"We are the Highway Code“
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Outer Circle has got to be one of the safest roads to cycle, all things considered, speeders aside. There are plenty of times when cyclists are perfectly justified in making a fuss/stirring up a bit of conflict. Unless you were being an absolute throbber, which it doesn't sound like you were, then this isn't one of them.
LordBretSinclair said:
MustangGT said:
IIRC the HC requires you overtake to the offside, so no, because he should not be passing on the left.
S163, which is for all road users says::
? only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
What about the rest of that rule for cyclists????S163, which is for all road users says::
? only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
"Cyclists may pass slower moving or stationary traffic on their right or left .........."
Once again, legislation passed without considering other aspects of it.
MustangGT said:
LordBretSinclair said:
MustangGT said:
IIRC the HC requires you overtake to the offside, so no, because he should not be passing on the left.
S163, which is for all road users says::
? only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
What about the rest of that rule for cyclists????S163, which is for all road users says::
? only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
"Cyclists may pass slower moving or stationary traffic on their right or left .........."
Once again, legislation passed without considering other aspects of it.
Mave said:
MustangGT said:
LordBretSinclair said:
MustangGT said:
IIRC the HC requires you overtake to the offside, so no, because he should not be passing on the left.
S163, which is for all road users says::
? only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
What about the rest of that rule for cyclists????S163, which is for all road users says::
? only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
"Cyclists may pass slower moving or stationary traffic on their right or left .........."
Once again, legislation passed without considering other aspects of it.
MustangGT said:
Mave said:
MustangGT said:
LordBretSinclair said:
MustangGT said:
IIRC the HC requires you overtake to the offside, so no, because he should not be passing on the left.
S163, which is for all road users says::
? only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
What about the rest of that rule for cyclists????S163, which is for all road users says::
? only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
"Cyclists may pass slower moving or stationary traffic on their right or left .........."
Once again, legislation passed without considering other aspects of it.
And probably should have just waited
.... so you are accepting it's fine for bikes to ride faster than 20mph limits (which one assumes are put in place due to being very densely populated areas/lots of pedestrians)? Simply because the law says so? Ignoring competely the reason the 20 was put in place?
It's no wonder there is so much hate for cycling groups on the road. And the cheeky buggers overtake him on BOTH sides, and then complain he's not left enough room, that THEY took up, and blocked both sides so he had nowhere to go...
Devil's advocate my butt.
It's no wonder there is so much hate for cycling groups on the road. And the cheeky buggers overtake him on BOTH sides, and then complain he's not left enough room, that THEY took up, and blocked both sides so he had nowhere to go...
Devil's advocate my butt.
Solocle said:
Speed limits only apply to motor vehicles.
I got stopped by the police for doing 48 in a 30 down a very steep hill locally when I was 16.More a telling off than anything else as they pointed out how long it took to stop and how no one would expect me to be going quite that fast...
Griffith4ever said:
.... so you are accepting it's fine for bikes to ride faster than 20mph limits (which one assumes are put in place due to being very densely populated areas/lots of pedestrians)? Simply because the law says so? Ignoring competely the reason the 20 was put in place?
It's no wonder there is so much hate for cycling groups on the road. And the cheeky buggers overtake him on BOTH sides, and then complain he's not left enough room, that THEY took up, and blocked both sides so he had nowhere to go...
Devil's advocate my butt.
I’m just discussing the legality not the moralityIt's no wonder there is so much hate for cycling groups on the road. And the cheeky buggers overtake him on BOTH sides, and then complain he's not left enough room, that THEY took up, and blocked both sides so he had nowhere to go...
Devil's advocate my butt.
If the speed limit was soooo important then my view is it would apply to all road users? Maybe cars are more dangerous to other road users than bicycles?
I also suspect they complained because he pulled in front of them and went slower than they were but we won’t know.
Still the whole situation won’t help either side get along with the other.
Had I been in the car I’d have waited for them to pass, had I been on the bike I wouldn’t have undertaken.
Edited by What The Deuces on Sunday 26th March 13:15
Edited by What The Deuces on Sunday 26th March 13:22
Yex GTR said:
Might explain why so my cyclists get killed by vehicles turning left.
Darwinism at it's very best.
My understanding of the new ( ridiculous ) Laws is: Darwinism at it's very best.
If you intend to turn left, you should check for cyclists who are behind you, cycling on your nearside, and rather than the cyclist having to slow for the vehicle ahead, to allow it to turn left, the vehicle ahead has to slow down and stop if need be, to allow the cyclist to undertake them, before turning left.
I seem to recall that this also applies if the cyclist is also turning left - So you have to let the cyclist get ahead of you, and then be held up by them, rather than you simply driving off on your way ahead of them, without being delayed by the cyclist.
It's all basically a plan to make driving as miserable as possible, and cause big delays, as vehicles are forced to travel at bicycle speeds, instead of motor vehicle speeds, in the hope that people will ditch their vehicles
What The Deuces said:
Maybe cars are more dangerous to other road users than bicycles?
I also suspect they complained because he pulled in front of them and went slower than they were but we won’t know.
Still the whole situation won’t help either side get along with the other.
Had I been in the car I’d have waited for them to pass, had I been on the bike I wouldn’t have undertaken.
[footnote]Edited by What The Deuces on Sunday 26th March 13:15[/footnot
I'm not sure how much less dangerous a wall of bicycles is at 30mph, than a car at 20mph, to a pedestrian. Pretty similar I'd guess. The ground that your head hits is the same ground either way.I also suspect they complained because he pulled in front of them and went slower than they were but we won’t know.
Still the whole situation won’t help either side get along with the other.
Had I been in the car I’d have waited for them to pass, had I been on the bike I wouldn’t have undertaken.
[footnote]Edited by What The Deuces on Sunday 26th March 13:15[/footnot
You are assuming the OP pulled "out in front" of the bikes in a dangerous manner. He stated he simply pulled out. I very much doubt he did that wrecklessly and then post don here. When does "pulling out in front of" become simply "pulling out" ? 50m? 100m? totally out of sight?
Just seems like an attempt at victim blaming to me.
Jamescrs said:
I do find though on the odd occasions I drve in London it seems to be a completely different set of rules to the rest of the country, or people treat it as if it is
I can only hope so, since my experience from a decade walking from Moorgate Station to Monument and back each working day taught me that all (or close enough to all as to make no difference) cyclists are hypocritical scoff-law egotistical aholes who don't give a single solitary flying fk for anyone else on the roads, or for the rules, signage, markings or traffic lights, and especially not for pedestrians, whom they treat in exactly the same way they spend endless hours whining about being treated by motorists.Griffith4ever said:
What The Deuces said:
Maybe cars are more dangerous to other road users than bicycles?
I also suspect they complained because he pulled in front of them and went slower than they were but we won’t know.
Still the whole situation won’t help either side get along with the other.
Had I been in the car I’d have waited for them to pass, had I been on the bike I wouldn’t have undertaken.
[footnote]Edited by What The Deuces on Sunday 26th March 13:15[/footnot
I'm not sure how much less dangerous a wall of bicycles is at 30mph, than a car at 20mph, to a pedestrian. Pretty similar I'd guess. The ground that your head hits is the same ground either way.I also suspect they complained because he pulled in front of them and went slower than they were but we won’t know.
Still the whole situation won’t help either side get along with the other.
Had I been in the car I’d have waited for them to pass, had I been on the bike I wouldn’t have undertaken.
[footnote]Edited by What The Deuces on Sunday 26th March 13:15[/footnot
You are assuming the OP pulled "out in front" of the bikes in a dangerous manner. He stated he simply pulled out. I very much doubt he did that wrecklessly and then post don here. When does "pulling out in front of" become simply "pulling out" ? 50m? 100m? totally out of sight?
Just seems like an attempt at victim blaming to me.
I’d suggest the OP was careful to say pulled out safely as they were in sight, clearly they weren’t a huge distance away as they passed him!
As I said I’ll repeat, if I was on the bikes I wouldn’t have passed, if I was in the car I probably wouldn’t have pulled out.
I think there’s an element of sthousery all round probably
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