TfL to slap 20mph limit on 65km more of London roads in Sept
Discussion
raspy said:
I don't know about other places in the UK, but the sheer amount of moped drivers these days riding like lunatics in London make driving in urban areas really hazardous.
They should all be limited to 20mph and monitored with black boxes for risky behaviour.
That and delivery cyclists flying about trying to race food orders and the buses can’t see removing private cars will make it a lot safer, current average speed limit in the Big Smoke on LBC was 9mph!They should all be limited to 20mph and monitored with black boxes for risky behaviour.
No-one is currently paying London's 20mph limits any attention apart from at the cameras. They don't have any real world support, but that doesn't matter.
All that s
te is coming everywhere as fast as they can. The blueprints for your future were written decades ago. We are well into the implementation phase. It is called the "decade of action" for a reason. Google it.
All that s
te is coming everywhere as fast as they can. The blueprints for your future were written decades ago. We are well into the implementation phase. It is called the "decade of action" for a reason. Google it.raspy said:
I don't know about other places in the UK, but the sheer amount of moped drivers these days riding like lunatics in London make driving in urban areas really hazardous.
They should all be limited to 20mph and monitored with black boxes for risky behaviour.
The moped fast food delivery drivers in London are a massive problem, but the problem is easily solved.They should all be limited to 20mph and monitored with black boxes for risky behaviour.
It should be the law that no one on a provisional licence, be it car or bike, can drive for business. Pleasure use only until you've passed your test.
Thus no one insuring a moped on a provisional licence could get business use cover as it wouldn't be available to provisional licence holders, and as soon as the police saw a pizza box on the back of a moped with L plates, they could pull them for no insurance.
I fail to see a down side to this plan. Who the hell wants provisional licence holders in any kind of vehicle driving for business?
Quhet said:
Doubt you can go more than 20mph on many of the roads in London anyway.
Bristol's had majority of roads at 20mph for years now. Don't think it's turned it into any more or less of a dump than what it was before but it does make it more pleasant when walking and cycling around.
If you drive from one side of Bristol to the other you cover the same amount of mileage travelling from Sutton to Mitcham. Bristol's had majority of roads at 20mph for years now. Don't think it's turned it into any more or less of a dump than what it was before but it does make it more pleasant when walking and cycling around.
Imagine if the 20 limit extended all the way to Bath and you’re about right for a useful car journey into London
Edited by The Wookie on Tuesday 21st March 21:04
James6112 said:
“Transport for London (TfL) is pushing forward with plans to reduce the speed limits on 137 miles of its 367-mile network by 2024”
As long as targeted to residential/side roads, good news.
Hopefully enforced.
The twonks going too fast are the reason this is coming (not just London)
And you think the twonks going too fast are going to obey the new limits despite breaking the old limits already….?As long as targeted to residential/side roads, good news.
Hopefully enforced.
The twonks going too fast are the reason this is coming (not just London)
Hoofy said:
It's all around me. Bit annoying when I'm driving at 1am and the only person on the road apart from the maniac behind me who was doing 40mph and has rapidly caught up with me but would now rather tailgate me than overtake. 
Yep, I have to drive a few miles on 20mph roads each day and this is exactly how it pans out every time. Driver behind is a speck in my mirror when I turn onto the road, I hold 20 mph and he/she is promptly on my bumper - no oncoming traffic but will he/she pass? No, they stay on my bumper for half a mile before I turn left.I find the 20 mph zones very stressful, the other thing I notice is oncoming cars tend not to wait behind the car blocking their path (and let you by), they just carry on, probably in anger at being forced to drive slow - so no way will they stop too.
raspy said:
Terminator X said:
At night or off peak hours #kerching
Look at Vison Zero they want all cars off the roads, careful what you wish for etc.
https://actionvisionzero.org/why-vision-zero/
TX.
Vision Zero - How dare London and other cities have such a goal for the future, right? Look at Vison Zero they want all cars off the roads, careful what you wish for etc.
https://actionvisionzero.org/why-vision-zero/
TX.
"2041 no one will be killed or seriously injured on the capital’s road"
After all, our villages, towns and cities should continue to be prioritised for the needs of drivers over everyone else, right?
aceofspades1 said:
James6112 said:
“Transport for London (TfL) is pushing forward with plans to reduce the speed limits on 137 miles of its 367-mile network by 2024”
As long as targeted to residential/side roads, good news.
Hopefully enforced.
The twonks going too fast are the reason this is coming (not just London)
And you think the twonks going too fast are going to obey the new limits despite breaking the old limits already….?As long as targeted to residential/side roads, good news.
Hopefully enforced.
The twonks going too fast are the reason this is coming (not just London)
kiethton said:
Even more limits to be ignored then. I regularly drive in both Lewisham and Croydon which are plagued by these reduced limits.
Roll back 10 years and I rarely had to overtake anything beyond milkfloats in urban areas, I'm now overtaking a few cars each journey....
I'm overtaking in inner and outer London 100s of times more in the past few years than I did in the previous 4 decades.Roll back 10 years and I rarely had to overtake anything beyond milkfloats in urban areas, I'm now overtaking a few cars each journey....
I find that the problem is that nearly everyone obeys them despite the lack of cameras.
That's in my tiny engined car but even worse is that on my motorbike I am constantly avoiding or emergency braking due to cars pulling out from side roads who seem to think that as everyone is doing 17mph, it's perfectly fine.
Before anyone chimes in, that's when I sticking to the ludicrously low limit that seems to have made the majority even dopier at driving a car.
Taking away the sense of danger plus adding countless distractions via giant iPad screens has made riding a motorcycle thru town far more dangerous than it was in my youth.
Luckily, so far, nearly 5 decades of biking experience is helping me.
This is just so depressing, I can’t wait to get out of this country and back to Asia where progress is seen as a good thing, and where they actually build roads and infrastructure to help people get around, not stop them.
As well as the stupid 20 limits, half the roads in London have been narrowed to make massive congestion. Take Bishopsgate for example, used to be two lanes either way, now one lane where you can’t over take cyclists, and buses now stop in live traffic lanes, so all traffic crawls along stopping every few yards to let buses pick up and let down passengers.
The “brake” crowd say this is great and how many lives will be saved, but every time I go there, I see ambulances and fire engines, sirens wailing and lights flashing, stood still in gridlocked traffic with no chance at all of making it to their emergency.
It’s the same on Euston Road and many other places across London.
Maybe all those that think this is a great idea will have a re-think when the ambulance can’t get to them when they have an emergency.
The whole plan to grind London to a halt is just utterly stupid.
As well as the stupid 20 limits, half the roads in London have been narrowed to make massive congestion. Take Bishopsgate for example, used to be two lanes either way, now one lane where you can’t over take cyclists, and buses now stop in live traffic lanes, so all traffic crawls along stopping every few yards to let buses pick up and let down passengers.
The “brake” crowd say this is great and how many lives will be saved, but every time I go there, I see ambulances and fire engines, sirens wailing and lights flashing, stood still in gridlocked traffic with no chance at all of making it to their emergency.
It’s the same on Euston Road and many other places across London.
Maybe all those that think this is a great idea will have a re-think when the ambulance can’t get to them when they have an emergency.
The whole plan to grind London to a halt is just utterly stupid.
POIDH said:
I really like the 20mph limits in Scotland - and feel that the majority of drivers have slowed down (albeit not down to the 20mph), benefitting us all with safer, healthier and more sustainable lives.
For those looking to maintain 30mph, what makes you think that is an appropriate speed in a built up area?
What makes you think 30mph is bad?For those looking to maintain 30mph, what makes you think that is an appropriate speed in a built up area?
What's next, 10mph?
Then 5?
Then no cars?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
raspy said:
I don't know about other places in the UK, but the sheer amount of moped drivers these days riding like lunatics in London make driving in urban areas really hazardous.
They should all be limited to 20mph and monitored with black boxes for risky behaviour.
The moped fast food delivery drivers in London are a massive problem, but the problem is easily solved.They should all be limited to 20mph and monitored with black boxes for risky behaviour.
It should be the law that no one on a provisional licence, be it car or bike, can drive for business. Pleasure use only until you've passed your test.
Thus no one insuring a moped on a provisional licence could get business use cover as it wouldn't be available to provisional licence holders, and as soon as the police saw a pizza box on the back of a moped with L plates, they could pull them for no insurance.
I fail to see a down side to this plan. Who the hell wants provisional licence holders in any kind of vehicle driving for business?
POIDH said:
I really like the 20mph limits in Scotland - and feel that the majority of drivers have slowed down (albeit not down to the 20mph), benefitting us all with safer, healthier and more sustainable lives.
For those looking to maintain 30mph, what makes you think that is an appropriate speed in a built up area?
Citation needed.For those looking to maintain 30mph, what makes you think that is an appropriate speed in a built up area?
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