No Mask, No Entry, No Exceptions
Discussion
RipTrip1 said:
If hospital beds are somehow still an issue we have 7 gigantic Nightingale hospitals on standby. To date they've hardly been used, maybe now is the time, considering they cost 530 million to build.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2021/04/nhs-nigh...
They always were just emergency field hospitals, if more people had ignored lockdown and we hadn't 'got away' with the number of infections/hospitalisations we did they would have been full. https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2021/04/nhs-nigh...
Unfortunately it would have only been patients they would have been full of, not medics. Yes there were plans for RAMC etc to help fulfil the medical side, but pretty soon they would have been using Combat Medical Technicians, followed by Scouts and Guides if they had a first aid badge.
Of course it would have been politically disastrous if hospitalisations had continued to increase exponentially and people were dying in tents at hospital entrances, but the facts are we can't magic up trained medics particularly after we've just sent all those 'foreign ones' home.
CharlesdeGaulle said:
So no-one has retired or died or left the profession then? That's an extra 30,000 pairs of hands to the pumps? Is that really what you're suggesting?
Of course they have, it isn't a fixed number. Whichever way you swing it there are more NHS staff now than there was a year ago even if the only variable you consider (all else kept the same as 2020) is that the number of covid patients in hospitals has reduced. Which it has, massively. Bringing it back to the original point, at this moment in time, getting the vaccine to free up hospital beds isnt a valid argument. I'm glad that in the height of the pandemic, NHS staff across the country found time to do their Tiktok dance videos though. Good stuff.Captain Raymond Holt said:
And our survey said…
Wrong.
A quick google is all you had to do. Thanks for playing, better luck next timeWrong.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
RipTrip1 said:
even if the only variable you consider (all else kept the same as 2020) is that the number of covid patients in hospitals has reduced. Which it has, massively.
Bringing it back to the original point, at this moment in time, getting the vaccine to free up hospital beds isnt a valid argument.
1 Great that in your world all those patients who missed on out appointments in the last 15 months have magically cured themselves so no longer need treatment and the waiting list has almost vanished.Bringing it back to the original point, at this moment in time, getting the vaccine to free up hospital beds isnt a valid argument.
2 Except it is a valid argument to any rational person.
3 If a cardiologist with 35 years of experience retires how do you fancy a graduate in their first year of their foundation programme operating on you solo?
Captain Raymond Holt said:
You’re obviously googling a different question to the point you posted 
what has patient admissions got to do with your point on NHS staff being vaccinated meaning staff shortages are a thing of the past…
I didn't say a thing of the past you throbber. I said not the issue they used to be. what has patient admissions got to do with your point on NHS staff being vaccinated meaning staff shortages are a thing of the past…Nurse treats x amount of patients in height of pandemic
Nurse treats less covid patients now, as less covid patients in hospitals
Overall less nurses needed for covid patients
These surplus covid nurses can treat other patients unrelated to covid. E.g Dorothy and her hip replacement
I'm done debating with you, not only do you twist my words, you either purposely play dumb or just are exactly that. Either way, it's a waste of my time. As I said, thanks for playing
J__Wood said:
1 Great that in your world all those patients who missed on out appointments in the last 15 months have magically cured themselves so no longer need treatment and the waiting list has almost vanished.
2 Except it is a valid argument to any rational person.
3 If a cardiologist with 35 years of experience retires how do you fancy a graduate in their first year of their foundation programme operating on you solo?
1. They need treatment and can get it sooner than the height of the pandemic, covid patients aren't straining the system anywhere near as bad as they were. 2 Except it is a valid argument to any rational person.
3 If a cardiologist with 35 years of experience retires how do you fancy a graduate in their first year of their foundation programme operating on you solo?
2. No it isn't. I don't know what universe you live in but in mine, never in history have people taken an emergency vaccine for the sole purpose of helping the countries healthcare system.
3. If the graduate is fully trained I have no problem with that. If you've ever taken a budget flight, it's more than likely the pilot had much less flight hours than a 20 year veteran for British Airways. Do you sit on the plane the whole time shaking in fear that this fresh flight school graduate doesn't know what he's doing? Doubt it.
Personally, I've not been to a hospital for treatment in years, and I've had covid. Tell me again how an unvaxed, 'covid survivor' such as myself is straining the NHS?
Agree to disagree. You do you
RipTrip1 said:
1. They need treatment and can get it sooner than the height of the pandemic, covid patients aren't straining the system anywhere near as bad as they were.
2. No it isn't. I don't know what universe you live in but in mine, never in history have people taken an emergency vaccine for the sole purpose of helping the countries healthcare system.
3. If the graduate is fully trained I have no problem with that. If you've ever taken a budget flight, it's more than likely the pilot had much less flight hours than a 20 year veteran for British Airways. Do you sit on the plane the whole time shaking in fear that this fresh flight school graduate doesn't know what he's doing? Doubt it.
Personally, I've not been to a hospital for treatment in years, and I've had covid. Tell me again how an unvaxed, 'covid survivor' such as myself is straining the NHS?
1. But more ill people could get treatment early if covid patients weren't 'bed blocking'. The overwhelming majority of whom have not been double vaccinated.2. No it isn't. I don't know what universe you live in but in mine, never in history have people taken an emergency vaccine for the sole purpose of helping the countries healthcare system.
3. If the graduate is fully trained I have no problem with that. If you've ever taken a budget flight, it's more than likely the pilot had much less flight hours than a 20 year veteran for British Airways. Do you sit on the plane the whole time shaking in fear that this fresh flight school graduate doesn't know what he's doing? Doubt it.
Personally, I've not been to a hospital for treatment in years, and I've had covid. Tell me again how an unvaxed, 'covid survivor' such as myself is straining the NHS?
2. I'm from the universe of medical science and facts it appears very alien to you. People have always taken a safe, tested vaccine just like the Covid one to prevent long term major illness or to reduce the chance of death. The protecting the NHS is just a happy side effect (sorry shouldn't have used that word, it probably brings you out in cold sweats...
3. No it would be like sitting behind a trainee pilot in a Robinson R44 when they had done many hours (years) of theory and this was their first hour with an instructor, yes I would be shaking if the instructor dropped dead - even if I wasn't in the Reliant Robin of helicopters.
4. I've had several motor cycle crashes on and off road, some at >120mph. I've never died or needed a hospital tell me how motorcycles are dangerous. However if 84% of RTC A&E admissions were due to motorcycle crashes there would be moves to tighten up regulation just as there was in the 1980s
Edited by J__Wood on Friday 30th July 19:06
Captain Raymond Holt said:
RipTrip1 said:
Captain Raymond Holt said:
You’re obviously googling a different question to the point you posted what has patient admissions got to do with your point on NHS staff being vaccinated meaning staff shortages are a thing of the past…
I didn't say a thing of the past you throbber. I said not the issue they used to be. what has patient admissions got to do with your point on NHS staff being vaccinated meaning staff shortages are a thing of the past…Nurse treats x amount of patients in height of pandemic
Nurse treats less covid patients now, as less covid patients in hospitals
Overall less nurses needed for covid patients
These surplus covid nurses can treat other patients unrelated to covid. E.g Dorothy and her hip replacement
I'm done debating with you, not only do you twist my words, you either purposely play dumb or just are exactly that. Either way, it's a waste of my time. As I said, thanks for playing
In an effort to educate you (although I have a feeling you see being educated as ‘defeat’)…
You might grasp the fact that currently (and annoyingly) staff regardless of their vaccination status are isolating due to family members, close (out of work) contacts that type of thing.
Therefore you still do have a shortage of staff, regardless of their vax status and the volume of covid admissions. You’d hope the isolation rules change soon (My partner runs an ITU and the Trust confirmed yesterday that they’re not yet running anything special to mean staff dont need to isolate if required, annoying).
What you are talking about and wrongly calling ‘staff shortage’ is capacity and a function of bed management (everyone hates bed managers), coupled with blue/grey/green systems (or Trust variations on the colours) which are in place and making things more complicated, and yes staffing also unsurprisingly also has an influence on capacity.
I know why you’re ‘done debating with me’ and its not the reason you claim.
Sounds like a good threat title for NP&E
V6 Pushfit said:
2021 Darwin Award winning stuff keep it up….
Agreed. This lady definitely deserves such an award:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9826739...
Crazy work covid rules where I work....
If I have been away from the office and working from home for over 30 days and need to go back into the office I need a negative covid test. Even though I live by myself and have not been out of the house.
Yet if I had been in the office within 30 days and been to Ascot and the football and wimbledon and the F1 and the pub etc.etc. I don't need a test.
If I am sat at my desk I don't need to wear a mask but if I stand up I have to put my mask on. Work that one out!
If I have been away from the office and working from home for over 30 days and need to go back into the office I need a negative covid test. Even though I live by myself and have not been out of the house.
Yet if I had been in the office within 30 days and been to Ascot and the football and wimbledon and the F1 and the pub etc.etc. I don't need a test.
If I am sat at my desk I don't need to wear a mask but if I stand up I have to put my mask on. Work that one out!
And our good friend the anti-masker expat (immigrant) represents well his similarly inclined compatriots here.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9864365/B...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9864365/B...
StamV said:
And our good friend the anti-masker expat (immigrant) represents well his similarly inclined compatriots here.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9864365/B...
‘Enlightened’ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9864365/B...
TGTiff said:
Crazy work covid rules where I work....
If I have been away from the office and working from home for over 30 days and need to go back into the office I need a negative covid test. Even though I live by myself and have not been out of the house.
Yet if I had been in the office within 30 days and been to Ascot and the football and wimbledon and the F1 and the pub etc.etc. I don't need a test.
If I am sat at my desk I don't need to wear a mask but if I stand up I have to put my mask on. Work that one out!
There is nothing to work out. You just have to accept the clown world we live in now. Unless someone can give a logical explanation for those rules. I agree, absolutely ridiculous and ill thought out, seems to be a trend since the China virus first startedIf I have been away from the office and working from home for over 30 days and need to go back into the office I need a negative covid test. Even though I live by myself and have not been out of the house.
Yet if I had been in the office within 30 days and been to Ascot and the football and wimbledon and the F1 and the pub etc.etc. I don't need a test.
If I am sat at my desk I don't need to wear a mask but if I stand up I have to put my mask on. Work that one out!
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