60 mph motorways
Discussion
Not only 60 mph speed limits, but some will have 40mph limits.
https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/5467/60mph-motorway-...
It says temporary, but that's like saying a new tax is temporary
https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/5467/60mph-motorway-...
It says temporary, but that's like saying a new tax is temporary
So...... if it is purely to reduce local air pollution shouldn't pure electric vehicles still be allowed to drive at 70? We already have different speed limits for different classes of vehicles.
What a great way for a Government to lever us into electric cars, if it is genuinely about pollution.
What a great way for a Government to lever us into electric cars, if it is genuinely about pollution.
I think the country should be pulling all the levers possible, and bringing all hands to the pumps, to mitigate the effects of a global pandemic, and leaving the EU.
I appreciate that EVs needs replace ICE in the longer term but IMO any legislation that might limit the pace of economic recovery should be shelved in the short term.
I appreciate that EVs needs replace ICE in the longer term but IMO any legislation that might limit the pace of economic recovery should be shelved in the short term.
Always suspected this was done to make electric cars more attractive as it increases their range and will have us all thinking 'well, I might as well buy electric then' seeing as fast and powerful petrol cars make less and less sense?
If our speed limit is 60 mph (or less) then a tiny electric car with a top speed of 70 mph but now a range of 200-300 miles (and priced decently) has got all the free advertising it needs.
Eventually, we will all throw in the towel.
This is the start.
If our speed limit is 60 mph (or less) then a tiny electric car with a top speed of 70 mph but now a range of 200-300 miles (and priced decently) has got all the free advertising it needs.
Eventually, we will all throw in the towel.
This is the start.
NMNeil said:
Not only 60 mph speed limits, but some will have 40mph limits.
https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/5467/60mph-motorway-...
It says temporary, but that's like saying a new tax is temporary
Ah yes Car Wow, that well known reliable source of updates and correct motoring news. i wonder if thats the same car wow that joined in on the bandwagon of zero tolerance speed limits on motorways a couple of years agohttps://www.carwow.co.uk/news/5467/60mph-motorway-...
It says temporary, but that's like saying a new tax is temporary
I do wonder if it's that hard to distinguish between real news and click bait
martinbiz said:
Ah yes Car Wow, that well known reliable source of updates and correct motoring news. i wonder if thats the same car wow that joined in on the bandwagon of zero tolerance speed limits on motorways a couple of years ago
I do wonder if it's that hard to distinguish between real news and click bait
Same click bait garbage from all these unreliable sources too I do wonder if it's that hard to distinguish between real news and click bait
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/motorway-spe...
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news-e...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/19/motorw...
https://londragazete.com/english/230046/motorway-s...
https://network-bussiness.com/2021/07/20/motorway-...
I’m yet to be convinced that I can travel any quicker from A to B on a 70mph limit motorway than I can on a 60mph limited one, other than during very quiet times. And plainly, by their very emptiness, we don’t use motorways much at quiet times.
Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
bigothunter said:
"In some instances, the limits are even lower, with a portion of the M621 already being limited to 50mph while a section of the M32 has a 40mph limit."
Never believed I would see 40mph limit on a perfectly good motorway. Just how low can you go? 30mph, 20 even?
The m32 section that’s 40 is barely even a motorway though, it’s about a mile of 2 lane section over a bridge and it’s always so congested you’ll lucky to be able to do 40 along it, it’s also got a bus lane on it with average speed cameras Never believed I would see 40mph limit on a perfectly good motorway. Just how low can you go? 30mph, 20 even?
oyster said:
I’m yet to be convinced that I can travel any quicker from A to B on a 70mph limit motorway than I can on a 60mph limited one, other than during very quiet times. And plainly, by their very emptiness, we don’t use motorways much at quiet times.
Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
And that's the truth.Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
vonhosen said:
oyster said:
I’m yet to be convinced that I can travel any quicker from A to B on a 70mph limit motorway than I can on a 60mph limited one, other than during very quiet times. And plainly, by their very emptiness, we don’t use motorways much at quiet times.
Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
And that's the truth.Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
bigothunter said:
vonhosen said:
oyster said:
I’m yet to be convinced that I can travel any quicker from A to B on a 70mph limit motorway than I can on a 60mph limited one, other than during very quiet times. And plainly, by their very emptiness, we don’t use motorways much at quiet times.
Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
And that's the truth.Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
Motorways are not enthusiast roads.
Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 24th July 13:30
NMNeil said:
Not only 60 mph speed limits, but some will have 40mph limits.
https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/5467/60mph-motorway-...
It says temporary, but that's like saying a new tax is temporary
Well, I guess the question is, what would be your quick solution for reducing local air pollution instead?https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/5467/60mph-motorway-...
It says temporary, but that's like saying a new tax is temporary
Do you have a better idea?
vonhosen said:
bigothunter said:
vonhosen said:
oyster said:
I’m yet to be convinced that I can travel any quicker from A to B on a 70mph limit motorway than I can on a 60mph limited one, other than during very quiet times. And plainly, by their very emptiness, we don’t use motorways much at quiet times.
Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
And that's the truth.Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
Do you ever travel on motorways at night when traffic is light? Would you be happy with 60 mph limit under these conditions?
bigothunter said:
vonhosen said:
bigothunter said:
vonhosen said:
oyster said:
I’m yet to be convinced that I can travel any quicker from A to B on a 70mph limit motorway than I can on a 60mph limited one, other than during very quiet times. And plainly, by their very emptiness, we don’t use motorways much at quiet times.
Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
And that's the truth.Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
Do you ever travel on motorways at night when traffic is light? Would you be happy with 60 mph limit under these conditions?
I've said before, that for it to make a worthwhile difference it needs to be a large change & whilst I'd love to be driving on roads without a speed limit it's not a realistic prospect. That's because it's not about my own personal desires/wishes. The government has to strike a balance (& communicate it through it's policies) that looks at all wishes & considerations.
vonhosen said:
Motorways are not enthusiast roads.
Motorways were intended to provide a fast nationwide road network. They fail to fulfill their design purpose. Lowering speed limits relegates the car to third class transport, unable to compete with trains or aircraft.As a car enthusiast, I do not believe this trend is desirable.
There is pleasure and satisfaction in travelling long distances quickly and efficiently by car, even for the enthusiast. I prefer race circuits for pure driving pleasure, as I did at Cadwell Park on Thursday
bigothunter said:
vonhosen said:
Motorways are not enthusiast roads.
Motorways were intended to provide a fast nationwide road network. They fail to fulfill their design purpose. Lowering speed limits relegates the car to third class transport, unable to compete with trains or aircraft.As a car enthusiast, I do not believe this trend is desirable.
There is pleasure and satisfaction in travelling long distances quickly and efficiently by car, even for the enthusiast. I prefer race circuits for pure driving pleasure, as I did at Cadwell Park on Thursday
If I want to enjoy myself I'll come off the motorway & take the back roads.
If I want to merely get to the end quicker I'll take the motorway.
As I said, policy is dictated by more than simply fast, there are often competing considerations for governments & they have to strike a balance for all of them & not just focus on one that an enthusiast might. They've had limits imposed on them for most of their life.
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