Mandatory Speed Limiters from 6th July 2022

[rjfp1962]

Apologies if there is a thread already for this because the story has been around a while.
Even though the UK has left the EU it appears we'll adopt this measure too.
The system has an overide function (Flooring It!), but won't there be a data-collection programme inside the limiter if you decide to ignore it..?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/news/mandator...

[AJL308]

rjfp1962 said:

Apologies if there is a thread already for this because the story has been around a while.
Even though the UK has left the EU it appears we'll adopt this measure too.
The system has an overide function (Flooring It!), but won't there be a data-collection programme inside the limiter if you decide to ignore it..?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/news/mandator...

However, if you try to exceed your car’s top speed, it can be dangerous and illegal if you cross the legal UK speed limits.

Honestly, who the fk do they employ to write this stuff - five year-olds??

On the wider picture, I predicted this years and years ago on some now defunct discussion board (the No10 board, or something) and was roundly lambasted and ridiculed for it. It was, though, blatantly obvious that it was going to happen sooner or later.

[.:ian:.]

Good news, no longer need to worry about speed limits, just foot to the floor all day and let the electronics sort it out.

tfa said:

However, many cars have a top speed of over 70 mph

Many? I'd wager close to 100%

[Dogwatch]

Few modern cars can’t get to 70, very, very few. Older cars struggle a bit, well mine do!

I’ve always wondered about cars ten years or more older than mine thrashing past on the motorway no matter what speed I’m doing. Do they get to their destination?

[Jim1556]

Plenty of cars from the 80s, 90s will do well over a ton, comfortably. Not many since 2000 can't do 100+

[Monkeylegend]

But you will also be limited to 20 in a 20 zone.

[The Don of Croy]

Isn’t this inevitable?

[M4cruiser]

Monkeylegend said:

But you will also be limited to 20 in a 20 zone.

Problem is the cars can't always work out what the limit is.
Driving round a major town yesterday in southern England, the Fiesta (2019 model) thought a 40 was a 60; it's been 40 for a long time there. There is also a 40 that's been temporarily wiped out down to 30, and the Fiesta still thinks it's 40.

[M4cruiser]

Dogwatch said:

I’ve always wondered about cars ten years or more older than mine thrashing past on the motorway no matter what speed I’m doing. Do they get to their destination?

Your general drift is correct - my old cars struggle at 70. I have longevity in mind (both for me and the car) when I refuse to push the gas pedal to the floor, it just doesn't seem right on an old car. So I'm happy to cruise along at 60 to 65mph, getting overtaken by a lot. I go slower up motorway hills, and a bit faster down hill.

i do get a warm glow every time I see something broken down on the hard shoulder.

[randlemarcus]

Limit information is down to the local authorities or Highways England/Scotland to inform. fk all chance of that going well.

[Monkeylegend]

M4cruiser said:

Monkeylegend said:

But you will also be limited to 20 in a 20 zone.

Problem is the cars can't always work out what the limit is.
Driving round a major town yesterday in southern England, the Fiesta (2019 model) thought a 40 was a 60; it's been 40 for a long time there. There is also a 40 that's been temporarily wiped out down to 30, and the Fiesta still thinks it's 40.

The worst bit will be the car slowing down when it doesn't need to if the system doesn't have the correct limits built in. Think of the grief you will get from following drivers.

Better get prepared for more road rage and headlight flashing.

[CoolHands]

Where will they get the info from? Can someone hack it and input lots of stupid values (I have no idea)? That would be a target if I was a young hacker

[martinbiz]

Monkeylegend said:

M4cruiser said:

Monkeylegend said:

But you will also be limited to 20 in a 20 zone.

Problem is the cars can't always work out what the limit is.
Driving round a major town yesterday in southern England, the Fiesta (2019 model) thought a 40 was a 60; it's been 40 for a long time there. There is also a 40 that's been temporarily wiped out down to 30, and the Fiesta still thinks it's 40.

The worst bit will be the car slowing down when it doesn't need to if the system doesn't have the correct limits built in. Think of the grief you will get from following drivers.

Better get prepared for more road rage and headlight flashing.

And where does it say any of that, just the sort of people they want to get to, clickbait believers who embelish the story a little bit with each telling until it bares no resembelance to the original

[martinbiz]

AJL308 said:

rjfp1962 said:

Apologies if there is a thread already for this because the story has been around a while.
Even though the UK has left the EU it appears we'll adopt this measure too.
The system has an overide function (Flooring It!), but won't there be a data-collection programme inside the limiter if you decide to ignore it..?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/news/mandator...

However, if you try to exceed your car’s top speed, it can be dangerous and illegal if you cross the legal UK speed limits.

Honestly, who the fk do they employ to write this stuff - five year-olds??

On the wider picture, I predicted this years and years ago on some now defunct discussion board (the No10 board, or something) and was roundly lambasted and ridiculed for it. It was, though, blatantly obvious that it was going to happen sooner or later.

Story been around for last few years, from one of the worst purveyors of crap tabloid motoring journalism, in the past they have posted speeding fine guide that might have come from a Grimms fairy tail book, a big splash about the end of speeding tolerance guidlines on motorways and so it goes on. Just ignore.
Speed limiters are likely to be fitted from 2022 and if you don't want to use it turn it off

Edited by martinbiz on Thursday 12th August 22:31

[NMNeil]

CoolHands said:

Where will they get the info from? Can someone hack it and input lots of stupid values (I have no idea)? That would be a target if I was a young hacker

Hacking will be nigh on impossible as the chips used will brick the moment they are tampered with.
I don't know who will be making the chips but I'm sure they will be like this:
https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/security-s...
But the ISA system is only one part of the puzzle.
There's V2V
https://www.verizonconnect.com/uk/resources/articl...
and you may already have eCall in your car as we speak.
https://www.bapco.org.uk/what-we-do/e-call/
That's a lot of data transmission, so just join the dots.

[Welshbeef]

When this does come into play - has anyone worked out what £ holes will be left in all the countries councils annual revenue (that they use to fund other things).


A bit like how do we plug the revenue gap when fuel duty ends/EVs only.

[Pistonheader101]

Awesome can’t wait. My car is already limited to 155mph.

[efcgriswold]

Welshbeef said:

When this does come into play - has anyone worked out what £ holes will be left in all the countries councils annual revenue (that they use to fund other things).


A bit like how do we plug the revenue gap when fuel duty ends/EVs only.

We were discussing this today. It’ll get to the point where they have to tax water and bread or similar. Everyone won’t use a car so hammering the cost of electricity will be difficult. My other thought was the cost of the car will increase to cover the lost revenue through its lifetime. However, that may well run into an additional 10k on the cost of the vehicle. Interesting to see how we will be screwed over in the future.

[aeytr5]

Is it just me, or has every journalist and most people reading this crap blown it WAY out of proportion?

As far as I can see, that says the cars will have to have a technology which most new cars have had for the past few years. A system which you can legally and easily disengage... it literally just gives you a warning when reaching the speed limit. Everyone is saying 'oh but my car thinks a 40 is a 60'... and?! It doesn't mean you have to go 60? Just means that you, yourself, have to be aware of the speed limit. Just as humans have managed for a hundred years.

[gazza285]

Dogwatch said:

Few modern cars can’t get to 70, very, very few. Older cars struggle a bit, well mine do!

I’ve always wondered about cars ten years or more older than mine thrashing past on the motorway no matter what speed I’m doing. Do they get to their destination?

Has there been a car made in the last fifty years that cannot exceed 70?