Parking Charge
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Well there you go - got asked by a friend about this and I think Im pretty right with the response to the ticket - dont engage.
She got a letter on Wednesday -
debt debt collection baliffs ltd
Notice of debt recovery - Unpaid parking charge of £170
letter goes on to say that her vehicle was in a service station car park on a date back in july last year... contravention of the terms outlined on the signage etc in the car park...
Interestingly she said there qas no contact with her pr previous until this letter arrived...
What made me smile was it says.... At this point you are no longer able to appeal the parking charge. Your next opportunity to dispute the charge would be if the matter was taken to court....
She has 14 days from the date of the letter to either pay the outstanding amount, or to call them to discuss repayment..
Aye...
Anyways... The site was in scotland and there is no requirement for the owber of the car to divulge the driver, and it would be the driver not the owner that would be liable anyways. Told her just to ignore it as it wont end up in court, dont think any have.
Whats the general opinion on this one....
She got a letter on Wednesday -
debt debt collection baliffs ltd
Notice of debt recovery - Unpaid parking charge of £170
letter goes on to say that her vehicle was in a service station car park on a date back in july last year... contravention of the terms outlined on the signage etc in the car park...
Interestingly she said there qas no contact with her pr previous until this letter arrived...
What made me smile was it says.... At this point you are no longer able to appeal the parking charge. Your next opportunity to dispute the charge would be if the matter was taken to court....
She has 14 days from the date of the letter to either pay the outstanding amount, or to call them to discuss repayment..
Aye...
Anyways... The site was in scotland and there is no requirement for the owber of the car to divulge the driver, and it would be the driver not the owner that would be liable anyways. Told her just to ignore it as it wont end up in court, dont think any have.
Whats the general opinion on this one....
Edited by ruggedscotty on Friday 16th April 20:05
I got caught up in something like this a few years ago. I got out of it in the end but if I’m honest it wasn’t worth the stress or hassle. It wasn’t the money why I fought it, pure principal.
The area did have a sign but it was intentionally small. The spot must have been a gold mine for them, daylight robbery.
I appealed and it was denied.
I then started to receive debt collection letters to which I didn’t respond (all sorts of threatening bits in there, they even made reference to a test case that they won!).
I had them on a few things so I just kept asking the same questions in every letter I responded with (used a template off Money Expert). They eventually gave up when I wouldn’t back down. Another annoying thing was you could only appeal or liaise with this company via post. Just another way to make things hard, copying letters then sending via recorded delivery.
It might be an idea to look the parking company up to see if they’re legit and registered (can’t recall the governing body). I also looked up the debt collection agency for further info to see what I was dealing with. General reviews, complaints, others experiences and outcomes, companies house.
The area did have a sign but it was intentionally small. The spot must have been a gold mine for them, daylight robbery.
I appealed and it was denied.
I then started to receive debt collection letters to which I didn’t respond (all sorts of threatening bits in there, they even made reference to a test case that they won!).
I had them on a few things so I just kept asking the same questions in every letter I responded with (used a template off Money Expert). They eventually gave up when I wouldn’t back down. Another annoying thing was you could only appeal or liaise with this company via post. Just another way to make things hard, copying letters then sending via recorded delivery.
It might be an idea to look the parking company up to see if they’re legit and registered (can’t recall the governing body). I also looked up the debt collection agency for further info to see what I was dealing with. General reviews, complaints, others experiences and outcomes, companies house.
Ignoring is now outdated advice. PPCs take people to court over parking BS every day. They love people that ignore the letters as it means the PCC will get a default judgment win. They might see it all the way to court in a few months. They might sit on it for a year or so. Maybe 5, then just send you court papers. Of course you've probably moved and haven't updated the PPC of your new address. Boom. Default CCJ against you.
It used to be that you could ignore parking charges from Scotland as there was no keeper liability but that has now changed or is in the process of changing.
I'd suggest getting your friend to post a thread on Pepipoo outlining the situation and they will give her advice.
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=60
It used to be that you could ignore parking charges from Scotland as there was no keeper liability but that has now changed or is in the process of changing.
I'd suggest getting your friend to post a thread on Pepipoo outlining the situation and they will give her advice.
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=60
I read of people ignoring them but I decided against it as they were registered with the relevant governing body (the parking company not the debt collectors). As per my post it wasn't worth the stress and the hassle but I'd committed so had to follow it through.
This is a good place to start.
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-...
This is a good place to start.
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-...
My Daughter has received a Parking Charge Notice (Parking Eye) through the post today, relating to parking on 10th April. Invoice is £100 , reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days. She is the RK of the car but wasn't the driver. The occupants had shopped in ASDA store, and previously used this car park without problems, but it appears this car park (or part of it) is no longer Asda, and now belongs to a nearby Hotel chain. They were unaware of this change.
I've looked at pepipoo for advice, but it appears the postings there all date to several years ago, and I recall the legal situation had changed somewhat due to a case a couple of years ago.
The car park is free - but only to anyone who has business at the Hotel and registers at reception - fair enough I guess.
Anyway, we plan a trip there tomorrow to check signage, which would seem the only way of appealing if it isn't easily visible. We don't deny the car was parked there, and if there is sufficient signage, may have to just suck it up..... or are there still grounds to appeal on invoice cost, on the grounds of minimal admin cost and zero car parking cost, particularly with a hotel which is closed due to covid?
I've looked at pepipoo for advice, but it appears the postings there all date to several years ago, and I recall the legal situation had changed somewhat due to a case a couple of years ago.
The car park is free - but only to anyone who has business at the Hotel and registers at reception - fair enough I guess.
Anyway, we plan a trip there tomorrow to check signage, which would seem the only way of appealing if it isn't easily visible. We don't deny the car was parked there, and if there is sufficient signage, may have to just suck it up..... or are there still grounds to appeal on invoice cost, on the grounds of minimal admin cost and zero car parking cost, particularly with a hotel which is closed due to covid?
Rugged
is your friends V5 up to date with her as the registered keeper and was that on the date of the parking
Has she EVER received a leltter from the PPC.. either on the windscreen or WITHIN 14 days of the parking?
Is the debt letter the first she has heard? If so tell her to tell the Debt collecters 'that the debt is denied and to refer back to the person who asked them to collect'
IF she did get an 'invoice' and decided to ignore it i would suggest she has a look at the pepipoo site for assistance
is your friends V5 up to date with her as the registered keeper and was that on the date of the parking
Has she EVER received a leltter from the PPC.. either on the windscreen or WITHIN 14 days of the parking?
Is the debt letter the first she has heard? If so tell her to tell the Debt collecters 'that the debt is denied and to refer back to the person who asked them to collect'
IF she did get an 'invoice' and decided to ignore it i would suggest she has a look at the pepipoo site for assistance
silverfoxcc said:
Rugged
is your friends V5 up to date with her as the registered keeper and was that on the date of the parking
Has she EVER received a leltter from the PPC.. either on the windscreen or WITHIN 14 days of the parking?
Is the debt letter the first she has heard? If so tell her to tell the Debt collecters 'that the debt is denied and to refer back to the person who asked them to collect'
IF she did get an 'invoice' and decided to ignore it i would suggest she has a look at the pepipoo site for assistance
Cheers, no she was a driver vehicle belongs to someone else. No ticket on the day, and no ticket to the registered owner etc, this was the first notification.is your friends V5 up to date with her as the registered keeper and was that on the date of the parking
Has she EVER received a leltter from the PPC.. either on the windscreen or WITHIN 14 days of the parking?
Is the debt letter the first she has heard? If so tell her to tell the Debt collecters 'that the debt is denied and to refer back to the person who asked them to collect'
IF she did get an 'invoice' and decided to ignore it i would suggest she has a look at the pepipoo site for assistance
even if it was, i eblieve it has to be a signed for or they cant prove that it got to the owner etc ?
ruggedscotty said:
silverfoxcc said:
Rugged
is your friends V5 up to date with her as the registered keeper and was that on the date of the parking
Has she EVER received a leltter from the PPC.. either on the windscreen or WITHIN 14 days of the parking?
Is the debt letter the first she has heard? If so tell her to tell the Debt collecters 'that the debt is denied and to refer back to the person who asked them to collect'
IF she did get an 'invoice' and decided to ignore it i would suggest she has a look at the pepipoo site for assistance
Cheers, no she was a driver vehicle belongs to someone else. No ticket on the day, and no ticket to the registered owner etc, this was the first notification.is your friends V5 up to date with her as the registered keeper and was that on the date of the parking
Has she EVER received a leltter from the PPC.. either on the windscreen or WITHIN 14 days of the parking?
Is the debt letter the first she has heard? If so tell her to tell the Debt collecters 'that the debt is denied and to refer back to the person who asked them to collect'
IF she did get an 'invoice' and decided to ignore it i would suggest she has a look at the pepipoo site for assistance
even if it was, i eblieve it has to be a signed for or they cant prove that it got to the owner etc ?
Sounds to me like the register keeper has dobbed her in.
So your friend was the driver at the time of the parking event. And your friend lives in the same house as the registered keeper. The keeper will be receiving the avalanche of chase letters and will most likely be taken to court unless they name your friend as the driver which transfers the liability back to them.
Most posters are still not reading the facts.
This was in Scotland and as such there is still no requirement up here to name the driver. The only case to be successful was against a young women who admitted parking where she lived without displaying. It never got to court, they agreed a solution prior to that. One other Glasgow case was similar and never made it to court.
Couple of years ago PPC's tried in Forfar(i think) to take people to court. Dropped on the day of court.
If it was a council car park, they must pay.
This was in Scotland and as such there is still no requirement up here to name the driver. The only case to be successful was against a young women who admitted parking where she lived without displaying. It never got to court, they agreed a solution prior to that. One other Glasgow case was similar and never made it to court.
Couple of years ago PPC's tried in Forfar(i think) to take people to court. Dropped on the day of court.
If it was a council car park, they must pay.
To be fair, OP has confused matters with their obfuscation.
"She got a letter" whilst not being the keeper which turns into "she saw the letter as she lives in the same house as the keeper" so it did read as if the keeper dropped her in it.
So with no keeper liability in Scotland, they get your details from the DVLA and ask you nicely to name the driver and if you refuse, they ultimately give up?
"She got a letter" whilst not being the keeper which turns into "she saw the letter as she lives in the same house as the keeper" so it did read as if the keeper dropped her in it.
So with no keeper liability in Scotland, they get your details from the DVLA and ask you nicely to name the driver and if you refuse, they ultimately give up?
ruggedscotty said:
She got a letter on Wednesday -
letter goes on to say that her vehicle was in a service station car park on a date back in july last year... contravention of the terms
letter goes on to say that her vehicle was in a service station car park on a date back in july last year... contravention of the terms
ruggedscotty said:
Interestingly she said there qas no contact with her pr previous until this letter arrived...
ruggedscotty said:
she was a driver vehicle belongs to someone else. No ticket on the day, and no ticket to the registered owner etc, this was the first notification
ruggedscotty said:
letter was sent to the registered keeper.
How can anyone offer any realistic advice when you only tell us half the story and (see above) keep changing the scenario?Fastpedeller said:
My Daughter has received a Parking Charge Notice (Parking Eye) through the post today, relating to parking on 10th April. Invoice is £100 , reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days. She is the RK of the car but wasn't the driver. The occupants had shopped in ASDA store, and previously used this car park without problems, but it appears this car park (or part of it) is no longer Asda, and now belongs to a nearby Hotel chain. They were unaware of this change.
I've looked at pepipoo for advice, but it appears the postings there all date to several years ago, and I recall the legal situation had changed somewhat due to a case a couple of years ago.
The car park is free - but only to anyone who has business at the Hotel and registers at reception - fair enough I guess.
Anyway, we plan a trip there tomorrow to check signage, which would seem the only way of appealing if it isn't easily visible. We don't deny the car was parked there, and if there is sufficient signage, may have to just suck it up..... or are there still grounds to appeal on invoice cost, on the grounds of minimal admin cost and zero car parking cost, particularly with a hotel which is closed due to covid?
My apologies - I wasn't trying to hijack Rugged's thread. I've now moved this to a new topicI've looked at pepipoo for advice, but it appears the postings there all date to several years ago, and I recall the legal situation had changed somewhat due to a case a couple of years ago.
The car park is free - but only to anyone who has business at the Hotel and registers at reception - fair enough I guess.
Anyway, we plan a trip there tomorrow to check signage, which would seem the only way of appealing if it isn't easily visible. We don't deny the car was parked there, and if there is sufficient signage, may have to just suck it up..... or are there still grounds to appeal on invoice cost, on the grounds of minimal admin cost and zero car parking cost, particularly with a hotel which is closed due to covid?
Sebring440 said:
ruggedscotty said:
She got a letter on Wednesday -
letter goes on to say that her vehicle was in a service station car park on a date back in july last year... contravention of the terms
letter goes on to say that her vehicle was in a service station car park on a date back in july last year... contravention of the terms
ruggedscotty said:
Interestingly she said there qas no contact with her pr previous until this letter arrived...
ruggedscotty said:
she was a driver vehicle belongs to someone else. No ticket on the day, and no ticket to the registered owner etc, this was the first notification
ruggedscotty said:
letter was sent to the registered keeper.
How can anyone offer any realistic advice when you only tell us half the story and (see above) keep changing the scenario?I guess it looks like the scenario has changed etc.... but reality is that its not. probably wasnt made as clear as what it should have been,.
she got a letter on Wednesday - letter goes on to say her vehicle....
letter was given to her by the owner of car, it hairs are being split its actually not the letter but a scanned copy of said letter.
her car in that she was driving / using the car
was no contact from the parking or debt collector until the letter arrived earlier in week. no notifications recieved no notes on car etc. the usual expected stuff didnt happen other than the letter arriving.
Probably still not very clear ?
so overview....
Person B using person A car. letter arrived to person A wednesday for unpair parking fine.... Person B says no ticket on car, and person A says no prior notification until letter arrived.
I was of the opinion that as it was in scotland there was no obligation for person A to detail or give any correspondance to parking firm debt collector about person B and as it was not person A that did it there was no case.
it appears that is no longer the case ? but it is still nigh on difficult for them to get that money.
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