No Mask, No Entry, No Exceptions

[sevensfun]

Graveworm said:

A court. Have you read what I posted?

Who is taking me to court? No place has an issue with it.

[Graveworm]

sevensfun said:

Graveworm said:

A court. Have you read what I posted?

Who is taking me to court? No place has an issue with it.

Well there have been thousands of people issued fixed penalties, those who haven't paid have been taken to court.

[sevensfun]

Graveworm said:

Well there have been thousands of people issued fixed penalties, those who haven't paid have been taken to court.

Already? And outcomes found them all guilty right? Muzzle up you bad man!!!!

[superlightr]

Graveworm said:

superlightr said:

Graveworm said:

sevensfun said:

Graveworm said:

3.—(1) No person may, without reasonable excuse, enter or remain within a relevant place without wearing a face covering.
4.—(1) For the purposes of regulation 3(1), the circumstances in which a person (“P”) has a reasonable excuse include those where—
(a)P cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering—
(i)because of any physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability (within the meaning of section 6 of the Equality Act 2010 F1), or
(ii)without severe distress;

Where the defendant to an information or complaint relies for his defence on any exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification, whether or not it accompanies the description of the offence or matter of complaint in the enactment creating the offence or on which the complaint is founded, the burden or proving the exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification shall be on him; and this notwithstanding that the information or complaint contains an allegation negativing the exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification.

How will they prove I don’t find it extremely distressing?

1) Which has what to do with "You can simply decide you have had enough of wearing a mask and that’s why you’re exempt."
2) As above they don't have to prove anything you have to prove that you cannot without severe distress.

hey - unjust and immoral laws deserve to be ignored and gotten around which may include a lie.

Are you going to squeel like a stuck piggy if you see someone without a mask you think should have one? or will you just fume, tut and be rightous under your mask that you are obeying?

So we have moved on from the original made up information to being comfortable with being dishonest to escape the consequences of your actions. It's often also called having the courage of your convictions.
Why would it worry me?
In your world - Who gets to decide if a law is unjust, some think property ownership is unjust can they help themselves to your stuff? You OK with those who point out that age of consent is arbitrary? Most importantly how does it help the cause of justice by being dishonest about your condition?

As a person who used to work in Law - Im very much in favour of law and order, of the rights of people and the processes involved in making laws and our parliament.

Whats happened over the last 18mth has been shocking. Its abhorrent. Its an abomination.
I said it at the start and keep saying it. The laws and regulations are immoral and unjust. They are wrong. They are wrong on such basic levels of human rights that Im saddened that so many cannot see this.

The govt are abusing us, they are coercive, manipulating and have over stepped the mark so badly on so many different levels - it is a duty to anyone who has any sense of basic human rights and liberties to stand up against them.

[Alucidnation]

superlightr said:

Graveworm said:

superlightr said:

Graveworm said:

sevensfun said:

Graveworm said:

3.—(1) No person may, without reasonable excuse, enter or remain within a relevant place without wearing a face covering.
4.—(1) For the purposes of regulation 3(1), the circumstances in which a person (“P”) has a reasonable excuse include those where—
(a)P cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering—
(i)because of any physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability (within the meaning of section 6 of the Equality Act 2010 F1), or
(ii)without severe distress;

Where the defendant to an information or complaint relies for his defence on any exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification, whether or not it accompanies the description of the offence or matter of complaint in the enactment creating the offence or on which the complaint is founded, the burden or proving the exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification shall be on him; and this notwithstanding that the information or complaint contains an allegation negativing the exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification.

How will they prove I don’t find it extremely distressing?

1) Which has what to do with "You can simply decide you have had enough of wearing a mask and that’s why you’re exempt."
2) As above they don't have to prove anything you have to prove that you cannot without severe distress.

hey - unjust and immoral laws deserve to be ignored and gotten around which may include a lie.

Are you going to squeel like a stuck piggy if you see someone without a mask you think should have one? or will you just fume, tut and be rightous under your mask that you are obeying?

So we have moved on from the original made up information to being comfortable with being dishonest to escape the consequences of your actions. It's often also called having the courage of your convictions.
Why would it worry me?
In your world - Who gets to decide if a law is unjust, some think property ownership is unjust can they help themselves to your stuff? You OK with those who point out that age of consent is arbitrary? Most importantly how does it help the cause of justice by being dishonest about your condition?

As a person who used to work in Law - Im very much in favour of law and order, of the rights of people and the processes involved in making laws and our parliament.

Whats happened over the last 18mth has been shocking. Its abhorrent. Its an abomination.
I said it at the start and keep saying it. The laws and regulations are immoral and unjust. They are wrong. They are wrong on such basic levels of human rights that Im saddened that so many cannot see this.

The govt are abusing us, they are coercive, manipulating and have over stepped the mark so badly on so many different levels - it is a duty to anyone who has any sense of basic human rights and liberties to stand up against them.

The same could be said for nearly every other country in the world.

[anonymous-user]

sevensfun said:

Roman Rhodes said:

"Severely distressing" is the same as upset. HTH.

No it doesn’t. One is reaction to wearing a mask (which I don’t and thus not severely distressed/upset) and one comment is talking about posts here.

Is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour? You don't wear a mask. Clever little you - have a virtual pat on the head. You appear to be the only one getting upset (if you wear a mask). They don't bother me and pointing out that you sound like a petulant child isn't being upset, in fact you're amusing in a 'some mothers do 'ave 'em' kind of way.

[superlightr]

Alucidnation said:

superlightr said:

Graveworm said:

superlightr said:

Graveworm said:

sevensfun said:

Graveworm said:

3.—(1) No person may, without reasonable excuse, enter or remain within a relevant place without wearing a face covering.
4.—(1) For the purposes of regulation 3(1), the circumstances in which a person (“P”) has a reasonable excuse include those where—
(a)P cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering—
(i)because of any physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability (within the meaning of section 6 of the Equality Act 2010 F1), or
(ii)without severe distress;

Where the defendant to an information or complaint relies for his defence on any exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification, whether or not it accompanies the description of the offence or matter of complaint in the enactment creating the offence or on which the complaint is founded, the burden or proving the exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification shall be on him; and this notwithstanding that the information or complaint contains an allegation negativing the exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification.

How will they prove I don’t find it extremely distressing?

1) Which has what to do with "You can simply decide you have had enough of wearing a mask and that’s why you’re exempt."
2) As above they don't have to prove anything you have to prove that you cannot without severe distress.

hey - unjust and immoral laws deserve to be ignored and gotten around which may include a lie.

Are you going to squeel like a stuck piggy if you see someone without a mask you think should have one? or will you just fume, tut and be rightous under your mask that you are obeying?

So we have moved on from the original made up information to being comfortable with being dishonest to escape the consequences of your actions. It's often also called having the courage of your convictions.
Why would it worry me?
In your world - Who gets to decide if a law is unjust, some think property ownership is unjust can they help themselves to your stuff? You OK with those who point out that age of consent is arbitrary? Most importantly how does it help the cause of justice by being dishonest about your condition?

As a person who used to work in Law - Im very much in favour of law and order, of the rights of people and the processes involved in making laws and our parliament.

Whats happened over the last 18mth has been shocking. Its abhorrent. Its an abomination.
I said it at the start and keep saying it. The laws and regulations are immoral and unjust. They are wrong. They are wrong on such basic levels of human rights that Im saddened that so many cannot see this.

The govt are abusing us, they are coercive, manipulating and have over stepped the mark so badly on so many different levels - it is a duty to anyone who has any sense of basic human rights and liberties to stand up against them.

The same could be said for nearly every other country in the world.

We as in the WHO and the UK had a pandemic plan. It did not involve locking down healthy people.
When the govt saw what China did by having their lockdown our Govt panicked they threw out the window our planned democratic and liberal balanced response to a pandemic.
We copied China. The whole world copied china.
t
I can forgive the first lock down and some panic but not in the last 12 mths and certainly not now.

Edited by superlightr on Monday 28th June 18:52

Edited by superlightr on Monday 28th June 18:54

[sevensfun]

Roman Rhodes said:

Is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour? You don't wear a mask. Clever little you - have a virtual pat on the head. You appear to be the only one getting upset (if you wear a mask). They don't bother me and pointing out that you sound like a petulant child isn't being upset, in fact you're amusing in a 'some mothers do 'ave 'em' kind of way.

Nah, I don't know if i'll be upset as I have never worn one but don't like the idea of it.

[plasticpig]

superlightr said:

We as in the WHO and the UK had a pandemic plan. It did not involve locking down healthy people.
When the govt saw what China did by having their lockdown our Govt panicked they threw out the window our planned democratic and liberal balanced response to a pandemic.
We copied China. The whole world copied china.
t
I can forgive the first lock down and some panic but not in the last 12 mths and certainly not now.

Edited by superlightr on Monday 28th June 18:52

Edited by superlightr on Monday 28th June 18:54

You have obviously never read the WHO "Non-pharmaceutical public health measures for mitigating the risk and impact of epidemic and pandemic influenza" document:

Schools:



Work:



Travel:



Looks pretty much like lockdown to me.

[dave_s13]

Countdown said:

I'm making fun of people who need to pretend that they have some kind of underlying issue that prevents them from wearing a mask. The kind of childish petulant self-entitled behaviour that should be mocked as much as possible.

I don't wear one because I genuinely do not believe they have any positive effect, and I hate wearing one. Wearing one makes me feel anxious as I'm being forced to do something I don't agree with. Which I suppose is some sort of mental health condition, if you wanted to give it a label I'm probably just a massive ahole...I'm happy with that.

Bit still, you carry on thinking I'm the problem, because I think you are part of the problem in your utter willingness to do as your told and be so vociferous about it. Which is the behaviour I'd expect from a child, petulant or not.

And for the record. I believe the vaccine is a benefit, I've had both jabs. I also strongly believe hand hygiene is important, it always has been if you believe the hype the infection control training I've had over the years teaches you. If they kept the sanitising stations in public places I'd be happy with that. An aside but one of the first things I noticed when masks were mandated was that non of the fking cretins that were keen to comply continued to use them. Masks give you some sort of protection from picking your arse, then your nose obviously.

[sevensfun]

dave_s13 said:

I don't wear one because I genuinely do not believe they have any positive effect, and I hate wearing one. Wearing one makes me feel anxious as I'm being forced to do something I don't agree with. Which I suppose is some sort of mental health condition, if you wanted to give it a label I'm probably just a massive ahole...I'm happy with that.

Bit still, you carry on thinking I'm the problem, because I think you are part of the problem in your utter willingness to do as your told and be so vociferous about it. Which is the behaviour I'd expect from a child, petulant or not.

And for the record. I believe the vaccine is a benefit, I've had both jabs. I also strongly believe hand hygiene is important, it always has been if you believe the hype the infection control training I've had over the years teaches you. If they kept the sanitising stations in public places I'd be happy with that. An aside but one of the first things I noticed when masks were mandated was that non of the fking cretins that were keen to comply continued to use them. Masks give you some sort of protection from picking your arse, then your nose obviously.

+1 on all accounts. Also vaccinated.

[bad company]

sevensfun said:

dave_s13 said:

I don't wear one because I genuinely do not believe they have any positive effect, and I hate wearing one. Wearing one makes me feel anxious as I'm being forced to do something I don't agree with. Which I suppose is some sort of mental health condition, if you wanted to give it a label I'm probably just a massive ahole...I'm happy with that.

Bit still, you carry on thinking I'm the problem, because I think you are part of the problem in your utter willingness to do as your told and be so vociferous about it. Which is the behaviour I'd expect from a child, petulant or not.

And for the record. I believe the vaccine is a benefit, I've had both jabs. I also strongly believe hand hygiene is important, it always has been if you believe the hype the infection control training I've had over the years teaches you. If they kept the sanitising stations in public places I'd be happy with that. An aside but one of the first things I noticed when masks were mandated was that non of the fking cretins that were keen to comply continued to use them. Masks give you some sort of protection from picking your arse, then your nose obviously.

+1 on all accounts. Also vaccinated.

+ Another.

[dave_s13]

[redacted]

[Graveworm]

superlightr said:

Alucidnation said:

superlightr said:

Graveworm said:

superlightr said:

Graveworm said:

sevensfun said:

Graveworm said:

3.—(1) No person may, without reasonable excuse, enter or remain within a relevant place without wearing a face covering.
4.—(1) For the purposes of regulation 3(1), the circumstances in which a person (“P”) has a reasonable excuse include those where—
(a)P cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering—
(i)because of any physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability (within the meaning of section 6 of the Equality Act 2010 F1), or
(ii)without severe distress;

Where the defendant to an information or complaint relies for his defence on any exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification, whether or not it accompanies the description of the offence or matter of complaint in the enactment creating the offence or on which the complaint is founded, the burden or proving the exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification shall be on him; and this notwithstanding that the information or complaint contains an allegation negativing the exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification.

How will they prove I don’t find it extremely distressing?

1) Which has what to do with "You can simply decide you have had enough of wearing a mask and that’s why you’re exempt."
2) As above they don't have to prove anything you have to prove that you cannot without severe distress.

hey - unjust and immoral laws deserve to be ignored and gotten around which may include a lie.

Are you going to squeel like a stuck piggy if you see someone without a mask you think should have one? or will you just fume, tut and be rightous under your mask that you are obeying?

So we have moved on from the original made up information to being comfortable with being dishonest to escape the consequences of your actions. It's often also called having the courage of your convictions.
Why would it worry me?
In your world - Who gets to decide if a law is unjust, some think property ownership is unjust can they help themselves to your stuff? You OK with those who point out that age of consent is arbitrary? Most importantly how does it help the cause of justice by being dishonest about your condition?

As a person who used to work in Law - Im very much in favour of law and order, of the rights of people and the processes involved in making laws and our parliament.

Whats happened over the last 18mth has been shocking. Its abhorrent. Its an abomination.
I said it at the start and keep saying it. The laws and regulations are immoral and unjust. They are wrong. They are wrong on such basic levels of human rights that Im saddened that so many cannot see this.

The govt are abusing us, they are coercive, manipulating and have over stepped the mark so badly on so many different levels - it is a duty to anyone who has any sense of basic human rights and liberties to stand up against them.

The same could be said for nearly every other country in the world.

We as in the WHO and the UK had a pandemic plan. It did not involve locking down healthy people.
When the govt saw what China did by having their lockdown our Govt panicked they threw out the window our planned democratic and liberal balanced response to a pandemic.
We copied China. The whole world copied china.
t
I can forgive the first lock down and some panic but not in the last 12 mths and certainly not now.

Edited by superlightr on Monday 28th June 18:52

Edited by superlightr on Monday 28th June 18:54

The extant WHO pandemic plan since 2004 after SARS 1 did involve consideration of social distancing and (Actually relevant to this topic) mask wearing.

[Countdown]

dave_s13 said:

Countdown said:

I'm making fun of people who need to pretend that they have some kind of underlying issue that prevents them from wearing a mask. The kind of childish petulant self-entitled behaviour that should be mocked as much as possible.

I don't wear one because I genuinely do not believe they have any positive effect, and I hate wearing one. Wearing one makes me feel anxious as I'm being forced to do something I don't agree with. Which I suppose is some sort of mental health condition, if you wanted to give it a label I'm probably just a massive ahole...I'm happy with that.

Bit still, you carry on thinking I'm the problem, because I think you are part of the problem in your utter willingness to do as your told and be so vociferous about it. Which is the behaviour I'd expect from a child, petulant or not.

You've clearly never had children. It's rare that they're willing to do something they don't want to do and the badly brought-up ones will thcweam and thcweam and thcweam until they get their way - exactly the type of behaviour being displayed by the anti-maskers.

If you're happy with being labelled an ahole then that's absolutely fine, you've got nothing to worry about as that's probably what most people will be assuming when they see you without a mask.

[sevensfun]

Countdown said:

You've clearly never had children. It's rare that they're willing to do something they don't want to do and the badly brought-up ones will thcweam and thcweam and thcweam until they get their way - exactly the type of behaviour being displayed by the anti-maskers.

If you're happy with being labelled an ahole then that's absolutely fine, you've got nothing to worry about as that's probably what most people will be assuming when they see you without a mask.

Same goes for the muzzle lovers.

[Graveworm]

sevensfun said:

Countdown said:

You've clearly never had children. It's rare that they're willing to do something they don't want to do and the badly brought-up ones will thcweam and thcweam and thcweam until they get their way - exactly the type of behaviour being displayed by the anti-maskers.

If you're happy with being labelled an ahole then that's absolutely fine, you've got nothing to worry about as that's probably what most people will be assuming when they see you without a mask.

Same goes for the muzzle lovers.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/health/articles-reports/2021/05/25/two-thirds-britons-plan-keep-wearing-masks-summer-

[Iminquarantine]

superlightr said:

As a person who used to work in Law - Im very much in favour of law and order, of the rights of people and the processes involved in making laws and our parliament.

Whats happened over the last 18mth has been shocking. Its abhorrent. Its an abomination.
I said it at the start and keep saying it. The laws and regulations are immoral and unjust. They are wrong. They are wrong on such basic levels of human rights that Im saddened that so many cannot see this.

The govt are abusing us, they are coercive, manipulating and have over stepped the mark so badly on so many different levels - it is a duty to anyone who has any sense of basic human rights and liberties to stand up against them.

Why don’t you stand up to The Man, refuse vaccinations, refuse masks, catch Covid19 and end up in intensive care? Stick it to The Man.

[dave_s13]

Countdown said:

You've clearly never had children. It's rare that they're willing to do something they don't want to do and the badly brought-up ones will thcweam and thcweam and thcweam until they get their way - exactly the type of behaviour being displayed by the anti-maskers.

If you're happy with being labelled an ahole then that's absolutely fine, you've got nothing to worry about as that's probably what most people will be assuming when they see you without a mask.

I've got 3 under 13 you pillock. I'm biased but they are generally very polite, well behaved and gebrally a joy to spend time with.

[Iminquarantine]

Countdown said:

You've clearly never had children. It's rare that they're willing to do something they don't want to do and the badly brought-up ones will thcweam and thcweam and thcweam until they get their way - exactly the type of behaviour being displayed by the anti-maskers.

If you're happy with being labelled an ahole then that's absolutely fine, you've got nothing to worry about as that's probably what most people will be assuming when they see you without a mask.

Yeah, pretty much. Asshole, anti vaxxer, general fruitcake. There are some people who genuinely cannot wear masks, but almost always, it’s just a sign of being a wker. wker in many ways, the lack of a mask just makes it more obvious.