No Mask, No Entry, No Exceptions
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I'm confused. Wasn't the premise of this thread supposed to be:
bad company said:
I don’t want to start another pro/anti mask debate, there’s been a few of those.
I’ve passed a few mainly smaller shops and cafes with signage saying you cannot enter without a mask, no exceptions. Does this contravene disability laws?
Was the original question answered before the thread disappeared down the NP&E route?I’ve passed a few mainly smaller shops and cafes with signage saying you cannot enter without a mask, no exceptions. Does this contravene disability laws?
Edited by kingston12 on Friday 25th June 09:46
kingston12 said:
I'm confused. Wasn't the premise of this thread supposed to be:
You’re absolutely right, as usual on PH the threads go off topic. Inevitable in this case I reckon.bad company said:
I don’t want to start another pro/anti mask debate, there’s been a few of those.
I’ve passed a few mainly smaller shops and cafes with signage saying you cannot enter without a mask, no exceptions. Does this contravene disability laws?
I’ve passed a few mainly smaller shops and cafes with signage saying you cannot enter without a mask, no exceptions. Does this contravene disability laws?
bad company said:
You’re absolutely right, as usual on PH the threads go off topic. Inevitable in this case I reckon.
I missed the key question from my post and edited afterwards - Was your question answered before the thread went OT? I'm interested, but this is one thread where I really can't be bothered to wade through 45 pages to find out!I do find it an interesting point - I've seen nothing that specifically says businesses can say no to mask exceptions, but is there anything in existing law that allows them to bar entry for ANY reason?
bad company said:
Several people on here including myself have posted lots of very valid reasons for not wearing masks. If you choose to ignore them and keep your face muzzled fine, that’s your business.
I've seen nothing scientific or logical on here posted by you. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.All I see from you is bitterness and childishness. I'm open to discussing alternative points of view if they're presented sensibly, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
I mean, you're still calling them muzzles. It's pathetic.
kingston12 said:
I missed the key question from my post and edited afterwards - Was your question answered before it went OT. I'm interested, but this is one thread where I really can't be bothered to wade through 45 pages to find out!
I do find it an interesting point - I've seen nothing that specifically says businesses can say no to mask exceptions, but is there anything in existing law that allows them to bar try for ANY reason?
Dress code?? Golf clubs regularly have rules like wearing a jacket/tie at the bar, or how about school uniform rules?I do find it an interesting point - I've seen nothing that specifically says businesses can say no to mask exceptions, but is there anything in existing law that allows them to bar try for ANY reason?
I suppose one could make it company policy as per the thread title, but small shop/cafe owners might lose a lot of business if this was a requirement to enter the premises.
kingston12 said:
bad company said:
You’re absolutely right, as usual on PH the threads go off topic. Inevitable in this case I reckon.
I missed the key question from my post and edited afterwards - Was your question answered before the thread went OT? I'm interested, but this is one thread where I really can't be bothered to wade through 45 pages to find out!I do find it an interesting point - I've seen nothing that specifically says businesses can say no to mask exceptions, but is there anything in existing law that allows them to bar entry for ANY reason?
They cannot not admit you if you have genuine ground like an illness such a asthma or COPD. I was with a friend and we were denied access in a pub on Friday. We both have COPD and have proof of it in the way of a prescription slip and medication.
It is an offense under the Equality Act, just the same as a blind person being not allowed in because he has a guide dog.
In this case we just went to the pub next door who were understanding and supportive. We reported the issue to the brewery as the license holder was not interested. Whether it is followed up is another matter.. just vote with your feet and go elsewhere.
https://www.rethink.org/advice-and-information/cov...
Biker 1 said:
kingston12 said:
I missed the key question from my post and edited afterwards - Was your question answered before it went OT. I'm interested, but this is one thread where I really can't be bothered to wade through 45 pages to find out!
I do find it an interesting point - I've seen nothing that specifically says businesses can say no to mask exceptions, but is there anything in existing law that allows them to bar try for ANY reason?
Dress code?? Golf clubs regularly have rules like wearing a jacket/tie at the bar, or how about school uniform rules?I do find it an interesting point - I've seen nothing that specifically says businesses can say no to mask exceptions, but is there anything in existing law that allows them to bar try for ANY reason?
There is no way (in my view) that they could discriminate directly against those not wearing masks under this current guidance, but they could use a general right of refusal if that exists.
Biker said:
I suppose one could make it company policy as per the thread title, but small shop/cafe owners might lose a lot of business if this was a requirement to enter the premises.
indeed. I suppose it might have actually gained them business in the early stages of the pandemic, but would be more likely to lose it now even that mask compliance seems to be waning.bad company said:
This was one of the earlier responses:-
They cannot not admit you if you have genuine ground like an illness such a asthma or COPD. I was with a friend and we were denied access in a pub on Friday. We both have COPD and have proof of it in the way of a prescription slip and medication.
It is an offense under the Equality Act, just the same as a blind person being not allowed in because he has a guide dog.
In this case we just went to the pub next door who were understanding and supportive. We reported the issue to the brewery as the license holder was not interested. Whether it is followed up is another matter.. just vote with your feet and go elsewhere.
https://www.rethink.org/advice-and-information/cov...
It sounds like a real can of worms in that case. My understanding of the guidelines is that you can choose to claim an exemption for almost anything and cannot be challenged on it or forced to prove a diagnosis, but the Equality Act obviously says different.They cannot not admit you if you have genuine ground like an illness such a asthma or COPD. I was with a friend and we were denied access in a pub on Friday. We both have COPD and have proof of it in the way of a prescription slip and medication.
It is an offense under the Equality Act, just the same as a blind person being not allowed in because he has a guide dog.
In this case we just went to the pub next door who were understanding and supportive. We reported the issue to the brewery as the license holder was not interested. Whether it is followed up is another matter.. just vote with your feet and go elsewhere.
https://www.rethink.org/advice-and-information/cov...
bad company said:
just vote with your feet and go elsewhere.
I just don't bother as much. I tend to take the path of least resistance, so I wear a mask when I have to, but the box of 50 that I bought last March is still almost full (and I do wear a fresh one each time!).The only pubs I have been to are the ones where you can sit out the front and order by app and all my shopping is done online now. I'm not even hugely 'anti-mask', but wearing one takes some enjoyment away from social experiences like the pub and adds hassle to routine tasks like shopping.
kingston12 said:
I'm confused. Wasn't the premise of this thread supposed to be:
More accurately the question was posed in bad faith.bad company said:
I don’t want to start another pro/anti mask debate, there’s been a few of those.
I’ve passed a few mainly smaller shops and cafes with signage saying you cannot enter without a mask, no exceptions. Does this contravene disability laws?
Was the original question answered before the thread disappeared down the NP&E route?I’ve passed a few mainly smaller shops and cafes with signage saying you cannot enter without a mask, no exceptions. Does this contravene disability laws?
sevensfun said:
That one is so obvious I am not sure even YJ is daft enough to write war and peace response
Meh. I'll just stick to knocking car door mirrors out of my way when they pavement park. Can't be my fault, right? I mean "maybe THEY should be the ones who take more steps to I can do this shizzle all day long, but I'd rather not take this thread off topic any further than it's already gone. And anyway, it's really nice to find out that I have a stalker/superfan. I didn't think I was famous enough...
Countdown said:
bad company said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
Moron who was adamant that COVID wasn't a big deal dies shocker. 
( https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths )
Deaths within 28 days of positive test
Number of deaths within 28 days of first positive test, reported on Sunday, 27 June 2021 - Total = 128,100
Deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate
Number of deaths where COVID-19 is mentioned as a cause on the death certificate, registered during the week ending Friday, 11 June 2021 - Total = 152,490
MANY of those will be people who took the Government's Project Fear campaign VERY seriously indeed. SOME will have followed Government advice TO THE LETTER. Yet they are STILL DEAD. Does that make them MORONS too?
yellowjack said:
Countdown said:
bad company said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
Moron who was adamant that COVID wasn't a big deal dies shocker. ( https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths )
Deaths within 28 days of positive test
Number of deaths within 28 days of first positive test, reported on Sunday, 27 June 2021 - Total = 128,100
Deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate
Number of deaths where COVID-19 is mentioned as a cause on the death certificate, registered during the week ending Friday, 11 June 2021 - Total = 152,490
MANY of those will be people who took the Government's Project Fear campaign VERY seriously indeed. SOME will have followed Government advice TO THE LETTER. Yet they are STILL DEAD. Does that make them MORONS too?
Countdown said:
It makes them morons if they were COVID deniers, refused to do anything to reduce infection risks to themselves, were happy to risk infecting others, and bragged about how they managed to avoid wearing a mask by pretending to have a disability.
How many times ?!You don’t need to pretend to have a disability to be exempt. You can simply decide you have had enough of wearing a mask and that’s why you’re exempt.sevensfun said:
How many times ?!You don’t need to pretend to have a disability to be exempt. You can simply decide you have had enough of wearing a mask and that’s why you’re exempt.
I may have missed something. Can you point to something that says you can be exempt by simply deciding not to wear a mask?https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-co...
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