Mandatory anti-tailgate technology after EU ruling

[bigothunter]

Automatic emergency braking (AEB) becomes compulsory by law for all new cars across mainland Europe and Northern Ireland from July 6. AEB automatically slows down or stops a vehicle if its driver fails to respond to the threat of collision. So another step along the road to autonomy.

Is this 'safety measure' good or bad ?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/new-cars-to-be...


nb Yesterday's article but this has undoubtedly been lurking for some time amongst the range of EU motoring legislation.

Can't find an existing thread on this topic but there could be

[devnull]

As ever it depends on the implementation.

The AEB in my wife’s Skoda Karoq triggers false positives move often than not - only the initial red dashboard warning so far in normal driving but has kicked in a lot when reversing towards foliage.

[Armchair_Expert]

The system is downright dangerous and regularly misunderstands parked cars, passing wildlife and angles of approach.

Awful idea.

[bigothunter]

Armchair_Expert said:

The system is downright dangerous and regularly misunderstands parked cars, passing wildlife and angles of approach.

Awful idea.

Mandatory AEB can still be switched off after starting the engine. But default is switched on and most drivers won't interfere.

Seems fun time is coming

[Armchair_Expert]

bigothunter said:

Mandatory AEB can still be switched off after starting the engine. But default is switched on and most drivers won't interfere.

Seems fun time is coming

Not always easy to find though. Mrs Experts Kuga has that f---ing lane change vibration fight the wheel thing, I haver to manually disable it every time and it's deep within a menu.

[bigothunter]

Armchair_Expert said:

Not always easy to find though. Mrs Experts Kuga has that f---ing lane change vibration fight the wheel thing, I haver to manually disable it every time and it's deep within a menu.

Because legislators don't want you to turn it off.

And on the next generation, you won't be able to

[Armchair_Expert]

Lane assist won't be un turn off able. It is too unsafe.

[bigothunter]

Armchair_Expert said:

Lane assist won't be un turn off able. It is too unsafe.

Even though nanny knows best?

[QuickQuack]

There's one set of bollards on a curved section of road which triggers every alarm and abruptly slams the brakes on in Mrs QQ's car. Every. Single. Time. Mine obviously uses a different technology because I sail past without any issues. Range Rover 1 BMW 0.

[ChocolateFrog]

So what are the likes of Dacia doing? Or does it only apply to newly designed vehicles and not just new vehicles at point of sale.

The system in my ID3 is utterly useless. It slammed the brakes on the first time I tried to take the car off the drive and picks up parked cars in the road, which is moderately alarming.

[Craig W]

On the one hand it would seem to improve safety for these vehicles. I'm not sure it is anti-tailgating as much as a further drive for autonomy which would undoubtedly make the roads safer, at the expense of the joy of most of us on here.

On the other it could cause problems when there is a mix of vehicles with and without. If a vehicle with this technology decides it is time to engage this when it isn't necessary and there is a car behind following it relying on human reactions there could be some accidents that wouldn't have happened.

[Derek Smith]

I have it on my VW cruise control. The gap it leaves is such that I keep having cars pull into the gap I leave, meaning my car slows, frightening the life out of the driver behind. In fact, it's got to the stage where I now disengage CC when I realised someone's going to confuse the damn thing. I mean, I end up going backwards in top gear.

[bigothunter]

ChocolateFrog said:

The system in my ID3 is utterly useless. It slammed the brakes on the first time I tried to take the car off the drive and picks up parked cars in the road, which is moderately alarming.

Technology ready to be made mandatory - couldn't make it up

[KTMsm]

Craig W said:

On the one hand it would seem to improve safety for these vehicles. I'm not sure it is anti-tailgating as much as a further drive for autonomy which would undoubtedly make the roads safer, at the expense of the joy of most of us on here.

On the other it could cause problems when there is a mix of vehicles with and without. If a vehicle with this technology decides it is time to engage this when it isn't necessary and there is a car behind following it relying on human reactions there could be some accidents that wouldn't have happened.

As I have pointed out before - following idiots who brake on wet corners when my cars / bikes don't have any aids

You can only leave so much gap at 60mph which is quickly diminished if they brake to 30

[r3g]

Hope it works better on cars than it does on trucks. It is fking ste and incredibly dangerous. 4 completely different DAF artics I drive have it (AEBS) and for reasons completely unknown, the bridge on the M61 southbound at the top of the hill before Bolton services slams the brakes on just before you go underneath it, for no reason whatsoever. They've been into DAF umpteen times about it, no fault found, working fine!

We can switch it off, but they say if we have any kind of accident regardless of blame, we'll be deemed to be at fault for switching it off. Yeah...

Always slams on when you have a car in front of you that's peeled off onto a slip road exit on a dual carriageway. The car is long since out of the way and no hazard whatsoever, but the AEBS thinks you're about to ram into the back of it.

Edited by r3g on Thursday 23 June 22:33

[texaxile]

Armchair_Expert said:

The system is downright dangerous and regularly misunderstands parked cars, passing wildlife and angles of approach.

Awful idea.

Totally agree. Our leased (and thankfully returned- hateful thing ) Mazda CX5 used to put me through the windscreen when the angle of sun reflected from the window of the car in front. Drivers behind me probably (and correctly) thought I was a muppet for hitting the brakes so hard.

[KTMsm]

dibbers006 said:

Are we not breeding a bunch of fkwits with this stuff.

Like never allowing your kids to fall over, burn themselves, tt each other with sticks. When they grow large enough to do real damage, if the lessons haven't been learned, all the mollycoddling created a much more egregious issue than if we'd never nannied at all.

I suspect every generation think that about the next

But in car terms I suspect people in their 50's were likely the last to learn in low powered RWD cars with no aids

I learnt about losing grip in a 45bhp Escort with IIRC 155 13" tyres so it was all very controllable, even to a 17 yr old - not so much in a modern BMW so when it does go wrong, it really goes wrong

[PurplePangolin]

KTMsm said:

dibbers006 said:

Are we not breeding a bunch of fkwits with this stuff.

Like never allowing your kids to fall over, burn themselves, tt each other with sticks. When they grow large enough to do real damage, if the lessons haven't been learned, all the mollycoddling created a much more egregious issue than if we'd never nannied at all.

I suspect every generation think that about the next

But in car terms I suspect people in their 50's were likely the last to learn in low powered RWD cars with no aids

I learnt about losing grip in a 45bhp Escort with IIRC 155 13" tyres so it was all very controllable, even to a 17 yr old - not so much in a modern BMW so when it does go wrong, it really goes wrong

Don’t worry - we will have autonomous cars soon so the youth of tomorrow won’t have to bother their little heads with actually driving a car.

Perhaps we should go back to lightweight low powered cars?

[bigothunter]

AEB malfunction was subject to litigation in the States. America today, Europe tomorrow?

Lawyers said:

Back in the summer of 2020, a group of vehicle owners filed a federal class action lawsuit right here in the Bay Area. The lawsuit alleged that the automatic emergency braking systems on certain Audi and Volkswagen vehicles had a defect that caused the system to engage randomly, unexpectedly, and at the wrong time. A few weeks later, plaintiffs launched a similar federal class action in New Jersey regarding Subaru vehicles. In the fall of 2019, another federal class action — this one in Tennessee — made similar allegations about the emergency braking technology on certain Nissan vehicles.

There are a handful of ways that you can be hurt because of a faulty automatic braking system.


https://www.dongaline.com/how-automatic-emergency-...

[ruggedscotty]

There’s a presumption that the rear driver is to blame for a rear-end accident, but that presumption can be overcome. If a driver brakes very abruptly without a reasonable cause for doing so (like braking suddenly and totally in the middle of an open road with no traffic or traffic signals nearby) and a rear-end collision ensues, the lead driver may actually be the one who’s to blame.

Actually it would be very difficult to prove. and thats the thing. its always the one the drives into the other car to blame. unless they reverse into the other car...