The smell of weed.
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Mr_Megalomaniac said:
I did chuckle at that.
Thing is he's likely the person who does it (as in Joe Rogen) for a laugh, or occassionally.
The people who like to think themselves like him, are more often than not habitual users with little achievement in life. A bit like an alcoholic saying that they're doing fine because Richard Branson occassionally has a glass of wine.
Micheal Phelps was a serious stoner and it didn't dull his ability or achievements Thing is he's likely the person who does it (as in Joe Rogen) for a laugh, or occassionally.
The people who like to think themselves like him, are more often than not habitual users with little achievement in life. A bit like an alcoholic saying that they're doing fine because Richard Branson occassionally has a glass of wine.
Biker 1 said:
I didn't know that! Presumably he got all his gold medals while high as a kite? How did it not get picked up in dope testing?
I doubt he’d be winning anything other than the Family Bucket Challenge at KFC whilst actually stoned. What is amazing is that, by an large, smoking a lot of weed tends to rob people of motivation to do much more than watch Kevin Smith films and the aforementioned KFC pig out. Given the absolutely ridiculous amount of dedication and training that goes into making an Olympic athlete, I find amazing and hard to believe, though I’m not saying it’s not true.To stray slightly further off topic, it’s utterly ludicrous that people like Justin Gatlin get to compete in and win global championships whilst reaping the ongoing benefits of being a complete ‘roid freak for years, yet somebody like MMA fighter Nick Diaz gets pinged and banned for smoking ganja. You’d have to be living on a planet even farther flung than the ones certain class A’s can take you to in order to think cannabis is performance enhancing.
Jonny Wishbone said:
by an large, smoking a lot of weed tends to rob people of motivation to do much more than watch Kevin Smith films and the aforementioned KFC pig out.
You are thinking 30 years ago when people sat around smoking black lebanese / hash, with slit eyes and a 12 pack of wagon wheels.The modern stuff is often buzzy and a bit hectic. The people I know who are every evening (and all weekend) smokers are far from laid back - they are highly motivated big players in the business world. I don't find it fun at all , the moderns stuff, It's just like "breathing" for regular smokers now - they don't even look stoned. I can't tell when two of my mates are stoned - they are no different to when I see them in the morning starting a fresh day.
Maybe that's just extreme tollerance?
Griffith4ever said:
Jonny Wishbone said:
by an large, smoking a lot of weed tends to rob people of motivation to do much more than watch Kevin Smith films and the aforementioned KFC pig out.
You are thinking 30 years ago when people sat around smoking black lebanese / hash, with slit eyes and a 12 pack of wagon wheels.The modern stuff is often buzzy and a bit hectic. The people I know who are every evening (and all weekend) smokers are far from laid back - they are highly motivated big players in the business world. I don't find it fun at all , the moderns stuff, It's just like "breathing" for regular smokers now - they don't even look stoned. I can't tell when two of my mates are stoned - they are no different to when I see them in the morning starting a fresh day.
Maybe that's just extreme tollerance?
Griffith4ever said:
You are thinking 30 years ago when people sat around smoking black lebanese / hash, with slit eyes and a 12 pack of wagon wheels.
The modern stuff is often buzzy and a bit hectic. The people I know who are every evening (and all weekend) smokers are far from laid back - they are highly motivated big players in the business world. I don't find it fun at all , the moderns stuff, It's just like "breathing" for regular smokers now - they don't even look stoned. I can't tell when two of my mates are stoned - they are no different to when I see them in the morning starting a fresh day.
Maybe that's just extreme tollerance?
Thats not true. Theres all different strains, its got nothing to do with 'modern stuff'. Trust me there is plenty of weed and hash out there that will ruin you, and the wagon wheels. If they are buzzing and don't look stoned then I'm not sure you really know what they are smokingThe modern stuff is often buzzy and a bit hectic. The people I know who are every evening (and all weekend) smokers are far from laid back - they are highly motivated big players in the business world. I don't find it fun at all , the moderns stuff, It's just like "breathing" for regular smokers now - they don't even look stoned. I can't tell when two of my mates are stoned - they are no different to when I see them in the morning starting a fresh day.
Maybe that's just extreme tollerance?
hucumber said:
Thats not true. Theres all different strains, its got nothing to do with 'modern stuff'. Trust me there is plenty of weed and hash out there that will ruin you, and the wagon wheels. If they are buzzing and don't look stoned then I'm not sure you really know what they are smoking
I was referring to my experience of it. Way too strong.They are most defintely chewing through large amounts of cheese and the likes, and functioning as if they had not. It's so common now - I still can't believe plenty think nothing of smoking at the wheel. Talk about inviting trouble.
Griffith4ever said:
It's so common now - I still can't believe plenty think nothing of smoking at the wheel. Talk about inviting trouble.
How does it work if the police stop someone they suspect to be driving while on canabis? I believe the Dutch can do an on the spot saliva test, and if the result is positive demand a blood test, with legal limits for the amount in your blood in the same way as there is for alcohol...although there's a lot of debate that the levels are set way too low and will pick up medicinal users who are no way impaired.RizzoTheRat said:
How does it work if the police stop someone they suspect to be driving while on canabis? I believe the Dutch can do an on the spot saliva test, and if the result is positive demand a blood test, with legal limits for the amount in your blood in the same way as there is for alcohol...although there's a lot of debate that the levels are set way too low and will pick up medicinal users who are no way impaired.
The offence is over the prescribed limit. Not unfit through drink or drugs. It’s the same with drink. You have over the limit or unfit. You could be under the limit but be unfit.
I’ve stopped people who have blown nearly three times the limit and I was shocked. They appeared sober.
If it’s prescribed for medical reasons (which is very rare) you’ll have to be careful about driving. Same as any drugs that you are prescribed that may effect your driving (you can be unfit through legal drugs as well).
Derek Smith said:
The proportion of customers who are drunk is much higher for police. Violence and booze go together like, well, nothing is more certain than violence and booze.
I've nicked a few people high on cannabis in my time, and they've generally been no trouble. They tend to be grumpy in the mornings, but a strong cup of tea/coffee seems to put the right. They are generally quite pleasant once they've got over feeling grotty. When I was gaoler, I'd often get them out of their cells to clean the area or help me in the office. They were often chatty, friendly and not too bothered with a caution.
I'm tee-total, and I don't know if this affects my view of drunks, but they are a pain and much, much worse than most druggies. Ecstasy users can be a pain. Really argumentative and stroppy, but certainly not as bad as drunks.
Have you ever had to deal with someone high on Angel Dust (PCP)?I've nicked a few people high on cannabis in my time, and they've generally been no trouble. They tend to be grumpy in the mornings, but a strong cup of tea/coffee seems to put the right. They are generally quite pleasant once they've got over feeling grotty. When I was gaoler, I'd often get them out of their cells to clean the area or help me in the office. They were often chatty, friendly and not too bothered with a caution.
I'm tee-total, and I don't know if this affects my view of drunks, but they are a pain and much, much worse than most druggies. Ecstasy users can be a pain. Really argumentative and stroppy, but certainly not as bad as drunks.
Really, really bad when you taze one of them and they pull the barbs out while the tazer is still running. Then you have to go hands on knowing that they feel no pain.
Derek Smith said:
Ecstasy users can be a pain. Really argumentative and stroppy, but certainly not as bad as drunks.
I’m amazed you say this. The only trouble I’ve seen in clubs where a lot of people are doing pills is when there has been an interaction with someone who is has just been drinking and that’s the direction the trouble comes from. The only time I’ve been remotely aggro was when a taxi driver got to our destination, locked the doors and demanded an extra £1 on top of the agreed fair (think it was £12£. He was just trying it on and I think he was as surprised as I was when I bit his head off
LosingGrip said:
RizzoTheRat said:
How does it work if the police stop someone they suspect to be driving while on canabis? I believe the Dutch can do an on the spot saliva test, and if the result is positive demand a blood test, with legal limits for the amount in your blood in the same way as there is for alcohol...although there's a lot of debate that the levels are set way too low and will pick up medicinal users who are no way impaired.
The offence is over the prescribed limit. Not unfit through drink or drugs. It’s the same with drink. You have over the limit or unfit. You could be under the limit but be unfit.
I’ve stopped people who have blown nearly three times the limit and I was shocked. They appeared sober.
If it’s prescribed for medical reasons (which is very rare) you’ll have to be careful about driving. Same as any drugs that you are prescribed that may effect your driving (you can be unfit through legal drugs as well).
LosingGrip said:
I’ve stopped people who have blown nearly three times the limit and I was shocked. They appeared sober.
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that's because unlike the alcohol limit the drug limit is almost zero - just enough to remove defences of passive smoking..
you could have a small joint - the equivalent to a drinker having a bottle of beer - and be many times the legal limit a few hours later but in no way be impaired
the legal limit for alcohol is meaningful and someone 3 times the legal alcohol limit would be visibly under the influence.
this is why in the sentencing guidelines for drink driving the amount over is factored in but is not in drug driving guidelines
there are very few studies showing mild levels of cannabis impairing reactions/driving ability - if anything some have shown cannabis drivers to be more cautious and careful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZyDoMqReLQ
the guy in this video would be probably 10 times over the "limit"
the reality is that cannabis driving is dealt with much more harshly by the criminal justice system than drink driving when it's nowhere near as dangerous
Edited by djneils98 on Saturday 12th June 15:33
Edited by djneils98 on Saturday 12th June 17:49
I recall Quentin Wilson doing a piece, I think on Fifth Gear, many years ago, on driving under the influence of cannabis. I remember him being surprisingly even handed. He got a regular weed smoker to drive around testing his skills clean, then got him to blaze up, smoke a joint and redo the tests. I think the guy was made to drive round a track, do a slalom course, brake test and a manoeuvre. The stoner performed perfectly well whilst under the influence, whilst confirming what any dope smoker who’d never driven after smoking would suspect - he was having to concentrate harder and was driving more carefully.
Obviously it was nothing close to being a valid scientific study but dear old Quentin himself concluded that a regular user might not be significantly impaired after a single joint.
What struck me was not the conclusion but the fact that a mainstream motoring program was tackling the subject so directly back in the early 2000’s or whenever it was.
Obviously it was nothing close to being a valid scientific study but dear old Quentin himself concluded that a regular user might not be significantly impaired after a single joint.
What struck me was not the conclusion but the fact that a mainstream motoring program was tackling the subject so directly back in the early 2000’s or whenever it was.
Jonny Wishbone said:
I recall Quentin Wilson doing a piece, I think on Fifth Gear, many years ago, on driving under the influence of cannabis. I remember him being surprisingly even handed. He got a regular weed smoker to drive around testing his skills clean, then got him to blaze up, smoke a joint and redo the tests. I think the guy was made to drive round a track, do a slalom course, brake test and a manoeuvre. The stoner performed perfectly well whilst under the influence, whilst confirming what any dope smoker who’d never driven after smoking would suspect - he was having to concentrate harder and was driving more carefully.
Obviously it was nothing close to being a valid scientific study but dear old Quentin himself concluded that a regular user might not be significantly impaired after a single joint.
What struck me was not the conclusion but the fact that a mainstream motoring program was tackling the subject so directly back in the early 2000’s or whenever it was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZyDoMqReLQObviously it was nothing close to being a valid scientific study but dear old Quentin himself concluded that a regular user might not be significantly impaired after a single joint.
What struck me was not the conclusion but the fact that a mainstream motoring program was tackling the subject so directly back in the early 2000’s or whenever it was.
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