Police enquiry at home

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

the mac said:

Some evidence for you

You missed a trick there... You could have squeezed a "wrist shot" in of your watch.

[boyse7en]

Hol said:

ED209 said:

Yet if you were burgled and the police attended to investigate at midnight you would probably be unhappy if they took a week to speak to your neighbours who may have witnessed something rather than give them a knock at midnight.

Sure it could wait a week, a month even but would you be happy with that level of service?

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

Yup. That would fit the scenario.

But, all will be revealed when the OP speaks to the officer involved and gets the full story.


Then, we can assess who on here was right and who just over reacted over something that never was.

It's been quite weird that most posters on here seem to think that any police enquiry is a binary position between urgent and non-urgent. The idea that it could be urgent at midnight, but not urgent by the following morning, doesn't seem preposterous.

[Nibbles_bits]

Like a Missing Person enquiry.

Hyperthetical -
The OP could be a known associate of a Missing Person. Police call at the address to see if OP can assist in any way.
Missing Person is later found, so no need to contact the OP.
Depending on how the connection has been recorded, 101 might not know about why Officers attended.

[OutInTheShed]

the mac said:

So looking for some opinions just to gauge as to whether I’m unreasonable ?????
So the other night just a few minutes before midnight the Police came to my door, now unfortunately I wasn’t in but my wife was, as you can probably imagine she got a bit of a fright with the doorbell going at that time of night and being in by herself. Wisely she didn’t answer it as at this point she didn’t know who it was, she then heard something being posted through the door. Further investigation revealed that it was a card from Police Scotland with the box ticked enquiry and my name on it. It also had the officers name and they had circled the 101 number for me to call. She phoned me at work and told me what happened, I phoned 101 at around 0015 and spent an hour on hold, when I spoke to the operator and gave my name and address he said there was nothing showing on the system for me however he would pass on my mobile number and get them to call me back. I still hadn’t heard anything by the time I finished work so decided to try and nip things in the bud and went to the Police station. The person on duty managed to radio through to the officer involved and then passed on to me they were just about to finish their shift but had my number and would be in contact when they were back on duty in a weeks time! When I asked what it was in relation to I was told they couldn’t tell me but it was nothing to worry about!
So a few points: is midnight not an unreasonable time to be turning up at someone’s door?
This obviously left me wondering if someone had died or what have I allegedly done.
Is it unreasonable to have expected the curtesy of a return phone call?
Is it unreasonable that I now need to wait a week till they are back on duty to find out what they want?
If it is as they say “ nothing to worry about” why come to my home at midnight?
So just looking for thoughts and opinions from any Police or fellow citizens, is this just the norm?

So, somebody knocked on your door during your normal working hours.

Then they didn't get back in touch.


I'd guess that whatever reason they had to wish to speak to you became obsolete.

A lot of people who are working at midnight get annoyed if someone knocks on their door at 10AM.

[Voldemort]

OutInTheShed said:

the mac said:

So looking for some opinions just to gauge as to whether I’m unreasonable ?????
So the other night just a few minutes before midnight the Police came to my door, now unfortunately I wasn’t in but my wife was, as you can probably imagine she got a bit of a fright with the doorbell going at that time of night and being in by herself. Wisely she didn’t answer it as at this point she didn’t know who it was, she then heard something being posted through the door. Further investigation revealed that it was a card from Police Scotland with the box ticked enquiry and my name on it. It also had the officers name and they had circled the 101 number for me to call. She phoned me at work and told me what happened, I phoned 101 at around 0015 and spent an hour on hold, when I spoke to the operator and gave my name and address he said there was nothing showing on the system for me however he would pass on my mobile number and get them to call me back. I still hadn’t heard anything by the time I finished work so decided to try and nip things in the bud and went to the Police station. The person on duty managed to radio through to the officer involved and then passed on to me they were just about to finish their shift but had my number and would be in contact when they were back on duty in a weeks time! When I asked what it was in relation to I was told they couldn’t tell me but it was nothing to worry about!
So a few points: is midnight not an unreasonable time to be turning up at someone’s door?
This obviously left me wondering if someone had died or what have I allegedly done.
Is it unreasonable to have expected the curtesy of a return phone call?
Is it unreasonable that I now need to wait a week till they are back on duty to find out what they want?
If it is as they say “ nothing to worry about” why come to my home at midnight?
So just looking for thoughts and opinions from any Police or fellow citizens, is this just the norm?

So, somebody knocked on your door during your normal working hours.

Then they didn't get back in touch.


I'd guess that whatever reason they had to wish to speak to you became obsolete.

A lot of people who are working at midnight get annoyed if someone knocks on their door at 10AM.

Do you think they knew that and that made it acceptable?

[Nibbles_bits]

Possibly.

Maybe the Officer had some information that OP sleeps during the day ??

The Officer said he had the OP's number, but we don't know how the Police came about that information ??

Roll on Thursday
( Although if the Officer reads PH, he might wait until Friday )

[Hackney]

Trevor555 said:

To leave someone hanging for a week after a midnight knock isn't professional.

This.

What I've not seen in the thread is simply that by going round at midnight the officer completely wasted his time, while at the same time worrying the OP for a week. I'd be the same, even if the card / message / colleague said, "nothing to worry about".
If there was nothing to worry about, ie nothing urgent, why call at midnight? Midnight says urgent and important. Send a bleeding email!!

[OutInTheShed]

Voldemort said:

Do you think they knew that and that made it acceptable?

It's possible.

Who knows?

Did they pick the OP at random or did they know a thing or two about him?
Like, were they detectives or zummat?
One of life's little mysteries.

[snuffy]

Hackney said:

This.

What I've not seen in the thread is simply that by going round at midnight the officer completely wasted his time, while at the same time worrying the OP for a week. I'd be the same, even if the card / message / colleague said, "nothing to worry about".
If there was nothing to worry about, ie nothing urgent, why call at midnight? Midnight says urgent and important. Send a bleeding email!!

How would they know your email unless of course the person in question has already been contacted by the police and told them it ?

[Voldemort]

OutInTheShed said:

Voldemort said:

Do you think they knew that and that made it acceptable?

It's possible.

Who knows?

Did they pick the OP at random or did they know a thing or two about him?
Like, were they detectives or zummat?
One of life's little mysteries.

Well of course it's possible.

My question was do YOU think that they knew it was in the OP's 'normal hours' ?

[fwiw I think they didn't give a st about calling at an anti-social hour for a trivial matter because they don't care about being decent human beings and are happy to use the 'pressures of work' as an excuse for, frankly, inexcusable behaviour.]

[Longy00000]

Well the MET has been put in special measures just about sums up the current modern policing of 2022 and why so many PH members have agreed with the OP that the actions of the officer in this thread are perhaps less than professional albeit he is police Scotland and not the met.

[ED209]

Longy00000 said:

Well the MET has been put in special measures just about sums up the current modern policing of 2022 and why so many PH members have agreed with the OP that the actions of the officer in this thread are perhaps less than professional albeit he is police Scotland and not the met.

I think it takes a lot, lot more for a force to be put into special measures than a cop knocking on someone’s door a bit late.

The media are putting it out that the mets special measures are due to a few very high profile incidents, it won’t even be that, it will be more systemic failures.

I won’t be at all surprised if my force ends up in special measures as well at some point, policing is broken, a royal commission is needed to decide what we really want the police to do. The current all things to all people situation cannot continue.

[DanL]

ED209 said:

a royal commission is needed to decide what we really want the police to do. The current all things to all people situation cannot continue.

Serve the public trust.
Protect the innocent.
Uphold the law.
(Don’t act against senior officers of OCP)

[thewarlock]

OutInTheShed said:

Voldemort said:

Do you think they knew that and that made it acceptable?

It's possible.

Who knows?

Did they pick the OP at random or did they know a thing or two about him?
Like, were they detectives or zummat?
One of life's little mysteries.

Well if they did know he worked nights, and they were Detectives, they were st ones, because they turned up at his house when they knew he wouldn't be there.

[XCP]

Only a 'fairly' straight citizen.

[XCP]

ED209 said:

I think it takes a lot, lot more for a force to be put into special measures than a cop knocking on someone’s door a bit late.

The media are putting it out that the mets special measures are due to a few very high profile incidents, it won’t even be that, it will be more systemic failures.

I won’t be at all surprised if my force ends up in special measures as well at some point, policing is broken, a royal commission is needed to decide what we really want the police to do. The current all things to all people situation cannot continue.

I think Derbyshire were in special measures a while back. Presumably they worked their way through it.

[lrdisco]

XCP said:

Only a 'fairly' straight citizen.

Yes like everyone. Even our own government and PM.
It’s ok to break the law in a limited and measured way. So our government say.

So yes fairly straight. Break speed limits sometimes, broke lockdown rules.

[the mac]

So an update, got a phone call today and arranged to go see them as opposed to them coming to see me again, officer apologised for the late call but apparently was told to by their boss, and apparently the reason they didn’t get back to me is because they were dealing with a prisoner. The reason they wanted to speak me that was “nothing to worry about” was to charge me with careless driving! Apparently back in May I overtook another car at speed and caused them to brake hard. This seemingly falls under careless driving and is exempt from the 14 day rule, I’ve made a couple of calls for legal advice and apparently this is correct! I can fight it if I wish but costs are roughly £2000 +vat! Or accept a fixed penalty of £100. I have no recollection of the event but they have two witness statements albeit from people in the same car and apparently this is sufficient.

[Abdul Abulbul Amir]

How many points is that?

I'd fight it.

[Nibbles_bits]

the mac said:

So an update, got a phone call today and arranged to go see them as opposed to them coming to see me again, officer apologised for the late call but apparently was told to by their boss, and apparently the reason they didn’t get back to me is because they were dealing with a prisoner. The reason they wanted to speak me that was “nothing to worry about” was to charge me with careless driving! Apparently back in May I overtook another car at speed and caused them to brake hard. This seemingly falls under careless driving and is exempt from the 14 day rule, I’ve made a couple of calls for legal advice and apparently this is correct! I can fight it if I wish but costs are roughly £2000 +vat! Or accept a fixed penalty of £100. I have no recollection of the event but they have two witness statements albeit from people in the same car and apparently this is sufficient.

Oh dear

Aren't you glad the Officer didn't leave a note saying "I called to report you for a driving offence but you weren't in. I'm now not available until Thursday. Have a nice weekend"

Just so we're clear.......is it unreasonable for the Police to speak with a suspected offender at midnight??