No Mask, No Entry, No Exceptions

No Mask, No Entry, No Exceptions

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Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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sevensfun said:
eldrich said:
bad company said:
Where on earth is that? Sounds awful.
Taiwan
Aka hell
How are they doing in terms of COVID related deaths?

sevensfun

730 posts

35 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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sospan said:
Masks are one part of simple common sense precautions to reduce ( not eradicate) transmission. I am happy to wear one where it is required. The trouble is there are too many self important “ rules don't apply to me” t***s about. If you have a genuine reason to not wear one then that is ok. Atthe moment the UK is in a fairly good place re infections/ spread so itwill not be much longer before we will be in the “ low risk so live with it ” stage.
We have had a cycle of lockdown/ release as infections reappear due to relaxation of guidelines and creation of conditions to cause spread. We don’t want a repeat and the only success this Gov has had in the vaccine program has been a game changer.
Covid is here to stay with variants as with other viruses so we are about to hit the live with it stage. Likely The Boris target date despite Variant D .
Yes there are stupid inconsistencies in rules and their interpretation but basically it is down to individual responsibility, something we seem to lack.
Me? I’ll wear a mask when needed or required. No big deal.
Why the big fuss? There are both deniers/ entitled and jobsworths on each opposite side. If someone becomes over zealous then my action is to just go and take my business elsewhere. I dod once question an over zealous person asking them of their knowledge of viruses/ epidemiology and pointed out their errors before leaving.
Anyway, we will soon have much less restrictions. Not quote pre Covid normality but close.
If masks are such a fantastic idea then why did it take so long for govt and WHO to mandate use?

sevensfun

730 posts

35 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Countdown said:
How are they doing in terms of COVID related deaths?
Don’t care

sevensfun

730 posts

35 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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GasEngineer said:
I applaud the shop or pub who enforce mask wearing rather than relying on other customers having to challenge or remind those who have forgotten their mask or have decided that they don't have to comply.

Other customers who do challenge people who are not wearing a mask are often met with abuse or belligerent behaviour - as if they are the ones in the wrong.
That’s exactly what they should be met with

What business is it of theirs?

billshoreham

358 posts

124 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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J__Wood said:
Plus with the South West having a much higher percentage of 'aged' population they need infection rates to be much lower.

Although along with the last three peaks helping solve the pension crisis, a new resurgence of Covid in the SW (from being rammed with visitors from higher infection rate areas last week onwards) could also solve the problem of no affordable homes for local folk .
you haven't really thought that through have you?

monthou

4,545 posts

49 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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sevensfun said:
GasEngineer said:
I applaud the shop or pub who enforce mask wearing rather than relying on other customers having to challenge or remind those who have forgotten their mask or have decided that they don't have to comply.

Other customers who do challenge people who are not wearing a mask are often met with abuse or belligerent behaviour - as if they are the ones in the wrong.
That’s exactly what they should be met with

What business is it of theirs?
Possibly they're concerned about their own safety.

Pit Pony

8,268 posts

120 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Red9zero said:
Masks in cars get me. Fair enough in a taxi, or if you are giving someone a lift, ok if it's not your car, but I've seen people in their own cars, on their own, wearing a mask. Would you not just run a Dettol wipe over the inside instead if you were that bothered ? I regularly see a chap go past our house in his convertible, with the roof down, wearing a mask. It's just odd.
I wore a mask to drive from one shop to another on the other side of town, because I couldn't be arsed taking it off, and it was a cold day.



Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Pit Pony said:
Red9zero said:
Masks in cars get me. Fair enough in a taxi, or if you are giving someone a lift, ok if it's not your car, but I've seen people in their own cars, on their own, wearing a mask. Would you not just run a Dettol wipe over the inside instead if you were that bothered ? I regularly see a chap go past our house in his convertible, with the roof down, wearing a mask. It's just odd.
I wore a mask to drive from one shop to another on the other side of town, because I couldn't be arsed taking it off, and it was a cold day.
It gets to a point where you don't really notice it.

oyster

12,577 posts

247 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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V1nce Fox said:
4rephill said:
Trackdayer said:
I have now noticed the opposite happening, I've been told to take my mask off twice in the last week. Once in a local bakery, once in a motor trade premises.

I don't mind wearing one, but it seems a lot of places are pushing back against them now.
Politely advising you that you do not need to wear a mask if you do not wish to, is one thing.

Being told to take your mask off, in a bakery or motor trade premises (or elsewhere), is something completely different (and would be responded to with a: "F**k You!" and single finger salute as I walked out)

If you feel unsafe in public without a mask on, with the exception of an identification check for security, no one should have the right to tell you to remove your mask!
Almost as though the best policy would be to allow everyone their own freedom of choice, isn’t it?
Does that include freedom of choice of establishments to refuse entry if you make your own free choice not to wear a mask?

V1nce Fox

5,508 posts

67 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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oyster said:
Does that include freedom of choice of establishments to refuse entry if you make your own free choice not to wear a mask?
Once all reasonable opportunities to protect oneself have been offered (vaccination, prophylaxis/therapeutic, wearing of own mask) then i don’t see why forcing others to wear a mask should be legally allowed.

oyster

12,577 posts

247 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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sevensfun said:
GasEngineer said:
I applaud the shop or pub who enforce mask wearing rather than relying on other customers having to challenge or remind those who have forgotten their mask or have decided that they don't have to comply.

Other customers who do challenge people who are not wearing a mask are often met with abuse or belligerent behaviour - as if they are the ones in the wrong.
That’s exactly what they should be met with

What business is it of theirs?
They’re part of the community, a community you chose to join by being in the same shop as them at the same time.

And you’re in a situation with them where it’s mandated to wear masks for their safety.

Regardless whether it actually is safer is irrelevant, it’s just polite. And if you can’t or won’t do polite then you have a bigger problem than just masks.

oyster

12,577 posts

247 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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V1nce Fox said:
oyster said:
Does that include freedom of choice of establishments to refuse entry if you make your own free choice not to wear a mask?
Once all reasonable opportunities to protect oneself have been offered (vaccination, prophylaxis/therapeutic, wearing of own mask) then i don’t see why forcing others to wear a mask should be legally allowed.
Not disagreeing with you on that, but that’s a different point that we haven’t yet reached as a society.

boyse7en

6,671 posts

164 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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"everyone should have the freedom to choose what they want to do!!"

"In that case, I choose not to let you use my establishment without a mask"

"Bwwaaa! Not fair! You must comply to what I want!"

V1nce Fox

5,508 posts

67 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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oyster said:
Not disagreeing with you on that, but that’s a different point that we haven’t yet reached as a society.
Fair enough. Hopefully soon though.

bad company

Original Poster:

18,484 posts

265 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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sospan said:
Masks are one part of simple common sense precautions to reduce ( not eradicate) transmission. I am happy to wear one where it is required. The trouble is there are too many self important “ rules don't apply to me” t***s about. If you have a genuine reason to not wear one then that is ok. Atthe moment the UK is in a fairly good place re infections/ spread so itwill not be much longer before we will be in the “ low risk so live with it ” stage.
We have had a cycle of lockdown/ release as infections reappear due to relaxation of guidelines and creation of conditions to cause spread. We don’t want a repeat and the only success this Gov has had in the vaccine program has been a game changer.
Covid is here to stay with variants as with other viruses so we are about to hit the live with it stage. Likely The Boris target date despite Variant D .
Yes there are stupid inconsistencies in rules and their interpretation but basically it is down to individual responsibility, something we seem to lack.
Me? I’ll wear a mask when needed or required. No big deal.
Why the big fuss? There are both deniers/ entitled and jobsworths on each opposite side. If someone becomes over zealous then my action is to just go and take my business elsewhere. I dod once question an over zealous person asking them of their knowledge of viruses/ epidemiology and pointed out their errors before leaving.
Anyway, we will soon have much less restrictions. Not quote pre Covid normality but close.
How does any of that relate to the op’s (my) question?

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

197 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Yep, the government's really done a number on the population with this one.
No doubt they're frantically trying to figure out how to convince people that voting Conservative will protect you from covid, and they can rule for a thousand years.

Jaguar99

517 posts

37 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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I really detest wearing masks. I just don’t like wearing them but don’t have any reason for exemption. My mask goes on at the last minute it needs to and straight back off as soon as possible. Meanwhile, my wife leaves hers on a lot as “it’s easier…”

Whether other people choose to wear them wear they don’t need to doesn’t bother me. Like others have said, in some places it seems strange but each to their own

I have two jobs and both require a mask at particular times - a mixture of company policy, customer policies and Covid regs - the Gov reducing mask wearing requirements can’t come soon enough so hopefully the companies follow suit. In the circumstances when I need to ask customers to put them on I don’t enjoy it either…

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Countdown said:
Pit Pony said:
Red9zero said:
Masks in cars get me. Fair enough in a taxi, or if you are giving someone a lift, ok if it's not your car, but I've seen people in their own cars, on their own, wearing a mask. Would you not just run a Dettol wipe over the inside instead if you were that bothered ? I regularly see a chap go past our house in his convertible, with the roof down, wearing a mask. It's just odd.
I wore a mask to drive from one shop to another on the other side of town, because I couldn't be arsed taking it off, and it was a cold day.
It gets to a point where you don't really notice it.
And if you wear glasses, when you've finally got the mask right so it doesn't steam the up, you leave it in place if you're going to need it on 5 minutes later!

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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anonymous said:
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Ahem. The part of Essex I'm in has a far larger percentage of older people than almost anywhere else, probably why it was leading the vaccination charts for several months.

Tendring - Harwich for the Continent, Frinton for the incontinent smile

donkmeister

7,999 posts

99 months

Sunday 6th June 2021
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V1nce Fox said:
oyster said:
Does that include freedom of choice of establishments to refuse entry if you make your own free choice not to wear a mask?
Once all reasonable opportunities to protect oneself have been offered (vaccination, prophylaxis/therapeutic, wearing of own mask) then i don’t see why forcing others to wear a mask should be legally allowed.
So you are saying that the business owner should wear a mask if they like but shouldn't be allowed to insist that you wear one when inside their business?

Also when has anyone forced anyone to enter a private business as a customer? I've been in plenty of private businesses, wearing a mask as requested, at no point did anyone stick a gun to my head and frogmarch me in.