts theyre likely to encounter.
I didnt memorise the entire counting rules for crime, but had a good working knowledge of all of the parts I was likely to encounter on a day to day basis.

There's always a left field though. When you shout up for advice and no one else knows.. the Sgt is on the PNLD website trying to help.

[Bigends]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Bigends said:

Officers dont need to know all 102 sections - just have a reasonable working knowledge of the parts theyre likely to encounter.
I didnt memorise the entire counting rules for crime, but had a good working knowledge of all of the parts I was likely to encounter on a day to day basis.

There's always a left field though. When you shout up for advice and no one else knows.. the Sgt is on the PNLD website trying to help.

Agreed - but most information is now available at the press of a key. Covid regs are nothing new now

[NGee]

Nibbles_bits said:

NGee said:

I was going to reply but I'm afraid words fail me, and I don't even understand your last sentence.

All I can do is repeat what I said earlier, your whole attitude answers a lot of the above questions as to why we are in the state we're in.

My last sentence - before Covid the Private Sector had nothing to worry about. All while the Public Sector faced years of cuts.
And now we're told - we're privileged!!


So my attitude - Stay at home, and not issuing FPNs - is somehow connected to "the state we are in"?

And what state is that?
The 60k FPNs issued, of which none are mine!
Or the 120k deaths.

You said "I wasn't complaining before covid, were you?" . And I still have no idea what you're on about. How do you know whether I was complaining or not? How do you know whether I work in the public or private sector? In fact, how do you know I work at all, I might be on benefits or retired or living the life of Riley at someone else's expense?

You have very clearly stated your attitude to learning anything outside working hours and this has led to the state we are now in, whereby the police issue illegal FPNs because they can't be bothered to read the regulations. So, yes, your attitude IS connected to the state we're in.

[Greendubber]

Pothole said:

Greendubber said:

1. I'm out the house all day most days with work, doesnt look like many people are staying home to me as its very much business as usual in most places.

2. You're doing plenty of complaining.

1. It IS business (BUSINESS) as usual in most places. That's why it looks like it. It looks like what it is. Do you know of a single person who has been issued an FPN for going to work legitimately?

No, I don't even know of anyone who has even been asked what they're doing either. Either were all very lucky or its nowhere near as rife some posters on are making out.

[Nibbles_bits]

NGee said:

Nibbles_bits said:

NGee said:

I was going to reply but I'm afraid words fail me, and I don't even understand your last sentence.

All I can do is repeat what I said earlier, your whole attitude answers a lot of the above questions as to why we are in the state we're in.

My last sentence - before Covid the Private Sector had nothing to worry about. All while the Public Sector faced years of cuts.
And now we're told - we're privileged!!


So my attitude - Stay at home, and not issuing FPNs - is somehow connected to "the state we are in"?

And what state is that?
The 60k FPNs issued, of which none are mine!
Or the 120k deaths.

You said "I wasn't complaining before covid, were you?" . And I still have no idea what you're on about. How do you know whether I was complaining or not? How do you know whether I work in the public or private sector? In fact, how do you know I work at all, I might be on benefits or retired or living the life of Riley at someone else's expense?

You have very clearly stated your attitude to learning anything outside working hours and this has led to the state we are now in, whereby the police issue illegal FPNs because they can't be bothered to read the regulations. So, yes, your attitude IS connected to the state we're in.

The comment about complaining was aimed at the Private Sector in general, not you personally.

We're still doing the same job with 50k less Officers.
Having terms and conditions changed.
Having pensions changed.
We've had Officers die of Covid.
We've had partners made redundant/furloughed.
We've had colleagues take their own lives.
We've had Officers use food banks
We've had years of real term pay cuts.
Hardly a "privileged" occupation.


I'm not issuing illegal FPNs because I haven't had time to read the regulations. I'm just not Issuing FPNs for breaches of Covid Regulations

[Electro1980]

Oceanrower said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Why should anyone, Public or Private sector, use their own time to read additional information?

We've already heard from someone in the Private Sector whining that they've had to do this.

I don’t know what rank you are but, if you wanted to progress your career, would you not read up on the requirements for , for example, the sergeants exam in your own time?

You know, to learn something to make you better at your job...

There is a big difference between learning in order to progress, get qualifications and take advantage of opportunities and doing to know how to do your current job.

I often read things related to my work because they interest me. I spend a lot of time reading about AI and machine learning. I don’t spend my spare time reading about ITIL, which is what I do most of the time.

[Nibbles_bits]

Electro1980 said:

Oceanrower said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Why should anyone, Public or Private sector, use their own time to read additional information?

We've already heard from someone in the Private Sector whining that they've had to do this.

I don’t know what rank you are but, if you wanted to progress your career, would you not read up on the requirements for , for example, the sergeants exam in your own time?

You know, to learn something to make you better at your job...

There is a big difference between learning in order to progress, get qualifications and take advantage of opportunities and doing to know how to do your current job.

I often read things related to my work because they interest me. I spend a lot of time reading about AI and machine learning. I don’t spend my spare time reading about ITIL, which is what I do most of the time.

I have a book on Public Order, two on Roadcraft and occasionally browse through the Highway Code.
Not for any reason other than they interest me.

Occasionally I'll read up on obscure Case Law on PNLD.

But if the job want me to spend 3hrs reading about MH......I'll do that on the clock.

[blueg33]

Nibbles_bits said:

NGee said:

Nibbles_bits said:

NGee said:

I was going to reply but I'm afraid words fail me, and I don't even understand your last sentence.

All I can do is repeat what I said earlier, your whole attitude answers a lot of the above questions as to why we are in the state we're in.

My last sentence - before Covid the Private Sector had nothing to worry about. All while the Public Sector faced years of cuts.
And now we're told - we're privileged!!


So my attitude - Stay at home, and not issuing FPNs - is somehow connected to "the state we are in"?

And what state is that?
The 60k FPNs issued, of which none are mine!
Or the 120k deaths.

You said "I wasn't complaining before covid, were you?" . And I still have no idea what you're on about. How do you know whether I was complaining or not? How do you know whether I work in the public or private sector? In fact, how do you know I work at all, I might be on benefits or retired or living the life of Riley at someone else's expense?

You have very clearly stated your attitude to learning anything outside working hours and this has led to the state we are now in, whereby the police issue illegal FPNs because they can't be bothered to read the regulations. So, yes, your attitude IS connected to the state we're in.

The comment about complaining was aimed at the Private Sector in general, not you personally.

We're still doing the same job with 50k less Officers.
Having terms and conditions changed.
Having pensions changed.
We've had Officers die of Covid.
We've had partners made redundant/furloughed.
We've had colleagues take their own lives.
We've had Officers use food banks
We've had years of real term pay cuts.
Hardly a "privileged" occupation.


I'm not issuing illegal FPNs because I haven't had time to read the regulations. I'm just not Issuing FPNs for breaches of Covid Regulations

I’ve had team members die of COVID, we have made 350 people redundant because of COVID, all senior leadership took a 20 percent pay cut and other staff a ten percent cut.

We are private sector.

COVID-19 affects us all public or private. But in either case it’s not an excuse for a lack of professionalism or doing a job badly. Quite the opposite in my view.

[Nibbles_bits]

BertBert said:

This thread has turned very strange. Back to the OP, has the FPN arrived yet?

The OP could just go to the press and complain to the issuing Force.

It's worked before!

[Nibbles_bits]

blueg33 said:

I’ve had team members die of COVID, we have made 350 people redundant because of COVID, all senior leadership took a 20 percent pay cut and other staff a ten percent cut.

We are private sector.

COVID-19 affects us all public or private. But in either case it’s not an excuse for a lack of professionalism or doing a job badly. Quite the opposite in my view.

My comments about the Private Sector were I response to an earlier comment about the Public Sector.
I'll admit, I took the bait.

Let's remember last summer, where those that weren't furloughed accused those at home of "having a jolly in the sun".
Many of those "having a jolly" have now lost so much.
My wife's business has all but folded, and she's had to get a second job.

I'm not unprofessional or bad at my job. I'd much rather just give someone "Words of Advice", than hit them in the pocket.
If I stop you because your brake light is defective, would you rather a gave you a ticket or Words of Advice?
(And not because I have no clue what I'm doing - as suggested by someone here).

I also understand why, after all the protests we've had, why someone would get pi$$y because they've been given an FPN.

[Gooly]

Just a few notes;

- No FPN yet

- The officer who issued my ticket was 100% certainly a police officer and stepped out of a riot-style van loaded with 8 or 9 other police officers. I am very critical of her actions and competency but I do not think she is representative of the Met.

- I work for local governance and I am well aware of how austerity and a decade of governance under a certain political party has ravaged the public sector and policing. It is still no excuse for her behaviour.


I will file a complaint if the FPN arrives. I'm inclined to not chase if it doesn't - if anyone has any advice on whether or not this is a bad idea please do comment.

[Cold]

If the officer who threatened to issue the FPN is as proudly belligerently incompetent as some posters on here, it sounds like you will never receive one.