Police run over calf - reasonable?
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popeyewhite said:
You don't need to be a 'expert' in anything to get three people to surround a scared animal and let it calm down. What's happened to people that they are so helpless?
Why would you? It's a cow. Police officer is thankless job 90% of the time, let alone putting yourself in harms way for the welfare of an animal that's going to slaughter anyway. Save themselves for wrestling a junkie, or stepping in for another psychotic episode that should never have been treated in the community.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
CoolHands said:
popeyewhite said:
You don't need to be a 'expert' in anything to get three people to surround a scared animal and let it calm down. What's happened to people that they are so helpless?
that has to be a wind up"Someone should have done something. Stood in its way, calmed it down. Not me obviously, I'm sitting in my armchair arguing on a forum, but someone else".
Calm down .
Cows and other animals get loose in towns and cities all the time in the UK.
Never are they run over by a witless copper though.
popeyewhite said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
CoolHands said:
popeyewhite said:
You don't need to be a 'expert' in anything to get three people to surround a scared animal and let it calm down. What's happened to people that they are so helpless?
that has to be a wind up"Someone should have done something. Stood in its way, calmed it down. Not me obviously, I'm sitting in my armchair arguing on a forum, but someone else".
Calm down .
Cows and other animals get loose in towns and cities all the time in the UK.
Never are they run over by a witless copper though.
CoolHands said:
Love to see how the experts on this thread (can always rely on ph) would have contained it and led it peacefully back to a nearby field. I’m sure it was most cooperative
Cows escape their fields outside London too, and I believe they are usually led peacefully back to a nearby field. There's a lot more going on in a city of course but it's not exactly some exotic predator that's escaped from a zoo. It's a cow.
durbster said:
Cows escape their fields outside London too, and I believe they are usually led peacefully back to a nearby field.
There's a lot more going on in a city of course but it's not exactly some exotic predator that's escaped from a zoo. It's a cow.
And cows vary from docile things to utter pr****, depending on many different things.There's a lot more going on in a city of course but it's not exactly some exotic predator that's escaped from a zoo. It's a cow.
Utterly disgraceful.
And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked. They did if it was a mother and its calf. Never, ever get between a heifer and its calf.
The guy rammed the calf twice ffs, even after the first time it was on the floor? And it was loose for several hours, easy to get a tranq gun in that time.
And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked. They did if it was a mother and its calf. Never, ever get between a heifer and its calf.
The guy rammed the calf twice ffs, even after the first time it was on the floor? And it was loose for several hours, easy to get a tranq gun in that time.
Evanivitch said:
durbster said:
Cows escape their fields outside London too, and I believe they are usually led peacefully back to a nearby field.
There's a lot more going on in a city of course but it's not exactly some exotic predator that's escaped from a zoo. It's a cow.
And cows vary from docile things to utter pr****, depending on many different things.There's a lot more going on in a city of course but it's not exactly some exotic predator that's escaped from a zoo. It's a cow.
But cows do escape sometimes and it's not usually a big deal. It normally ends with them being caught and taken away without much drama, which is why this looks so shocking.
That said, I was just looking for some examples of them in towns and found a story of one in a town that trampled a poor bloke to death, so I'm reconsidering my view a bit.
ChevronB19 said:
Utterly disgraceful.
And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked.
Well in London we would panic. I would if I'd seen it running down the road towards me. But the other day I was in Swiss Cottage and I walked down the road between pro Israel and pro Palestine demos, as they were hurling abuse at each other. I didn't bat an eyelid, but I guess in some rural village, the locals would have been boarding up their windows. And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked.
ChevronB19 said:
Utterly disgraceful.
And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked. They did if it was a mother and its calf. Never, ever get between a heifer and its calf.
The guy rammed the calf twice ffs, even after the first time it was on the floor? And it was loose for several hours, easy to get a tranq gun in that time.
Worked on a farm as a lad as well, your are bang on. Mothers, bulls and herds are a real risk, a scared calf, not really. If they had hours to sort this out, a rope and a few riot shields would have been the best optionAnd before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked. They did if it was a mother and its calf. Never, ever get between a heifer and its calf.
The guy rammed the calf twice ffs, even after the first time it was on the floor? And it was loose for several hours, easy to get a tranq gun in that time.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
ChevronB19 said:
Utterly disgraceful.
And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked.
Well in London we would panic. I would if I'd seen it running down the road towards me. But the other day I was in Swiss Cottage and I walked down the road between pro Israel and pro Palestine demos, as they were hurling abuse at each other. I didn't bat an eyelid, but I guess in some rural village, the locals would have been boarding up their windows. And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked.
Chris packham wants the police prosecuted and the RSPCA have been critical of the police in a statement.
It does seem a bit heavy handed, but hindsight and all that.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnkkp7eejyqo.a...
It does seem a bit heavy handed, but hindsight and all that.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnkkp7eejyqo.a...
TwigtheWonderkid said:
ChevronB19 said:
Utterly disgraceful.
And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked.
Well in London we would panic. I would if I'd seen it running down the road towards me. But the other day I was in Swiss Cottage and I walked down the road between pro Israel and pro Palestine demos, as they were hurling abuse at each other. I didn't bat an eyelid, but I guess in some rural village, the locals would have been boarding up their windows. And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked.
cuprabob said:
Surely they could have got a vet with a tranquilliser gun to take of it.
You'd need to know how much the calf weighs in order to know how much tranquilliser to use.
Too little and it won't work. Too much and you risk killing it.
You'd also need to know whether it has an health conditions.
ATG said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
ChevronB19 said:
Utterly disgraceful.
And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked.
Well in London we would panic. I would if I'd seen it running down the road towards me. But the other day I was in Swiss Cottage and I walked down the road between pro Israel and pro Palestine demos, as they were hurling abuse at each other. I didn't bat an eyelid, but I guess in some rural village, the locals would have been boarding up their windows. And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked.
popeyewhite said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
CoolHands said:
popeyewhite said:
You don't need to be a 'expert' in anything to get three people to surround a scared animal and let it calm down. What's happened to people that they are so helpless?
that has to be a wind up"Someone should have done something. Stood in its way, calmed it down. Not me obviously, I'm sitting in my armchair arguing on a forum, but someone else".
Calm down .
Cows and other animals get loose in towns and cities all the time in the UK.
Never are they run over by a witless copper though.
ChevronB19 said:
Utterly disgraceful.
And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked. They did if it was a mother and its calf. Never, ever get between a heifer and its calf.
The guy rammed the calf twice ffs, even after the first time it was on the floor? And it was loose for several hours, easy to get a tranq gun in that time.
Then why didn't anyone turn up with a tranquilliser gun??And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked. They did if it was a mother and its calf. Never, ever get between a heifer and its calf.
The guy rammed the calf twice ffs, even after the first time it was on the floor? And it was loose for several hours, easy to get a tranq gun in that time.
ChevronB19 said:
ATG said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
ChevronB19 said:
Utterly disgraceful.
And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked.
Well in London we would panic. I would if I'd seen it running down the road towards me. But the other day I was in Swiss Cottage and I walked down the road between pro Israel and pro Palestine demos, as they were hurling abuse at each other. I didn't bat an eyelid, but I guess in some rural village, the locals would have been boarding up their windows. And before anyone has a pop, I grew up in a rural area, worked part time on farms for several years (cattle farms) from 14 to 18, and in summer holidays until I was 21.
Wasn’t unusual for a calf to escape. No-one panicked.
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