No Motor Vehicles Except for Access Sign?

[screem]

As far as motoring law is concerned Can someone please define "access"

And the penalty for disobeying the sign. points and/or fine?

[saaby93]

Much argument not too far away when a road through a village attracted these signs each end. All to stop traffic avoiding a newly installed set of traffic lights on the main road.
There were reumours of police waiting for whoever drove straight through

If every village asked for and got this, what would happen to the road network

[Don]

That be a local road for local people.

There's one of these round our way. I access it any time I want as it's a public road that I paid for.

In theory you aren't supposed to use it unless you are visiting an address along it. Proving or disproving this in any meaningful sense is going to be very, very hard even if it is enforceable.

[rs1952]

screem said:

As far as motoring law is concerned Can someone please define "access"

To properties adjoining the road in question. So you can use it if you live there yourself or are visiting a person or a business on that road.

Of course, the likelihood of actually getting caught using it as a through route (unless there is a specific enforcement going on) is virtually nil

[Don]

rs1952 said:

screem said:

As far as motoring law is concerned Can someone please define "access"

To properties adjoining the road in question. So you can use it if you live there yourself or are visiting a person or a business on that road.

Of course, the likelihood of actually getting caught using it as a through route (unless there is a specific enforcement going on) is virtually nil

And circumventable by simply pausing, looking at someone's front door, deciding they aren't in and continuing your journey.

[herewego]

A lot of road rules wouldn't be needed if it wasn't for selfish behaviour.

[saaby93]

herewego said:

A lot of road rules wouldn't be needed if it wasn't for selfish behaviour.

Since the demise of toll houses, isnt everyone allowed to use any public road to get access to anywhere?

Access to what - whatever's out the other end

Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 27th February 14:52

[herewego]

saaby93 said:

herewego said:

A lot of road rules wouldn't be needed if it wasn't for selfish behaviour.

Since the demise of toll houses, isnt everyone allowed to use any public road to get access to anywhere?

Access to what - whatever's out the other end

Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 27th February 14:52

You know perfectly well it's saying no thank you to rat runners.

[Funk]

herewego said:

saaby93 said:

herewego said:

A lot of road rules wouldn't be needed if it wasn't for selfish behaviour.

Since the demise of toll houses, isnt everyone allowed to use any public road to get access to anywhere?

Access to what - whatever's out the other end

Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 27th February 14:52

You know perfectly well it's saying no thank you to rat runners.

Then the problem isn't the rat-runners, it's that the road network in the surrounding area isn't up to spec. The answer is to improve the rest, not curtail use of what's already there (which would include making conditions on the roads the 'rat-runners' are trying to avoid even worse).

[philthy]

A quick heads up for the OP, do you realise the picture you posted has a camera in it?
Expect a knock from the anti terrorist unit any time now......

[Don]

Funk said:

Then the problem isn't the rat-runners, it's that the road network in the surrounding area isn't up to spec. The answer is to improve the rest, not curtail use of what's already there (which would include making conditions on the roads the 'rat-runners' are trying to avoid even worse).

This.

If a "rat run" exists people will find it. Then they will use it. They've paid road tax and they are entitled to do so.

Putting up a sign saying, effectively, "Please don't use this road you have bought and paid for" is going to be on a hiding to nothing - even if one can sympathise with people living in the locality.

If you want to stop a more convenient route being used you either have to provide an EVEN MORE convenient route - or stop it being a route altogether. If neither is possible or acceptable then putting up a sign is pointless.

Pointless in the same way as yelling at the tide in the hope it won't come in.

[saaby93]

At what point is a road deemed to be a rat run rather than as a busy road going from X to Y?
Is it when its reclassified from an A road to B road or some other definition?

[tvrgit]

Definitions:

If you live on a busy road - it's a rat run.

If you don't, but want to use it - it's not.

There you go, simple as that.

[screem]

tvrgit said:

Definitions:

If you live on a busy road - it's a rat run.

If you don't, but want to use it - it's not.

There you go, simple as that.

I like your thinking, but i also think from a legal/bib perspective its not quite that simple,

I found another forum that mentioned if you are Proven to have contravened this sign it is a fine but no points? i am struggling to find any more info on google? Anybody else have any joy?

[Landshark]

Stupid sign......."yes officer, i just need to access the other end of this road and the sign says i'am allowed to"

[saaby93]

screem said:

I like your thinking, but i also think from a legal/bib perspective its not quite that simple,

I found another forum that mentioned if you are Proven to have contravened this sign it is a fine but no points? i am struggling to find any more info on google? Anybody else have any joy?

From what I remember something was being issued - it might well be an s59? Do it twice and your car's seized?

[tvrgit]

screem said:

tvrgit said:

Definitions:

If you live on a busy road - it's a rat run.

If you don't, but want to use it - it's not.

There you go, simple as that.

I like your thinking, but i also think from a legal/bib perspective its not quite that simple,

I found another forum that mentioned if you are Proven to have contravened this sign it is a fine but no points? i am struggling to find any more info on google? Anybody else have any joy?

On a more serious note, when I used to do TROs many years ago, we used to work closely with the local constabulary, and the CC wouldn't support Orders which were impossible to enforce. These "except for access" things were a big no-no at that time - anybody with half a brain could think of an excuse for being there.

We just didn't do them, unless there were also barriers (for example for pedestrianisition schemes) - the signs on their own were useless.

[herewego]

It'll be contravening a no entry which I think would be 3 points and £60 fpn.

[Funk]

I always thought the top sign meant 'Watch out for Evel Knievel'

[tvrgit]

herewego said:

It'll be contravening a no entry which I think would be 3 points and £60 fpn.

No, it's a different sign so the penalty may be different (I don't know if it is, but it might be). No entry means no entry - that sign with the plate means entry is allowed "except for access". Obvious, I know, but the penalty for one may not necessarily be the same as the penalty for the other.