Nasty attack on female motorist by cyclist.

Nasty attack on female motorist by cyclist.

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Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Noger said:
Pothole said:
here have I stated that the violence (if indeed there was any) was justifiable? It's clearly not as black and white as everyone would like it to be, and I'll bet you anything she did not meekly get out of the car and quietly inquire if the cyclist was OK. Let's see if subsequent reporting of the story, if there is any, gives us any more information, shall we?
Well, she ended up in A&E, that takes some violence. And it was rush hour near Gogaburn, which is pretty busy, so there must have been witnesses, so "the other side" is less than 50%.
A&Es all over the country are, even as we sit behind our screens (or is that in front of?) full of idiots with nothing better to do than whinge about an owee they could easily treat at home.

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Regiment said:
Are you saying you wouldn't do it if a large, powerfully built 19stone woman had run you off the road, skidded to a halt, launched herself out of the vehicle and straight at you, demanding you cough up for her wing marry that slapped you on your arse as she drive by far too close?
Yes. When did violence ever solve anything?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Well I was going to be the voice of impartiality, then I read:

"He is described as being white, between 30 to 35 years old, and of athletic build. He was wearing dark or purple leggings with neon flashes on the side, a black and grey helmet, and he was riding what has been described as a hybrid-type bike."

Hang him.
Purple leggings...? Yes, hang him...

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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davepoth said:
Regiment said:
Are you saying you wouldn't do it if a large, powerfully built 19stone woman had run you off the road, skidded to a halt, launched herself out of the vehicle and straight at you, demanding you cough up for her wing marry that slapped you on your arse as she drive by far too close?
Yes. When did violence ever solve anything?
I think in that specific scenario it may prevent you from getting slapped by a munter.

Also, see Nagasaki/Hiroshima

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Meoricin said:
Why is it relevant that he happened to be cycling before the assault? Trying to stir up arguments by creating these 'opposing groups' such as motorists/cyclists/bikers is pathetic. People are people, their mode of transport doesn't define their character.
Why do you want to hide his bicycling status..?

Presumably you don't want it known that she was driving a Golf..?

Don't think the report would work if you did that...



gareth.e

2,071 posts

188 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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sounds more like he slapped her round the head with a cupped palm

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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R3v 1 said:
End of day this guy could have been green driving a Nissian Micra convertable... It really doesn't matter.
Oh, god, no...not with purple leggings

singlecoil

33,311 posts

245 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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swerni said:
singlecoil said:
I expect some cyclists will be along shortly to say it was the woman's fault.
nothing constructive to say then rolleyes
Nor have you apparently, but at least what I said was humourous.

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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singlecoil said:
swerni said:
singlecoil said:
I expect some cyclists will be along shortly to say it was the woman's fault.
nothing constructive to say then rolleyes
Nor have you apparently, but at least what I said was humourous.
No, not really.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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davepoth said:
Regiment said:
Are you saying you wouldn't do it if a large, powerfully built 19stone woman had run you off the road, skidded to a halt, launched herself out of the vehicle and straight at you, demanding you cough up for her wing marry that slapped you on your arse as she drive by far too close?
Yes. When did violence ever solve anything?
It fixed Hitler...

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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swerni said:
singlecoil said:
I expect some cyclists will be along shortly to say it was the woman's fault.
nothing constructive to say then rolleyes
Yes, he made an accurate forecast...hehe

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Noger said:
Why does it matter ? It is still ABH.
I wonder if it might even cross the threshold into GBH?!?!? (though I am aware that there has been watering down of the matters which constitute GBH, at least there was when I had access to Blackstones)

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Pothole said:
singlecoil said:
swerni said:
singlecoil said:
I expect some cyclists will be along shortly to say it was the woman's fault.
nothing constructive to say then rolleyes
Nor have you apparently, but at least what I said was humourous.
No, not really.
On balance, I'd say yes...smile

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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The offences Against the Person Act 1861, s. 47 States:

Whosoever shall be convicted... of any assault occasioning actual bodily harm shall be liable..... to [imprisonment] ...



Offence - Wounding or Inflicting Grevious Bodily Harm - Offences against the person Act 1861, s. 20

The offences Against the Person Act 1861, s. 20 States:

Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously wound or inflict any grevious bodily harm upon any other person, either with or without any weapon or instrument, shall be guilty of [an offence] ...




Offence - Wounding or Inflicting Grevious Bodily Harm with Intent - Offences against the person Act 1861, s. 18


The offences Against the Person Act 1861, s. 18 States:

Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously by any means whatsoever wound or cause any grevious bodily harm to any person with intent to do some grevious bodily harm to any person, or with intent to resist or prevent the lawful apprehension or detainer of any person, shall be guilty of [an offence] ...



Examples of s. 47

loss or breaking of teeth
temporary loss of sensory functions
extensive or multiple bruising
minor fractures and cuts requiring stitches
psychiatric injury going beyond fear, distress or panic


Examples of s20

injury resulting in some permanent disability or visible disfigurement
broken or displaced limbs or bones
injuries requiring blood transfusion or lenghty treatment

S18, being the same as s20, but the "intent" making it more serious

so not GBH then

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Pothole said:
so not GBH then
So that's all right, then. What a relief...

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

233 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Jasandjules said:
Really?

I've been very nearly "run over" by a woman - had I not jumped over the bonnet I'd have been a lot worse off - yet I still didn't punch her - I did call her a few choice words, and in fact a couple came over to me and said they were surprised I just shouted at her given what she'd just done.

But you don't hit a woman. It's as simple as that to me.
What if said woman came screaming up to you and you felt threatened? fk that, I'd hit anyone to defend myself and I don't doubt some will construe my reply as being misogynistic but it couldn't be further from the truth.

I've never felt the need to hit anyone while using the roads but I don't care if I'm attacked by a man or woman, I'm going to fight back as best I can.

Edited by Parrot of Doom on Sunday 27th March 20:28

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Pothole said:
think in that specific scenario it may prevent you from getting slapped by a munter.

Also, see Nagasaki/Hiroshima
Or, if I wasn't sprawled on the pavement with broken limbs, I could just ride off.

I'll see you Nagasaki/Hiroshima and raise you Pearl Harbor. If Japan hadn't kicked off, there wouldn't have been Nagasaki/Hiroshima.

Noger

7,117 posts

248 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Pothole said:
Noger said:
Pothole said:
how hard would that have to be, Doctor?

Can we guarantee it was a punch and not a slap? I would have thought (with no medical training whatsoever so just off the top of my head) that a cupped hand might be more likely to perforate the drum than a closed fist...
Why does it matter ? It is still ABH.
it matters simply because the point was made that it must have been hard to perforate the ear drum. For all we know the silly cow could have the most sensitive drums known to medical science.
Why was she a "silly cow" ?

I thought we didn't know everything yet, and yet you are blaming her for everything.

Jesus,I thought school holidays were over rolleyes





Noger

7,117 posts

248 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Parrot of Doom said:
I'd hit anyone to defend myself
And, by what you said, someone who was just shouting at you. How loud, exactly, do they have to be shouting before you think "I think I may well deck them now" regardless of the reality of the physical threat ?

I am thinking, maybe, you would do it if someone "looked at you funny" too, eh ? Do you go for the ear shot as well ? Or just "teeth down the back of the throat" method ?

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

233 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Noger said:
Parrot of Doom said:
I'd hit anyone to defend myself
And, by what you said, someone who was just shouting at you. How loud, exactly, do they have to be shouting before you think "I think I may well deck them now" regardless of the reality of the physical threat ?

I am thinking, maybe, you would do it if someone "looked at you funny" too, eh ? Do you go for the ear shot as well ? Or just "teeth down the back of the throat" method ?
I could have worded it better. I've never hit anyone while on the roads (haven't been in a fight for 20 years tbh) but if attacked, no matter what sex, I'll fight back.

I didn't mean to suggest that I go around looking for people to hit, that couldn't be further from the truth.