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Accepting that when the piston is going up and down it is going less than (say) 50mph - that doesn't mean that is the maximum piston speed (in these circumstances) is 50 mph. If (at some point) the piston has ALREADY created a hole in the block and liner, the gudgeon pin will be 1/2 of the stroke length PLUS the length of the conrod from the crankshaft axis and thus will be travelling at well above 50mph - probably twice that speed. If the piston broke company with conrod at 100mph and went through an already created hole in the block how far would it travel?
Of course all of that is going to be extremely rare - but we are talking about an event that is quite exceptional. I am reluctant to say it's impossible.
Of course all of that is going to be extremely rare - but we are talking about an event that is quite exceptional. I am reluctant to say it's impossible.
OT now, but I think we've got bored with taking the p out of UF for his daft urban legend motorsport story, so...
I find that going to school in the 70's I've ended up being very confused about units, imperial and metric. I'm happy in inches and cm at the same time, yds/m, lb/kg/g, litres/gallons (UK and US). But I'm not very good with speed in m/s. I can't really visualise what 4m/s is.
Hey ho!
Bert
I find that going to school in the 70's I've ended up being very confused about units, imperial and metric. I'm happy in inches and cm at the same time, yds/m, lb/kg/g, litres/gallons (UK and US). But I'm not very good with speed in m/s. I can't really visualise what 4m/s is.
Hey ho!
Bert
BertBert said:
OT now, but I think we've got bored with taking the p out of UF for his daft urban legend motorsport story, so...
I find that going to school in the 70's I've ended up being very confused about units, imperial and metric. I'm happy in inches and cm at the same time, yds/m, lb/kg/g, litres/gallons (UK and US). But I'm not very good with speed in m/s. I can't really visualise what 4m/s is.
Hey ho!
Bert
<<Yawn>>I find that going to school in the 70's I've ended up being very confused about units, imperial and metric. I'm happy in inches and cm at the same time, yds/m, lb/kg/g, litres/gallons (UK and US). But I'm not very good with speed in m/s. I can't really visualise what 4m/s is.
Hey ho!
Bert
Pillock! People have posted in response showing that "it's quite possible" and the maths shows it is as well.
Even without that, you are being fantastically arrogant if you think your personal opinion shows an actual event to be "impossible" because in your limited experience you've never seen it.
Ignorant, arrogant, and just plain silly.
I'm completely bored with such stupid responses myself.
Fortunately some people seem to have taken my post as it was intended.
Edited by unclefester on Friday 23 June 18:55
Lighten up dude! Stop insulting people and live a little!!
unclefester said:
<<Yawn>>
Pillock! People have posted in response showing that "it's quite possible" and the maths shows it is as well.
Even without that, you are beings fantastically arrogant if you think your personal opinion shows an actual event to be "impossible" because in your limited experience you've never seen it.
Ignorant, arrogant, and just plain silly.
I'm completely bored with such stupid responses myself.
Fortunately some people seem to have taken my post as it was intended.
Pillock! People have posted in response showing that "it's quite possible" and the maths shows it is as well.
Even without that, you are beings fantastically arrogant if you think your personal opinion shows an actual event to be "impossible" because in your limited experience you've never seen it.
Ignorant, arrogant, and just plain silly.
I'm completely bored with such stupid responses myself.
Fortunately some people seem to have taken my post as it was intended.
unclefester said:
BertBert said:
OT now, but I think we've got bored with taking the p out of UF for his daft urban legend motorsport story, so...
I find that going to school in the 70's I've ended up being very confused about units, imperial and metric. I'm happy in inches and cm at the same time, yds/m, lb/kg/g, litres/gallons (UK and US). But I'm not very good with speed in m/s. I can't really visualise what 4m/s is.
Hey ho!
Bert
<<Yawn>>I find that going to school in the 70's I've ended up being very confused about units, imperial and metric. I'm happy in inches and cm at the same time, yds/m, lb/kg/g, litres/gallons (UK and US). But I'm not very good with speed in m/s. I can't really visualise what 4m/s is.
Hey ho!
Bert
Pillock! People have posted in response showing that "it's quite possible" and the maths shows it is as well.
Even without that, you are beings fantastically arrogant if you think your personal opinion shows an actual event to be "impossible" because in your limited experience you've never seen it.
Ignorant, arrogant, and just plain silly.
I'm completely bored with such stupid responses myself.
Fortunately some people seem to have taken my post as it was intended.
Just accept you repeated an anecdote from somewhere and was taken in by it, its fine it happens to all of us occasionally.
'Insulting people'???
Seems to me several people on here have been throwing insults in my direction.... accusations of bulls
t, lies, fiction, exaggeration etc, 'proved' by several shallow theories about 'piston speed' etc which show a tendency to jump to an easy conclusion and a willingness to rubbish people who the poster has never met, rather than imagine for one moment that perhaps he isn't actually the world authority on engine blowups that he would like to imagine he is.
Oh and the 'science degree' comment slayed me. What exactly do you know about the science background of either me, or the person who's engine blew?
Opining, as if you are speaking an obvious, demonstrable truth, when in fact you are simply stating a personal belief, is a bad move on the internet.
Several people who responded have said similar 'piston passing through block' incidents have been seen, so it seems to me that the repetitive, juvenile attempts to turn this into a 'taking the piss thread' say more about the mental age of the posters, than the accuracy of my friend's memory of his blowup.
The standard of 'debate' from several of the posters gives the impression of an average age of around 13.
It seems wisdom, or even common sense, on PH is in inverse proportion to post-count.
Get a life? Who has the bigger post count? Who spends more time on the keyboard?
Don't let me keep you from posting more repetitive nonsense though....
Seems to me several people on here have been throwing insults in my direction.... accusations of bulls
t, lies, fiction, exaggeration etc, 'proved' by several shallow theories about 'piston speed' etc which show a tendency to jump to an easy conclusion and a willingness to rubbish people who the poster has never met, rather than imagine for one moment that perhaps he isn't actually the world authority on engine blowups that he would like to imagine he is.Oh and the 'science degree' comment slayed me. What exactly do you know about the science background of either me, or the person who's engine blew?
Opining, as if you are speaking an obvious, demonstrable truth, when in fact you are simply stating a personal belief, is a bad move on the internet.
Several people who responded have said similar 'piston passing through block' incidents have been seen, so it seems to me that the repetitive, juvenile attempts to turn this into a 'taking the piss thread' say more about the mental age of the posters, than the accuracy of my friend's memory of his blowup.
The standard of 'debate' from several of the posters gives the impression of an average age of around 13.
It seems wisdom, or even common sense, on PH is in inverse proportion to post-count.
Get a life? Who has the bigger post count? Who spends more time on the keyboard?
Don't let me keep you from posting more repetitive nonsense though....
As far as I can see you are fairly new on the Caterham PH forum and have had a fairly spectacular post rate over the last month. It's great to see new blood and enthusiasm to this forum. But you are dealing with well seasoned petrol heads and probably hundreds of years of collective Caterham experience. A little respect would help you to be accepted into the fold in a less painful manor. But no doubt you will drift off as fast as you came here, which is a shame as you will be the one missing out.
Edited by DCL on Friday 23 June 17:39
DCL, I fully understand your trying to make the peace, and calling for respect of seasoned petrolheads.....I'm one myself.
I was very well known on the 'Old Blatchat' where I apparently posted 'the funniest post', but I packed it in after the site was 'upgraded' (allegedly).
I also stopped my subs, so can't post there now, but for me the fun went out of the site years ago....and I, and a lot of others, stopped posting.
A great shame, it was a lot of fun 10 years ago.
I've posted thousands of times on Seloc. Just not much here.
I respect people based on their actions, not on postcount, and certainly not when they deliberately insult me.
I started the thread because I thought it was mildly interesting, and was jumped on, and accused of all manner of things from BS, exaggeration, deliberate retailing of untruths, fantasy, to 'being unscientific'.
Normally this sort of ad hominem attack is the defense of people who actually have no argument, or evidence for their position, and it's an admission of failure in debate.
As for Caterhams, I've had many, and competed in several of them, for the last 11 years.
The 'original source' who related this incident first hand is one of the most well-known people in the Caterham world.
But I protect my sources...
I was very well known on the 'Old Blatchat' where I apparently posted 'the funniest post', but I packed it in after the site was 'upgraded' (allegedly).
I also stopped my subs, so can't post there now, but for me the fun went out of the site years ago....and I, and a lot of others, stopped posting.
A great shame, it was a lot of fun 10 years ago.
I've posted thousands of times on Seloc. Just not much here.
I respect people based on their actions, not on postcount, and certainly not when they deliberately insult me.
I started the thread because I thought it was mildly interesting, and was jumped on, and accused of all manner of things from BS, exaggeration, deliberate retailing of untruths, fantasy, to 'being unscientific'.
Normally this sort of ad hominem attack is the defense of people who actually have no argument, or evidence for their position, and it's an admission of failure in debate.
As for Caterhams, I've had many, and competed in several of them, for the last 11 years.
The 'original source' who related this incident first hand is one of the most well-known people in the Caterham world.
But I protect my sources...
unclefester said:
'Insulting people'???
Oh and the 'science degree' comment slayed me. What exactly do you know about the science background of either me, or the person who's engine blew?
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I think the science degree comment was mine, and I should have made it clearer that it was directed towards the usual PH know-it-alls and not you.Oh and the 'science degree' comment slayed me. What exactly do you know about the science background of either me, or the person who's engine blew?
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