You Need Hi-Viz/Triangle in France or face FINE
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I am sorry.. it in FRENCH language. I cannot help it if it apply to foreign country - but if you travel there.. intend to travel there ..
you need to know
http://www.france-info.com/spip.php?article191721&...
http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2008/10/01/478705-...
I summarise in English. I put up the French so that you can perhaps see where I resource the information.
I not make stuff up. I do source or have ground to support opinions after all. 
if in France. (It already exist in Spain.. Portugal. Germans foam if no First Aid kit. )
FIne = 135€
This bit of the law - icing on cake though
They will only pay 22 € if they agree to pay promptly.
Remember .. when EU sneeze.. it become UK law under directive in due course
But here an anomaly
There also exist some confusion in the wording of the law.
BE CAREFUL
The law as I understand its wording read that ONLY the driver need wear the gilet.
Gendarme may try to fleece for not providing for each passenger in car.
This post important to all who intend to drive in France from today.
They are targetting Brits who will be unaware of this - per the AA/RAC. BOF Alors!
Be CAREFUL in France. DO Homework on laws before travel.
you need to know
http://www.france-info.com/spip.php?article191721&...
http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2008/10/01/478705-...
I summarise in English. I put up the French so that you can perhaps see where I resource the information.
I not make stuff up. I do source or have ground to support opinions after all. article said:
Gilet jaune, triangle rouge: gare à l'amende
Route. Les automobilistes risquent dès aujourd'hui 135 € d'amende s'ils n'ont pas leur gilet réfléchissant et le triangle de présignalisation.
It mean you face ON SPOT fine for not having a hi-viz gilet or hazard kit in car. Route. Les automobilistes risquent dès aujourd'hui 135 € d'amende s'ils n'ont pas leur gilet réfléchissant et le triangle de présignalisation.
if in France. (It already exist in Spain.. Portugal. Germans foam if no First Aid kit. )FIne = 135€
article said:
À partir d'aujourd'hui, chaque automobiliste devra avoir dans son véhicule un gilet jaune auto réfléchissant et un triangle de présignalisation. C'est la loi qui l'exige. Et si cet équipement fait défaut la maréchaussée peut vous administrer une amende de 135 €, ramenée à 90 € si elle est payée sur place ou dans les trois jours.
You pay less .. 90€ if you pays up within 3 days of being hit by gendarme. This bit of the law - icing on cake though
article said:
Les cyclistes qui circulent hors de la ville, la nuit, ou dans de mauvaises conditions météo devront quant à eux revêtir leur gilet sous peine de recevoir 35 € d'amende (22 € si elle est réglée dans les deux semaines).
CYCLISTS will be fined 35€ if not wearing hi-viz in bad weather or in rural areas or at night. They will only pay 22 € if they agree to pay promptly. Remember .. when EU sneeze.. it become UK law under directive in due course
But here an anomaly
article said:
Bizarrement, les motards et scooters n'ont aucune obligation particulière, même si le port du gilet est recommandé.
Bikers/scooter riders do not have to wear one.There also exist some confusion in the wording of the law.
BE CAREFUL
The law as I understand its wording read that ONLY the driver need wear the gilet.
Gendarme may try to fleece for not providing for each passenger in car.
This post important to all who intend to drive in France from today.
They are targetting Brits who will be unaware of this - per the AA/RAC. BOF Alors!
Be CAREFUL in France. DO Homework on laws before travel.
True. It become law on continent.
It will be law here soon. It usually ist.
I do not know why I roll eyes. I always have had emergency kit in car und dressed like the fairy queen on top of Christmas tree when on bicycle ..
I wear fishnet stockings when I ride bicycle. I made a gilet/skort outfit out of a lurex glittery old cocktail dress.. so it sparkle I wear hi-viz gilet too. Some folk now think I am an unmarked "stealthmobile" 
It will be law here soon. It usually ist.
I do not know why I roll eyes. I always have had emergency kit in car und dressed like the fairy queen on top of Christmas tree when on bicycle ..
I wear fishnet stockings when I ride bicycle. I made a gilet/skort outfit out of a lurex glittery old cocktail dress.. so it sparkle
I wear hi-viz gilet too. Some folk now think I am an unmarked "stealthmobile" 
a boardman said:
I also belive that it has to be in reach from the drivers seat and not in the boot etc...
You believe right 
It has to be in the saloon.
We have had reports of police stopping UK drivers as they leave ferry ports in Northern France so far.
Be careful. French are not very good at "discretion" with those who not speaky lingo
Same all over most of Europe. Although it is for ALL the passengers in most countries. German coaches now carrying a vest for each seat.
Also daytime running lights in Austria, past year.
Two pairs glasses in Spain.
First aid kits - although no direction of contents, mine has a tinny, ibruprofen and plasters.
It tells you all this on the boats, at the chunnel, when you book tickets, when you take Euro breakdown cover.
It ain't hard to get it right......
Also daytime running lights in Austria, past year.
Two pairs glasses in Spain.
First aid kits - although no direction of contents, mine has a tinny, ibruprofen and plasters.
It tells you all this on the boats, at the chunnel, when you book tickets, when you take Euro breakdown cover.
It ain't hard to get it right......
To cover all bases youll need: first aid kit, fire extinguisher, high visibility jacket, hazard warning triangle, bulb kit.
I stowed my fire extinguisher in the boot, but ze Germans seemed to appreciate that at 9 litres, it was a little too large for the footwell (and agreed that whilst it might take a little longer to get to, itd do a lot more good than a <1kg powder extinguisher). They were flummoxed by the yellow flag though...
I stowed my fire extinguisher in the boot, but ze Germans seemed to appreciate that at 9 litres, it was a little too large for the footwell (and agreed that whilst it might take a little longer to get to, itd do a lot more good than a <1kg powder extinguisher). They were flummoxed by the yellow flag though...
WildCat said:
a boardman said:
I also belive that it has to be in reach from the drivers seat and not in the boot etc...
You believe right It has to be in the saloon.
These unaccountable scum-sucking tyrants get worse by the day.
Isn't there some big button we can press to switch on a giant lightning bolt and zap these pricks? I'll pay the rubbish collection fees.
GC8 said:
To cover all bases youll need: first aid kit, fire extinguisher, high visibility jacket, hazard warning triangle, bulb kit.
I stowed my fire extinguisher in the boot, but ze Germans seemed to appreciate that at 9 litres, it was a little too large for the footwell (and agreed that whilst it might take a little longer to get to, itd do a lot more good than a <1kg powder extinguisher). They were flummoxed by the yellow flag though...
why?I stowed my fire extinguisher in the boot, but ze Germans seemed to appreciate that at 9 litres, it was a little too large for the footwell (and agreed that whilst it might take a little longer to get to, itd do a lot more good than a <1kg powder extinguisher). They were flummoxed by the yellow flag though...
clabcon said:
GC8 said:
To cover all bases youll need: first aid kit, fire extinguisher, high visibility jacket, hazard warning triangle, bulb kit.
I stowed my fire extinguisher in the boot, but ze Germans seemed to appreciate that at 9 litres, it was a little too large for the footwell (and agreed that whilst it might take a little longer to get to, it'd do a lot more good than a <1kg powder extinguisher). They were flummoxed by the yellow flag though...
why?I stowed my fire extinguisher in the boot, but ze Germans seemed to appreciate that at 9 litres, it was a little too large for the footwell (and agreed that whilst it might take a little longer to get to, it'd do a lot more good than a <1kg powder extinguisher). They were flummoxed by the yellow flag though...
The usual small car extinguishers are useless in a vehicle engine fire! Their only benefit is if somebody has dropped their fag down the side of the upholstery!
As far as I am aware, the gilet etc. can be in the boot if you can access the boot from inside the cabin by lowering the seat back - but of course, is more convenient in the saloon where it can be employed as soon as you step out the car if you are the only occupant!
Some French vehicle insurance companies (AXXA) are handing out gilets to customers (with their brand printed on of course) and they are cheap enough in supermarkets - usually €2.50 - €5.
Maybe Admiral should do one with a parrot fastened to the shoulder!
I meant the yellow flag, not the extinguisher. I was getting totally muddled and thought you was a marshall hence the flag and that it was a track car with a extinguisher system setup in the boot.
I just spoke to a friend who said that at 9 litres its probably a foam extinguisher and should be up to the job if tackled before the fuel tank goes up.
I just spoke to a friend who said that at 9 litres its probably a foam extinguisher and should be up to the job if tackled before the fuel tank goes up.
google said:
http://www.france-info.com/spip.php?article191721&...
The hunt is open yellow vests
France Info - Hier, 06:00 France Info - Yesterday, 06:00
After three months of teaching and recall the law, the police have from today to verbalize record of motorists who have not purchased the fluorescent jacket and the triangle pre-signaling ...
The fluorescent vest, mostly yellow, and red triangle signs are pre-compulsory in all vehicles with the exception of the two-wheel since 1 July. The Minister of Ecology, responsible for road safety, however, had granted a delay so that all motorists buy "in the best conditions".
This grace period has expired. The sanctions come into force today.
What the law says. A retro-reflective vest complies with existing regulations (EC stamped), must be worn by the driver before he leaves his car stopped on the roadway or its vicinity, following a decision of emergency.
As for the triangle pre-signaling (E marking 27R), the driver must place it on the road, when it comes out of the vehicle at a distance of 30 meters from the obstacle to report. The illumination of hazard warning is also mandatory.
The vest should be at your hands in the cockpit, but does nothing to raise ostentatious manner on the seat (!) And even less to wear while driving, while the triangle can be found in the trunk.
Well if that comedy translation (gotta love Google language services) is right, only the driver needs one, but it does need to be in the car. I guess stuffed under the drivers seat.The hunt is open yellow vests
France Info - Hier, 06:00 France Info - Yesterday, 06:00
After three months of teaching and recall the law, the police have from today to verbalize record of motorists who have not purchased the fluorescent jacket and the triangle pre-signaling ...
The fluorescent vest, mostly yellow, and red triangle signs are pre-compulsory in all vehicles with the exception of the two-wheel since 1 July. The Minister of Ecology, responsible for road safety, however, had granted a delay so that all motorists buy "in the best conditions".
This grace period has expired. The sanctions come into force today.
What the law says. A retro-reflective vest complies with existing regulations (EC stamped), must be worn by the driver before he leaves his car stopped on the roadway or its vicinity, following a decision of emergency.
As for the triangle pre-signaling (E marking 27R), the driver must place it on the road, when it comes out of the vehicle at a distance of 30 meters from the obstacle to report. The illumination of hazard warning is also mandatory.
The vest should be at your hands in the cockpit, but does nothing to raise ostentatious manner on the seat (!) And even less to wear while driving, while the triangle can be found in the trunk.
But it then goes on to say:
google said:
Cyclists, drivers and passengers must wear the vest to travel at night whenever they are outside built-up areas, and even days when visibility is poor. Failing that, they face a ticket for 35 euros.
In contrast, motorcycles, mopeds, sidecars and quads are so far not subject to this new regulation.
Which seems to suggest everyone in the car has to wear it when travelling at night round country roads?! WTF?!In contrast, motorcycles, mopeds, sidecars and quads are so far not subject to this new regulation.
Edited by timskipper on Thursday 2nd October 07:00
timskipper said:
google said:
http://www.france-info.com/spip.php?article191721&...
The hunt is open yellow vests
France Info - Hier, 06:00 France Info - Yesterday, 06:00
After three months of teaching and recall the law, the police have from today to verbalize record of motorists who have not purchased the fluorescent jacket and the triangle pre-signaling ...
The fluorescent vest, mostly yellow, and red triangle signs are pre-compulsory in all vehicles with the exception of the two-wheel since 1 July. The Minister of Ecology, responsible for road safety, however, had granted a delay so that all motorists buy "in the best conditions".
This grace period has expired. The sanctions come into force today.
What the law says. A retro-reflective vest complies with existing regulations (EC stamped), must be worn by the driver before he leaves his car stopped on the roadway or its vicinity, following a decision of emergency.
As for the triangle pre-signaling (E marking 27R), the driver must place it on the road, when it comes out of the vehicle at a distance of 30 meters from the obstacle to report. The illumination of hazard warning is also mandatory.
The vest should be at your hands in the cockpit, but does nothing to raise ostentatious manner on the seat (!) And even less to wear while driving, while the triangle can be found in the trunk.
Well if that comedy translation (gotta love Google language services) is right, only the driver needs one, but it does need to be in the car. I guess stuffed under the drivers seat.The hunt is open yellow vests
France Info - Hier, 06:00 France Info - Yesterday, 06:00
After three months of teaching and recall the law, the police have from today to verbalize record of motorists who have not purchased the fluorescent jacket and the triangle pre-signaling ...
The fluorescent vest, mostly yellow, and red triangle signs are pre-compulsory in all vehicles with the exception of the two-wheel since 1 July. The Minister of Ecology, responsible for road safety, however, had granted a delay so that all motorists buy "in the best conditions".
This grace period has expired. The sanctions come into force today.
What the law says. A retro-reflective vest complies with existing regulations (EC stamped), must be worn by the driver before he leaves his car stopped on the roadway or its vicinity, following a decision of emergency.
As for the triangle pre-signaling (E marking 27R), the driver must place it on the road, when it comes out of the vehicle at a distance of 30 meters from the obstacle to report. The illumination of hazard warning is also mandatory.
The vest should be at your hands in the cockpit, but does nothing to raise ostentatious manner on the seat (!) And even less to wear while driving, while the triangle can be found in the trunk.
But it then goes on to say:
google said:
Cyclists, drivers and passengers must wear the vest to travel at night whenever they are outside built-up areas, and even days when visibility is poor. Failing that, they face a ticket for 35 euros.
In contrast, motorcycles, mopeds, sidecars and quads are so far not subject to this new regulation.
Which seems to suggest everyone in the car has to wear it when travelling at night round country roads?! WTF?!In contrast, motorcycles, mopeds, sidecars and quads are so far not subject to this new regulation.
Edited by timskipper on Thursday 2nd October 07:00
It always amuse me that folk understand the "tranlation" - yet find my spelling mistakes "impossible to understand" The way it read ist almost "erotic" "Ooooh la la!" But seriously - there ist a lot of concern over the wording of this law as it not clear if each person in the car need a gilet or just the driver. There are fears amongst the French motor enthusiasts that this a licence to "fine folks"
Went through all this for out TVRCC trip to Lemans last year....seems a bit OTT but not as stated not hard to follow.
Tell you what amuses me though....
Wife has a Renault Megane...its french...weve all seen the articles that describe how the front bumper has to come off to replace the headlamp bulb and hence means a trip to the dealer....makes a bit of a mockery of the frenchies insisting that ''you must carry a spare bulb kit in the car'' eh...
Tell you what amuses me though....
Wife has a Renault Megane...its french...weve all seen the articles that describe how the front bumper has to come off to replace the headlamp bulb and hence means a trip to the dealer....makes a bit of a mockery of the frenchies insisting that ''you must carry a spare bulb kit in the car'' eh...
clabcon said:
GC8 said:
To cover all bases youll need: first aid kit, fire extinguisher, high visibility jacket, hazard warning triangle, bulb kit.
I stowed my fire extinguisher in the boot, but ze Germans seemed to appreciate that at 9 litres, it was a little too large for the footwell (and agreed that whilst it might take a little longer to get to, itd do a lot more good than a <1kg powder extinguisher). They were flummoxed by the yellow flag though...
why?I stowed my fire extinguisher in the boot, but ze Germans seemed to appreciate that at 9 litres, it was a little too large for the footwell (and agreed that whilst it might take a little longer to get to, itd do a lot more good than a <1kg powder extinguisher). They were flummoxed by the yellow flag though...
clabcon said:
I meant the yellow flag, not the extinguisher. I was getting totally muddled and thought you was a marshall hence the flag and that it was a track car with a extinguisher system setup in the boot.
I just spoke to a friend who said that at 9 litres its probably a foam extinguisher and should be up to the job if tackled before the fuel tank goes up.
Now I see this..... The yellow flag was for the Nurburgring: much better than running back down the road with a high-vis gilet unsure whether to put it on or wave it about I just spoke to a friend who said that at 9 litres its probably a foam extinguisher and should be up to the job if tackled before the fuel tank goes up.
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