Police run over calf - reasonable?
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BBC said:
...a Sussex Police Senior Investigating Officer (SIO) from the Surrey Police and Sussex Police Major Crime Team...
Glad to see an SIO and MIT working on a cow that got hit by a police car. Much more important than those resources dealing with major crime...
75 witness statements.
What a joke. A lack of leadership to deal with it proportionally. Probably worried due to the 2000 complaints from people who won't care about an over-the-top investigation and have probably long-forgotten / cared about it.
MrBogSmith said:
BBC said:
...a Sussex Police Senior Investigating Officer (SIO) from the Surrey Police and Sussex Police Major Crime Team...
Glad to see an SIO and MIT working on a cow that got hit by a police car. Much more important than those resources dealing with major crime...
75 witness statements.
What a joke. A lack of leadership to deal with it proportionally. Probably worried due to the 2000 complaints from people who won't care about an over-the-top investigation and have probably long-forgotten / cared about it.
Nibbles_bits said:
SURREY POLICE -
Following events which led to a cow being injured in Staines-upon-Thames in the early hours of 15 June, we can confirm that this incident has been thoroughly investigated as both a criminal and internal misconduct matter and has now concluded.
Led by our Professional Standards Department and overseen by a Sussex Police Senior Investigating Officer (SIO) from the Surrey Police and Sussex Police Major Crime Team, the comprehensive investigation reviewed over 250 pieces of video footage, 75 witness statements and obtained the expert opinions of animal welfare specialists to determine if the actions of those involved on the night amounted to the offence of causing unnecessary suffering to an animal.
The SIO has now completed their investigation and determined that while footage of the incident was distressing in nature, those involved in the incident acted within their duties, and the tactics adopted were both lawful and necessary to prevent harm to the public and property. As such, no further action will be taken in either the criminal investigation, or the internal misconduct matter.
Deputy Chief Constable, Nev Kemp, said; “We appreciate the strength of feeling which remains in relation to this incident, which is why we committed to conducting a diligent and thorough investigation to determine whether any criminal offences had taken place in relation to the actions taken by Surrey Police on the night.
“This involved gathering substantial amounts of video evidence, as well as speaking to witnesses, and animal welfare specialists to help inform the SIOs decision making. After investigating for five months, the SIO found that while there is necessary organisational learning in relation to how we handle loose livestock, no criminal offences were made out and therefore no further action should be taken against those who were involved.
“This determination was supported by the Head of Professional Standards for Surrey Police who subsequently reviewed whether there was any potential misconduct. They determined a need for individual learning, but that no further action is taken in relation to misconduct. The driver of the vehicle will return to frontline duties in due course.
“This incident has highlighted several issues in relation to how the police respond to a loose livestock incident and therefore, as a Force, we want to do what we can to reduce the possibility of any event like this happening again, not just in Surrey but anywhere in the country. We have reviewed the recommendations made by the SIO and experts in this area, and will be working to address these promptly, sharing any best practice with Forces across the UK."
The cow, Beau Lucy, is well and remains at the farm with her herd.
“We have already made changes to our protocol for loose livestock. These changes were developed in partnership with a new national advice working group, which we established following the incident, to seek guidance from experts including the British Animal Rescue and Trauma Care Association, British Cattle Veterinary Association, National Farmers Union, and the National Rural Crime Unit. I am grateful to them for their support and guidance.”
Our revised protocol now ensures that in the event of a loose livestock incident, our specialist roads policing team will be deployed to support road and public safety and that early contact is made with Surrey Fire and Rescue Service to utilise their capability and expertise. ?This protocol will be supported by guidance and training to assist the decision making of those involved in any possible future livestock incidents.
Just heard on the radio that the officer was about to return to work. I don't think that he made the best decision in ramming it with a car but it's nuts that he's been unable to work for all this time. I'm not surprised we're short of police officers if that's the norm.Following events which led to a cow being injured in Staines-upon-Thames in the early hours of 15 June, we can confirm that this incident has been thoroughly investigated as both a criminal and internal misconduct matter and has now concluded.
Led by our Professional Standards Department and overseen by a Sussex Police Senior Investigating Officer (SIO) from the Surrey Police and Sussex Police Major Crime Team, the comprehensive investigation reviewed over 250 pieces of video footage, 75 witness statements and obtained the expert opinions of animal welfare specialists to determine if the actions of those involved on the night amounted to the offence of causing unnecessary suffering to an animal.
The SIO has now completed their investigation and determined that while footage of the incident was distressing in nature, those involved in the incident acted within their duties, and the tactics adopted were both lawful and necessary to prevent harm to the public and property. As such, no further action will be taken in either the criminal investigation, or the internal misconduct matter.
Deputy Chief Constable, Nev Kemp, said; “We appreciate the strength of feeling which remains in relation to this incident, which is why we committed to conducting a diligent and thorough investigation to determine whether any criminal offences had taken place in relation to the actions taken by Surrey Police on the night.
“This involved gathering substantial amounts of video evidence, as well as speaking to witnesses, and animal welfare specialists to help inform the SIOs decision making. After investigating for five months, the SIO found that while there is necessary organisational learning in relation to how we handle loose livestock, no criminal offences were made out and therefore no further action should be taken against those who were involved.
“This determination was supported by the Head of Professional Standards for Surrey Police who subsequently reviewed whether there was any potential misconduct. They determined a need for individual learning, but that no further action is taken in relation to misconduct. The driver of the vehicle will return to frontline duties in due course.
“This incident has highlighted several issues in relation to how the police respond to a loose livestock incident and therefore, as a Force, we want to do what we can to reduce the possibility of any event like this happening again, not just in Surrey but anywhere in the country. We have reviewed the recommendations made by the SIO and experts in this area, and will be working to address these promptly, sharing any best practice with Forces across the UK."
The cow, Beau Lucy, is well and remains at the farm with her herd.
“We have already made changes to our protocol for loose livestock. These changes were developed in partnership with a new national advice working group, which we established following the incident, to seek guidance from experts including the British Animal Rescue and Trauma Care Association, British Cattle Veterinary Association, National Farmers Union, and the National Rural Crime Unit. I am grateful to them for their support and guidance.”
Our revised protocol now ensures that in the event of a loose livestock incident, our specialist roads policing team will be deployed to support road and public safety and that early contact is made with Surrey Fire and Rescue Service to utilise their capability and expertise. ?This protocol will be supported by guidance and training to assist the decision making of those involved in any possible future livestock incidents.
Richard-D said:
Just heard on the radio that the officer was about to return to work. I don't think that he made the best decision in ramming it with a car but it's nuts that he's been unable to work for all this time. I'm not surprised we're short of police officers if that's the norm.
It's much the norm in most companies/organisations !!
Richard-D said:
Just heard on the radio that the officer was about to return to work. I don't think that he made the best decision in ramming it with a car but it's nuts that he's been unable to work for all this time. I'm not surprised we're short of police officers if that's the norm.
You've only got to read some of the replies in this thread to see how people want blood, and the officer sacked, which is why they have to investigate it.The Gauge said:
Richard-D said:
Just heard on the radio that the officer was about to return to work. I don't think that he made the best decision in ramming it with a car but it's nuts that he's been unable to work for all this time. I'm not surprised we're short of police officers if that's the norm.
You've only got to read some of the replies in this thread to see how people want blood, and the officer sacked, which is why they have to investigate it.If we stopped everything because people ranted on the internet I don't think it would be possible to even exist
Surprised at the flippant comments here, given the high-stakes nature of the matter. One assumes, however, that the outcome was appropriate; the officer involved will have received a leathering from his sergeant, which is probably all that was necessary in the circumstances, especially if the man was left suitably cowed. Does now rather seem as if the press are now milking the story at the policeman's expense. Satisfies the rump of human-interest story readers, though.
Missy Charm said:
Surprised at the flippant comments here, given the high-stakes nature of the matter. One assumes, however, that the outcome was appropriate; the officer involved will have received a leathering from his sergeant, which is probably all that was necessary in the circumstances, especially if the man was left suitably cowed. Does now rather seem as if the press are now milking the story at the policeman's expense. Satisfies the rump of human-interest story readers, though.
Well done….I very nearly bit at the first line!Caddyshack said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
Caddyshack said:
I expect the calf has been eaten by now
Nah, it's alive in the farm. But will probably become one of these celebrity cows in an animal welfare thingy. ANYWAY this gentleman bought these calves.
These calves, normally fed milk sucked anything in front of them. Gates, baler twine, each other, your fingers.
EXCEPT this "gentleman" thought he could benefit from this. The Sucking!!!
Eventually he was found out, arrested and prosecuted.
The calves were taken in by a local animal sanctuary and lived as (bullocks) into their 20s.
These calves did the gobbling!!!
Richard-D said:
The Gauge said:
Richard-D said:
Just heard on the radio that the officer was about to return to work. I don't think that he made the best decision in ramming it with a car but it's nuts that he's been unable to work for all this time. I'm not surprised we're short of police officers if that's the norm.
You've only got to read some of the replies in this thread to see how people want blood, and the officer sacked, which is why they have to investigate it.If we stopped everything because people ranted on the internet I don't think it would be possible to even exist
As for allowing him to sit on his arse - imagine if the outcome was that he had driven dangerously yet he had been allowed to carry on driving police cars responding to emergencies whilst the investigation took place, had he had an accident with someone injured then there would be public outcry demanding to know why he was allowed to carry on driving during the investigation into him!!!
loskie said:
Caddyshack said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
Caddyshack said:
I expect the calf has been eaten by now
Nah, it's alive in the farm. But will probably become one of these celebrity cows in an animal welfare thingy. ANYWAY this gentleman bought these calves.
These calves, normally fed milk sucked anything in front of them. Gates, baler twine, each other, your fingers.
EXCEPT this "gentleman" thought he could benefit from this. The Sucking!!!
Eventually he was found out, arrested and prosecuted.
The calves were taken in by a local animal sanctuary and lived as (bullocks) into their 20s.
These calves did the gobbling!!!
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