Police enquiry at home

[vonhosen]

Bigends said:

vonhosen said:

yellowjack said:

Greendubber said:

monthou said:

Greendubber said:

As previously mentioned, maybe he had a busy shift and it slipped his mind, we don't know but it's easier to just say how crap it all is rather than thinking of the bigger picture I suppose.

From the OP...
"The person on duty managed to radio through to the officer involved and then passed on to me they were just about to finish their shift but had my number and would be in contact when they were back on duty in a weeks time! When I asked what it was in relation to I was told they couldn’t tell me but it was nothing to worry about!."

So no.

So yes, about to finish a night shift and wanting to go home. The officer would have finished at 7.00am, onto their days off. I'd be out the door too.

What's unreasonable about being told they'll speak to the OP when they're back on duty? Nothing, they've been told it's nothing to worry about so why think it's anything other than that?

So you've been in to your GP surgery for an investigation into worrying medical symptoms. You saw Dr Smith who told you he'd ring you back. Someone calls you, but you don't pick up. They leave a message, no details, just the surgery contact number. You get worried, call them back, and get put through to Dr Jones. But she can't help you because "Dr Smith is dealing with that, but he's in the Maldives for fortnight. It's probably nothing, though so don't worry..." You're OK with this, I presume?

As others have been saying. If it is urgent, then by all means knock, and if you won't be there when the householder quite reasonably calls back, pass the job, or an explanation of why you called, to another officer to allay fears. If it is not urgent, then don't knock doors after dark, and definitely don't start a job you know you can't finish before your leave starts. Be considerate. And for a police officer that shouldn't be difficult to define, given that they can use the law to bring charges for a number of offences where a miscreant's behaviour is defined as "inconsiderate".

This could have all happened during the day, non urgent enquiry, OP not in, note left & then officer off for two weeks when OP tries to get back to him.
It's a totally separate issue as to whether midnight is an acceptable time to call or not (& after dark can mean 4.30pm at some times of the year).
If you're worried about somebody not answering when you make a non urgent enquiry, then you'd never knock on a door for a non urgent enquiry.

Perhaps if the note had emphasised -apologies for the late call the matters not urgent - heres my email address / contact number. I'm away until **** date after which i'll get back to you. I the meantime, my supervisor is**** and can be contacted on *** if you have any concerns.

Not difficult really is it?? Perhaps leave details of the second officer present who would presumably have some knowledge of the job

Yes he could have left more on the note.

But in this case the OP was left a number to contact, he has called it (& attended the Police station), has been told it's non urgent/nothing to worry about & the officer involved will contact him when back on duty.

[Greendubber]

vonhosen said:

Yes he could have left more on the note.

But in this case the OP was left a number to contact, he has called it, has been told it's non urgent/nothing to worry about & the officer involved will contact him when back on duty.

Just look at the frothing this non-event has created. Only on PH.....

[Panamax]

yellowjack said:

I'm guessing there's no point in a breath test unless they've followed you home and seen you get out of the driving seat? I mean, reports of someone getting in your car from a pub? Could be anyone officer. Blow into the bag please? Certainly officer, but you need to know that the first thing I did when I got home was drink strong lager.

Well, I can tell you it's what they do.

First of all, you've got a car on the drive with an engine that's still hot, as the officer can feel/smell. "Have you been out in the car, Sir?"

Secondly the officer will ask, "how many cans of lager have you drunk this evening" and "will you show me the empties, please."

The process of back calculation of alcohol intake is firmly established in UK, as described on the government website,
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/alcohol...

"Back calculation is the process whereby a forensic toxicologist uses the
concentration of alcohol in a blood or breath sample to calculate the
concentration of alcohol in the individual’s blood or breath at some time before
the sample was taken. This type of evidence appears regularly in road traffic
investigations. A relatively common example is where the concentration of
alcohol in blood taken from the suspect is used to determine whether they were
over the drink drive limit at an earlier time – perhaps when a collision occurred."

[monthou]

vonhosen said:

Yes he could have left more on the note.

But in this case the OP was left a number to contact, he has called it 9& attended the Police station), has been told it's non urgent/nothing to worry about & the officer involved will contact him when back on duty.

The number was 101.
"I phoned 101 at around 0015 and spent an hour on hold, when I spoke to the operator and gave my name and address he said there was nothing showing on the system for me however he would pass on my mobile number and get them to call me back. "

[vonhosen]

monthou said:

vonhosen said:

Yes he could have left more on the note.

But in this case the OP was left a number to contact, he has called it 9& attended the Police station), has been told it's non urgent/nothing to worry about & the officer involved will contact him when back on duty.

The number was 101.
"I phoned 101 at around 0015 and spent an hour on hold, when I spoke to the operator and gave my name and address he said there was nothing showing on the system for me however he would pass on my mobile number and get them to call me back. "

Well I wouldn't expect him to leave his personal mobile number.
101 is the non urgent contact number.

[Trevor555]

Greendubber said:

vonhosen said:

Yes he could have left more on the note.

But in this case the OP was left a number to contact, he has called it, has been told it's non urgent/nothing to worry about & the officer involved will contact him when back on duty.

Just look at the frothing this non-event has created. Only on PH.....

I don't see any frothing, it's a pretty mild discussion about two points.

1. Should officers have made a non urgent house call at midnight.

2. Should OP be made to wait a week to find out what it was all about.

Most people go through most of their lives without any contact with the Police.

So it's not unrealistic for a person to worry about a Police knock at the door in the late hours, and having to wait a week to find out why.

[monthou]

vonhosen said:

Well I wouldn't expect him to leave his personal mobile number.
101 is the non urgent contact number.

Leaving 101 but no details on the system for when someone spends an hour ringing it?
If I need a piss up organising in a brewery I won't be calling.
How useful does it sound to you?

[vonhosen]

monthou said:

vonhosen said:

Well I wouldn't expect him to leave his personal mobile number.
101 is the non urgent contact number.

Leaving 101 but no details on the system for when someone spends an hour ringing it?
If I need a piss up organising in a brewery I won't be calling.
How useful does it sound to you?

There will only generally be details on the command/control system if the command/system generated the call at the address in the first place.
Every call made at an address from outside it isn't entered on the command/control system.
Even if it were generated by the system, the person on the end of the phone may not be at liberty to tell someone enquiring over the phone what it was about. They may only be able to refer them to the officer & tell them when that officer is next on duty.

[monthou]

vonhosen said:

monthou said:

vonhosen said:

Well I wouldn't expect him to leave his personal mobile number.
101 is the non urgent contact number.

Leaving 101 but no details on the system for when someone spends an hour ringing it?
If I need a piss up organising in a brewery I won't be calling.
How useful does it sound to you?

There will only generally be details on the command/control system if the command/system generated the call at the address in the first place.
Every call made at an address from outside it isn't entered on the command/control system.
Even if it were generated by the system, the person on the end of the phone may not be at liberty to tell someone enquiring over the phone what it was about. They may only be able to refer them to the officer & tell them when that officer is next on duty.

So what was the point of leaving the 101 number?
"But in this case the OP was left a number to contact, he has called it, has been told it's non urgent/nothing to worry about & the officer involved will contact him when back on duty."
That's in no way a fair reflection of what happened.
OP spends an hour on 101. Told there's nothing on the system. Leaves number and promised a callback. Doesn't get it. Goes into the station.
I absolutely get that sometimes the system falls down. What I don't get is you coming over all 'That's fine, nothing wrong there.'

[Hackney]

M.F.D said:

Use some common sense. It'll be a marked car outside, 2 cops with all the gear etc. Ask them to see their warrant card if you are really that paranoid. Again, better not answer the next delivery you get, the Amazon guy might be a imposter.

I'm gonna guess the OP is being accused of something minor - like a complaint re driving. Just my thoughts.

I have absolutely no idea what a "warrant card" is. How would asking to see one help?

[Draxindustries1]

Greendubber said:

vonhosen said:

Yes he could have left more on the note.

But in this case the OP was left a number to contact, he has called it, has been told it's non urgent/nothing to worry about & the officer involved will contact him when back on duty.

Just look at the frothing this non-event has created. Only on PH.....

Exactly what I was thinking . Way over the top comments and bickering over literally nothing...

[Evanivitch]

vonhosen said:

Well I wouldn't expect him to leave his personal mobile number.
101 is the non urgent contact number.

Offers do have mobile phone numbers they use whilst on duty.

[vonhosen]

Evanivitch said:

vonhosen said:

Well I wouldn't expect him to leave his personal mobile number.
101 is the non urgent contact number.

Offers do have mobile phone numbers they use whilst on duty.

I wouldn't be leaving a mobile number on a note left at a no reply address.

[vonhosen]

monthou said:

vonhosen said:

monthou said:

vonhosen said:

Well I wouldn't expect him to leave his personal mobile number.
101 is the non urgent contact number.

Leaving 101 but no details on the system for when someone spends an hour ringing it?
If I need a piss up organising in a brewery I won't be calling.
How useful does it sound to you?

There will only generally be details on the command/control system if the command/system generated the call at the address in the first place.
Every call made at an address from outside it isn't entered on the command/control system.
Even if it were generated by the system, the person on the end of the phone may not be at liberty to tell someone enquiring over the phone what it was about. They may only be able to refer them to the officer & tell them when that officer is next on duty.

So what was the point of leaving the 101 number?

If he wants to leave a message for the officer.

[monthou]

vonhosen said:

monthou said:

So what was the point of leaving the 101 number?

If he wants to leave a message for the officer.

How did that work for him?

[vonhosen]

monthou said:

vonhosen said:

monthou said:

So what was the point of leaving the 101 number?

If he wants to leave a message for the officer.

How did that work for him?

He got a message to the officer.

He wasn't happy that the officer didn't reply before he finished work (perhaps the officer thought the OP would have gone to bed & it would be inappropriate phoning in the early hours - who knows), so he went to the police station.
The officer knows he has tried to contact him & has attended the Police station.
The officer has passed a message that he will be in contact next week & that it is not urgent/anything to worry about.

It doesn't sound like a big deal.

Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 26th June 19:38

[monthou]

vonhosen said:

It doesn't sound like a big deal.

That's okay then.

[Japveesix]

vonhosen said:

And where I worked was busy inner city & midnight was deemed perfectly reasonable.
As I said, I'm rarely in bed before midnight on work days (don't have time for 7 hours sleep with what I want to do).
Go figure, different strokes.

Exactly. The police could knock on my door at any time of day or night and I'd answer and invite them in for tea, or a stiff whisky, as I don't sleep at all (I don't have time for that stuff as I'm too busy Directoring all of my business and whatever).

[MaxFromage]

Japveesix said:

Exactly. The police could knock on my door at any time of day or night and I'd answer and invite them in for tea, or a stiff whisky, as I don't sleep at all (I don't have time for that stuff as I'm too busy Directoring all of my business and whatever).

[Fermit]

If ever a thread is crying out for a poll sticky'd to it. Do you think they were A) OK to do so, B) Out of order to? A quick guess I'd say 25% A, 75% B, with 15% of A voters being current or ex Police force.

Any wonder why the publics confidence in the Police is waning at the rate it is?

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-repo...