The smell of weed.
Discussion
Griffith4ever said:
If anyone thinks prohibition works, just look at history. It never, ever backs up that theory.
Ever.
Prohibition is entirely political (and misguided)
It's all about the money and political BS for the re-election campaign.Ever.
Prohibition is entirely political (and misguided)
"A way to create jobs and shore up state revenue."
“And it brings about social justice in ways in which we have been talking about and advocating for, for decades.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/mexico-gov...
hidetheelephants said:
Why then are rates of psychosis not going up? If weed use was causing psychosis as is often alleged rates would surely have risen steadily in line with increasing use?
Rates are going up. They've been going up since the early 70's. How are you this uninformed?hidetheelephants said:
Evidence please.
Take your pick:Hundreds of studies on NIH:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC39272...
NLM:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32839678/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24904437/
Yale:https://medicine.yale.edu/psychiatry/step/resource...
Harvard:https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/teens-who-smok...
Cambridge:https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychologi...
And more: http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/streetdrug...
As an aside, the reason I know a lot of the impacts is because an immediate family member is a highly respected and accomplished psychologist who has many dozens of stories of patients who have gone off the rails from the use of weed specifically.
Mr_Megalomaniac said:
hidetheelephants said:
Why then are rates of psychosis not going up? If weed use was causing psychosis as is often alleged rates would surely have risen steadily in line with increasing use?
Rates are going up. They've been going up since the early 70's. How are you this uninformed?hidetheelephants said:
Evidence please.
Take your pick:Hundreds of studies on NIH:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC39272...
NLM:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32839678/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24904437/
Yale:https://medicine.yale.edu/psychiatry/step/resource...
Harvard:https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/teens-who-smok...
Cambridge:https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychologi...
And more: http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/streetdrug...
As an aside, the reason I know a lot of the impacts is because an immediate family member is a highly respected and accomplished psychologist who has many dozens of stories of patients who have gone off the rails from the use of weed specifically.
boffins said:
Our results provide some that cannabis initiation increases the risk of schizophrenia, although the size of the causal estimate is small. We find stronger evidence that schizophrenia risk predicts cannabis initiation, possibly as genetic instruments for schizophrenia are stronger than for cannabis initiation.
A metadata analysis found no increase in psychosis or schizophrenia rates in England between 1950 and 2009.metadata boffins said:
83 citations met inclusion. Pooled incidence of all psychoses (N = 9) was 31.7 per 100,000 person-years (95%CI: 24.6–40.9), 23.2 (95%CI: 18.3–29.5) for non-affective psychoses (N = 8), 15.2 (95%CI: 11.9–19.5) for schizophrenia (N = 15) and 12.4 (95%CI: 9.0–17.1) for affective psychoses (N = 7). This masked rate heterogeneity (I2: 0.54–0.97), possibly explained by socio-environmental factors; our review confirmed (via meta-regression) the typical age-sex interaction in psychosis risk, including secondary peak onset in women after 45 years. Rates of most disorders were elevated in several ethnic minority groups compared with the white (British) population. For example, for schizophrenia: black Caribbean (pooled RR: 5.6; 95%CI: 3.4–9.2; N = 5), black African (pooled RR: 4.7; 95%CI: 3.3–6.8; N = 5) and South Asian groups in England (pooled RR: 2.4; 95%CI: 1.3–4.5; N = 3). We found no evidence to support an overall change in the incidence of psychotic disorder over time, though diagnostic shifts (away from schizophrenia) were reported.
NMNeil said:
It's all about the money and political BS for the re-election campaign.
"A way to create jobs and shore up state revenue."
“And it brings about social justice in ways in which we have been talking about and advocating for, for decades.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/mexico-gov...
Well, the "war on drugs" was created in America under very misguided reasoning and pushed (pressured) on all of Europe. After that it became a monster that no one standing for election could undo easily - a bit like the winter heating discount, in a much less dramatic way ! :-)"A way to create jobs and shore up state revenue."
“And it brings about social justice in ways in which we have been talking about and advocating for, for decades.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/mexico-gov...
I have exactly the same issue as the OP but the large detached house next door has installed a summer house right next to my boundary where there teenage kids smoke weed with there friends, this blows into my downstairs toilet through the extraction vent and also drifts across my garden into my patio area where we like to eat and sit. As a ex smoker of 20 plus years I am staggered as I used to go to huge lengths to hide this illegal activity, I do get annoyed not that they smoke but just the location, I have found that playing classic fm helps them move further up the garden where it has a lesser affect.
why it annoys me is having two teenage sons in the house I am strongly trying to dissuade them from smoking and having the neighbors parents seemingly approve and provide a smokers den right next to my boundary is more just as bit annoying
at some point i will broch the subject with the dragon next door, but fully expect a unhelpful reply, perhaps my BBQ will be moved closer to her washing line but its probably not worth doing for all the hassle it could create
i guess as a curry addict my back garden probably smells like a Indian restaurant for a couple of nights a week and i guess thats probably not the best from my neighbors prospective
if it gets bad I lean out of the bedroom window playing police sirens on my phone that normally makes them move up the garden
what's worse the little buggers never offer me a smoke, perhaps the ultimate deterrent will be going round one night after I have had a few beers and asking for a smoke knowing that it will probably be followed by a chunder sesion followed by quickly passing out
why it annoys me is having two teenage sons in the house I am strongly trying to dissuade them from smoking and having the neighbors parents seemingly approve and provide a smokers den right next to my boundary is more just as bit annoying
at some point i will broch the subject with the dragon next door, but fully expect a unhelpful reply, perhaps my BBQ will be moved closer to her washing line but its probably not worth doing for all the hassle it could create
i guess as a curry addict my back garden probably smells like a Indian restaurant for a couple of nights a week and i guess thats probably not the best from my neighbors prospective
if it gets bad I lean out of the bedroom window playing police sirens on my phone that normally makes them move up the garden
what's worse the little buggers never offer me a smoke, perhaps the ultimate deterrent will be going round one night after I have had a few beers and asking for a smoke knowing that it will probably be followed by a chunder sesion followed by quickly passing out
djneils98 said:
LosingGrip said:
I’ve stopped people who have blown nearly three times the limit and I was shocked. They appeared sober.
.
that's because unlike the alcohol limit the drug limit is almost zero - just enough to remove defences of passive smoking..
you could have a small joint - the equivalent to a drinker having a bottle of beer - and be many times the legal limit a few hours later but in no way be impaired
the legal limit for alcohol is meaningful and someone 3 times the legal alcohol limit would be visibly under the influence.
this is why in the sentencing guidelines for drink driving the amount over is factored in but is not in drug driving guidelines
there are very few studies showing mild levels of cannabis impairing reactions/driving ability - if anything some have shown cannabis drivers to be more cautious and careful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZyDoMqReLQ
the guy in this video would be probably 10 times over the "limit"
the reality is that cannabis driving is dealt with much more harshly by the criminal justice system than drink driving when it's nowhere near as dangerous
Edited by djneils98 on Saturday 12th June 15:33
Edited by djneils98 on Saturday 12th June 17:49
Edited by Graveworm on Sunday 4th July 09:01
Griffith4ever said:
If anyone thinks prohibition works, just look at history. It never, ever backs up that theory.
Ever.
Prohibition is entirely political (and misguided)
Prohibition of alcohol failed in the US, it was legal for a long time and made illegal against public opinion. Lot's of things have been prohibited with relative success. Smoking in public places, drink drive etc. Use of cannabis which had remained steady for decades, is actually falling especially amongst the young. It's more about societal attitudes. In the UK, currently, more favour keeping recreational Cannabis illegal than legalising.Ever.
Prohibition is entirely political (and misguided)
I occasionally take a bike ride along a promenade. The smorgasbord of aromas originating from the numerous groups of stoners who assemble on the beach is quite impressive. I can usually smell them before I see them. It's got to the point now where if I pass a group and don't get a whiff of weed, then I wonder if I'm getting the 'rona.
It seems that every f
ker is on it. I don't really have a problem with it tbh but I take a huge issue with anyone who drives after a toke and lots of people do.
It seems that every f
ker is on it. I don't really have a problem with it tbh but I take a huge issue with anyone who drives after a toke and lots of people do.Three hoody teenagers were on a bench smoking it the other day in the park, right next to the play area where my young kids were. To be fair when I told them to fk off they grumbled a bit about it being a free park then toddled off. Horrible stuff and far more dangerous than many like to admit.
Suppose these days I'm lucky I didn't get stabbed.
k off they grumbled a bit about it being a free park then toddled off. Horrible stuff and far more dangerous than many like to admit.Suppose these days I'm lucky I didn't get stabbed.
NMNeil said:
I now have 2 small White Widow and 2 Bubba Kush seedlings in a grow tent.
When they get bigger I'll let you know if there's any sort of a smell
Please let us know how you get on. I tried to get some Gorilla Zkittlez growing last year and both died! When they get bigger I'll let you know if there's any sort of a smell
I smoke but try and be considerate so only in the garden when no-ones in next doors. See no difference to having a beer or wine.
Used to smoke resin which doesn't seem to be available nowadays! Sweeter smell and we'd roll a few mini spliffs if we were out and about. Smoking a normal sized cig. even if it was a spliff didn't seem to draw attention then. Also didn't get the hate then for some reason.
Afghani Black, Cashmere Twist, (Something) Gold, all resin around in the 80s and 90s!
Never had any schizophrenic episodes from 18 - 59yrs old!
Used to have some great nights on Speed, Acid, Blow, and Beer, not all together!! Never fancied Ecstasy as I'm not into clubs and dancing 'till you drop or whatever they get up to, but then I can't 'kin dance anyway! I can tell you playing chess on Acid with a Silver and Gold Chess set under candlelight is 'interesting!
Only smoke now, no powders or tabs nowadays.
Gonna have a spliff and watch the Austrian GP!
Peace and Love Man!!
I have known some high achieving people who like a smoke for decades.
Also some people who really shouldn't use it because it enables their lack of achievement.
Difference between people who use it to relax after being under pressure and people who use it to make a life of daytime TV tolerable.
Also some people who really shouldn't use it because it enables their lack of achievement.
Difference between people who use it to relax after being under pressure and people who use it to make a life of daytime TV tolerable.
otolith said:
I have known some high achieving people who like a smoke for decades.
Also some people who really shouldn't use it because it enables their lack of achievement.
Difference between people who use it to relax after being under pressure and people who use it to make a life of daytime TV tolerable.
It's a recreational drug although if you're using your hands it can actually be helpful as you can really get into it. Also some people who really shouldn't use it because it enables their lack of achievement.
Difference between people who use it to relax after being under pressure and people who use it to make a life of daytime TV tolerable.
Many years ago. I worked as a ceramic sprayer. Bog Sprayer in reality where we sprayed a bog, cistern, basin, or whatever on a turntable, in a booth with serious extraction fans sucking any overspray, or in those days, smoke from your 'ciggy'
The noise was such we all wore ear protectors, usually those sponge ones you insert into your ears. I once nearly hit the MD in the face as I flipped the pipes to my spray gun over my shoulder to spray the inside of the toilet! I didn't know he was behind me due to the noise, and he apologised to me for being too close and in my work space. The thing that got me was I had a mini spliff in my mouth and he didn't even suspect. 
I was pleasantly stoned and enjoying my working day! 
I very very rarely had a complaint over quality, or indeed quantity, in the 12 years I was there. I actually left when the company bought a set of old Italian car spraying robots to replace us hand sprayers and told us we basically could keep our jobs by moving to shift work, and we'd just be loading and unloading the automated line!! Weed Can be useful when your using your hands, even being artistic in some way, and make it thoroughly enjoyable as well! Be careful of the munchies though! Or starting what was going to be a short post!!
Short Grain said:
Smoking a normal sized cig. even if it was a spliff didn't seem to draw attention then. Also didn't get the hate then for some reason.
Because it didn't smell as bad? I know the stuff people were smoking around me ~20 years back wasn't particularly offensive.It does seem like a lot of people are pretty mellow over whether or not others smoke weed, it's just the stench that's the problem.
Its Just Adz said:
1602Mark said:
If you just speak to them like grown ups and respectfully explain the issue, they may just do something to resolve it amicably? They may simply be unaware that the stench is causing an issue to others and prefer not to bring attention to themselves by letting it continue.
This.Just speak to them, people smoking weed are usually pretty relaxed.
Now the cannabis is mostly grown here and sold without processing, the users are far more paranoid and belligerent.
I'd decriminalise the strains which have had their process refined over hundreds of years and move the homegrown 'superskunk' type varieties up the banned list.
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