Fuming Range Rover owner!

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PorkInsider

5,877 posts

140 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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SmithCorona said:
I can do 15k a year easily in my fatty...
Err... your what?

AdeTuono

7,240 posts

226 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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PorkInsider said:
SmithCorona said:
I can do 15k a year easily in my fatty...
Err... your what?
I think he means in his head.

He's also expressing wonderment that his car can actually do exactly what it's supposed to do. Just like all cars can.

Saweep

6,593 posts

185 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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AdeTuono said:
I think he means in his head.

He's also expressing wonderment that his car can actually do exactly what it's supposed to do. Just like all cars can.
It's a RR phenomena only.

I get it; I came from Bentley Bentaygas into a RR. The RR makes you feel as good to drive as a more expensive car like the Bentley and none of the "lesser" SUVS like X5 etc can match that. The size, the high driving position etc. When they work they're magnificent.

So if the choice is between a car that makes people feel good that doesn't really work, and one that works but leaves them emotionally cold, they will invent all sorts of stories as to why it's acceptable for you car to spend a month in the shop to have a fuse changed etc.

I've had enough. This 3 month experiment is over. I can't live like this biggrin


SmithCorona

581 posts

28 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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AdeTuono said:
PorkInsider said:
SmithCorona said:
I can do 15k a year easily in my fatty...
Err... your what?
I think he means in his head.

He's also expressing wonderment that his car can actually do exactly what it's supposed to do. Just like all cars can.
What are you on about?

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Come on, tell us which LR-specific-not-found-on-a-Lexus-etc magic parts break to require 2k a month spend?

I suspect the reason you won't is because other brands do the same but they don't break every year, but please prove me wrong.

SmithCorona

581 posts

28 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Go back and read my posts; you have obviously misinterpreted them.

I said they require a couple of grand a year to keep running well. I also said that this is not extortionate given the purchase price and weight of the vehicle. And is no different to spending 400quid on a civic per year.

To help - over five years, of average use I outlined c.7k of fixed normal costs (I.e. servicing, brakes, fluids etc.).

Then I said that MD Labour rates are c. 200 p/h so one or two issues outside of warranty would add up. Or you can get the warranty for 1k per year. One of two minor issues in years four and five with a car is not unreasonable.

Ergo a couple of grand a year on average to keep in good condition.

AdeTuono

7,240 posts

226 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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SmithCorona said:
AdeTuono said:
PorkInsider said:
SmithCorona said:
I can do 15k a year easily in my fatty...
Err... your what?
I think he means in his head.

He's also expressing wonderment that his car can actually do exactly what it's supposed to do. Just like all cars can.
What are you on about?

I was trying to explain your odd 'I can do 15k a year easily in my fatty...' comment to PorkInsider.

Did I mis-interpret?

SmithCorona

581 posts

28 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Yep. You did.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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SmithCorona said:
Go back and read my posts; you have obviously misinterpreted them.

I said they require a couple of grand a year to keep running well. I also said that this is not extortionate given the purchase price and weight of the vehicle. And is no different to spending 400quid on a civic per year.

To help - over five years, of average use I outlined c.7k of fixed normal costs (I.e. servicing, brakes, fluids etc.).

Then I said that MD Labour rates are c. 200 p/h so one or two issues outside of warranty would add up. Or you can get the warranty for 1k per year. One of two minor issues in years four and five with a car is not unreasonable.

Ergo a couple of grand a year on average to keep in good condition.
That's not really what you said though is it, you indicated that it takes a couple of grand a year to fix the non-mechanical issues that arise, and that the FFRR has so much special tech in it that it is inevitable that it will be unreliable compared to other vehicles, I'd just like to know what tech that is that other manufacturers dont have and have comparatively reliably.

SmithCorona said:
My point was that LR take a kicking in reliability surveys due to tech/elec INOPs - but an FFRR is filled with the stuff - comparing then with an average vehicle isn't valid.

Mine have always been reliable where and when it matters- tech or electrics going awol is not material.

havoc

29,918 posts

234 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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scratchchin

Why don't Lexus have tech issues?!? biggrin

lrdisco

1,441 posts

86 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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I’ve had 2 nearly new and 1 new LR. No real issues.
My Volvo V90 has been in to the dealers twice in 2 years.
Citroen C3 faultless for 2 years.
MB Vito van has multiple electrical faults.
3 x BMW all faultless.
One man’s car maybe a lemon the next a peach. Cars though are getting so much more reliable in my opinion.

SmithCorona

581 posts

28 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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JimSuperSix said:

That's not really what you said though is it, you indicated that it takes a couple of grand a year to fix the non-mechanical issues that arise, and that the FFRR has so much special tech in it that it is inevitable that it will be unreliable compared to other vehicles, I'd just like to know what tech that is that other manufacturers dont have and have comparatively reliably.
No I didn't. What I have said is clear and I have repeated it a number of times in this thread.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove, its as if you are seeking an arguement. It would be more helpful if you went and bought one, ran it for five years and then reported back with actual observable evidence.

Also, there are many things I can think of that LR have that aren't on a Lexus - I don't understand how this is particularly relevant. Frequency of failiure obviously increases when presented with an increased volume of things that can fail, that is basic probability.

I'm not going to engage with you on this anymore.

mattyprice4004

1,327 posts

173 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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AdeTuono said:

I was trying to explain your odd 'I can do 15k a year easily in my fatty...' comment to PorkInsider.

Did I mis-interpret?
I think 'fatty' must be some kind of slang for a Range Rooney, but I could be mistaken!

rxe

6,700 posts

102 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Torquey said:
Yes. Absolutely. Pretty much every single car I've owned. I wouldn't expect anything less. And none of them have been a JLR.
Same here, and I drive Alfa-Romeos. 156 V6, bought nearly new, simply needed servicing (including an expensive cam belt). It needed suspension work after 6 years. The only time it ever broke down was when the radiator hose failed at about 15 years old. A 159 2.4 that I bought for Mrs rxe, did 5 years without needing anything other than servicing, and that had 40K on the clock when I bought it.


Tomanybikes

987 posts

25 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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JimSuperSix said:
your points are not really relevant unless the surveys biases towards or limits itself to certain brand,s which i dont think they do. eg the fact that people who have experienced issues are more likely to respond applies to all brands, not just one.

would still like to know what on a FFRR costs 2k a year to keep going that other brands dont use or make reliably?

Edited by JimSuperSix on Sunday 15th May 20:38
All cars need maintenance but a £100k car cost more than a £15k car to service and wear and tear items, tyres for one will be £1k for the RR and possibly less than £50 a corner in a small city car.
Labour rate is another with £90 an hour for non premium makes and up to £200 for LR.
If you can’t see why a £100k car needs more money in upkeep than a cheap one then they are probably not for you!

Edited by Tomanybikes on Monday 16th May 21:46

OutInTheShed

7,357 posts

25 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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mattyprice4004 said:
I think 'fatty' must be some kind of slang for a Range Rooney, but I could be mistaken!
Is that like a Mange Mover?

PorkInsider

5,877 posts

140 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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OutInTheShed said:
mattyprice4004 said:
I think 'fatty' must be some kind of slang for a Range Rooney, but I could be mistaken!
Is that like a Mange Mover?
Who knows.

I really can't get my head around "fatty" as slang for a car, though?



OutInTheShed

7,357 posts

25 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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PorkInsider said:
Who knows.

I really can't get my head around "fatty" as slang for a car, though?
Urban dictionary doesn't help much in this case!

I tend to think of them as 'LardRovers'

Cold

15,207 posts

89 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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PorkInsider said:
OutInTheShed said:
mattyprice4004 said:
I think 'fatty' must be some kind of slang for a Range Rooney, but I could be mistaken!
Is that like a Mange Mover?
Who knows.

I really can't get my head around "fatty" as slang for a car, though?
Well, hold on to your hat as the explanation will blow your mind.

The Range Rover is commonly, but needlessly, referred to as "Full Fat Range Rover" as a colloquialism.

This is to differentiate it from its smaller brothers and sisters who have their own factory issued add-on identifiers such as "Sport", "Velar" or even "Evoque".

It was initially used around 2005 when the first generation of Range Rover Sport reached the markets and uses the public's familiarity of the various common types of milk available to suggest the implied hierarchy.

Some well known shortening of Full Fat Range Rover is FFRR, or just FF. So someone who is familiar with the brand may well use Fatty as an affectionate moniker.

Wait, you actually knew all of that and were just labouring a point? Well, how very PH.

KarlMac

4,456 posts

140 months

Tuesday 17th May 2022
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mattyprice4004 said:
AdeTuono said:

I was trying to explain your odd 'I can do 15k a year easily in my fatty...' comment to PorkInsider.

Did I mis-interpret?
I think 'fatty' must be some kind of slang for a Range Rooney, but I could be mistaken!
The ‘One Life, Live It’ / ‘Overlander’ oddballs refer to them as ‘Full Fat Range Rovers’ or FFRR. Not sure why but I assume it’s come from that. Probably some social hierarchy when dealing with lowly disco or freelander owners.